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a map is all you have to show against the poorest nation in the region to show your retarded kings accomplishments. How's Syria? I thought senile King was a strongman and a savior for Syria. Still waiting for the economic defeat and invasion of Qatar
 
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Saudi Arabia arrests two more women's rights activists: rights group
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DUBAI (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia has arrested two more women’s rights activists, the latest to be swept up in a government crackdown on activists, clerics and journalists, an international rights group said on Wednesday.

Samar Badawi of Saudi Arabia at a ceremony in Washington in 2012. REUTERS/File Photo
Human Rights Watch (HRW) said authorities arrested Samar Badawi and Nassima al-Sadah in the past two days.

More than a dozen women’s rights activists have been targeted since May. Most campaigned for the right to drive and an end to the kingdom’s male guardianship system, which requires women to obtain the consent of a male relative for major decisions.

The arrests are at odds with the progressive image the government has projected this year under Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

Government spokesmen did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the latest reports.

Badawi has received the United States’ International Women of Courage Award in 2012 for challenging the guardianship system, and was among the first women who signed a petition calling on the government to allow women to drive, vote and run in local elections.

Sadah, from the restive Shi’ite-majority Qatif province, has also campaigned to abolish the guardianship system and the right to drive.

“The arrests of Samar Badawi and Nassima al-Sadah signal that the Saudi authorities see any peaceful dissent, whether past or present, as a threat to their autocratic rule,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch, in a statement.

“Saudi authorities have targeted and harassed Badawi for years. In addition to her advocacy for women’s equality, she has campaigned energetically for both her former husband and her brother to be released from prison,” the statement added.

Badawi’s former husband is already in prison, serving a 15-year sentence for human rights activism, and her brother Raif Badawi, a prominent blogger, is serving a 10-year sentence for expressing controversial opinions online.

Saudi authorities have barred her from traveling abroad since 2014.Prince Mohammed has courted Western allies to support his economic reform plan, offering billions of dollars of arms sales and promising to fight radicalism in the kingdom. Hundreds of billions of dollars of investments were discussed during his trips to the United States and Europe.

In May, authorities arrested 10 women’s rights activists, including Eman al-Nafjan, Loujain al-Hathloul, Aziza al-Yousef, Aisha al-Manea, Ibrahim Modeimigh and Mohammed al-Rabea.

Officials said seven people had been arrested for suspicious contacts with foreign entities and offering financial support to “enemies overseas”, and that further arrests could be carried out as the investigation proceeded.

In June, the government ended a decades-old ban on women driving cars as part of a bid to diversify the economy away from oil and open up Saudis’ cloistered lifestyles.

Reporting By Aziz El Yaakoubi; Editing by Matthew Mpoke Bigg

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For those who think , KSA don't interfere in Pakistan affairs. Providing secured passage to criminal Nawaz. Now same family demand Nawaz to return over 1 billion dollar, which gave them to earn political mileage . Both Nawaz and Zardari nodoubt are curse on Pakistan.

WikiLeaks: The Saudis' Close but Strained Ties with Pakistan

With CIA drones buzzing over the mountains of Waziristan and billions of American dollars bankrolling Islamabad as Washington demands that more be done to fight the Taliban, it's hardly surprising that Pakistanis obsess about U.S. intervention. But documents from WikiLeaks' vast trove of U.S. diplomatic cables offer a timely reminder of the machinations of another key foreign player, perhaps even more influential: Saudi Arabia.

Some of the documents released last week describe increasingly strained ties between Pakistan and its long-standing Arab ally, with the Saudis particularly disgruntled by Pakistan's President, Asif Ali Zardari. According to a January 2009 cable, Saudi King Abdullah described Zardari as "the 'rotten head' that was infecting the whole body"; other cables suggest the Saudis would prefer Pakistan to lose its weak civilian leadership in favor of strong military rule. Saudi Arabia was a major backer of the military regime of General Zia ul-Haq, which seized power in 1977, embarked upon an Islamization campaign throughout Pakistan and was also a key U.S. ally.

(See "WikiLeaks' War on Secrecy: Truth's Consequences.")
But the concern of U.S. diplomats was not confined to Saudi Arabia's dim view of Pakistan's government. A December 2009 secret cable signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called Saudi Arabia "a critical source of terrorist funding." And that had a direct bearing on Pakistan, since it alleged that much of the financial backing for jihadist organizations in Pakistan continued to originate in Saudi Arabia, despite Riyadh's efforts to cut down on private donations to Sunni militant groups abroad.

The Saudis are long accustomed to having a significant role in Pakistan's affairs. A 2007 cable recounts a boast of the Saudi ambassador to the U.S., Adel al-Jubeir, who is reportedly a close confidant of King Abdullah: "We in Saudi Arabia are not observers in Pakistan, we are participants." The two countries have natural, enduring bonds: Saudi Arabia, an orthodox, monarchical state, is the custodian of Islam's holiest sites, while Pakistan was created as a state for Muslims. Over the years, Riyadh has invested billions of dollars of its oil wealth in Pakistan, while close to a million Pakistanis currently live and work in Saudi Arabia, their remittances home a vital source of income for Pakistan. Islamabad's Faisal Mosque, the biggest in the country, is named after a late Saudi monarch. "Pakistan is Saudi Arabia's No. 1 Muslim ally," says Arif Rafiq, head of Vizier Consulting, which advises on strategy in South Asia and the Middle East, and editor of the Pakistan Policy Blog. "The Saudis perceive in Pakistan a target population to influence and project its power upon, a set audience that may see it as the leading nation of the Muslim world."

(See the top 10 leaks.)
Analysts have long observed that conservative madrasahs set up across the country with Saudi backing have helped spread a puritanical and intolerant brand of Sunni Islam that helps fuel the militancy that plagues Pakistan today. But the leaked U.S. cables also allege that extremist groups operating on Pakistani soil, such as al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) "probably raise millions of dollars" each year in Saudi Arabia. An August 2009 cable points to a Saudi-based front company that LeT likely used to pool and move its money. Washington has urged the Saudi government to shut down its local sources of terrorist funding — and the leaked cables report positive steps in that direction — but Riyadh clearly lacks the means to totally turn off the tap.

But Pakistan's struggle with militancy has not altered Riyadh's low opinion of President Zardari, whose key political rival, the more religiously conservative Nawaz Sharif, spent eight years in exile in Saudi Arabia as a guest of the King. The cables chronicle Saudi complaints over Zardari's alleged corruption and incompetence but also suggest a pronounced sectarian bias on the part of the Saudis, who perceive Zardari to be a Shi'ite and therefore friendly with Iran, Saudi Arabia's nemesis. According to a U.S. cable issued soon after Zardari's election in 2008, Pakistani diplomats complained to their American counterparts of "a sharp reduction in Saudi financial assistance." One official is quoted as saying that the Saudis are simply "waiting for the Zardari government to fall."

While voicing support for Sharif, it seems the Saudis, according to the cables, wouldn't object to the military's resuming control. A February 2010 "scene setter" for a visit to Riyadh by Richard Holbrooke, Washington's special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, suggests Saudi nostalgia for the government of General Pervez Musharraf, whose near decade-long rule ended in 2008. "The tumultuous democratic process in Pakistan makes the Saudis nervous," says the document, "and they appear to be looking for 'another Musharraf': a strong, forceful leader they know they can trust."

(See "WikiLeaks Fuels Anti-U.S. Sentiment in Pakistan.")
Riyadh may well have come to see its best hope in Pakistan as the current army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani. A May 2009 cable relates a discussion between Holbrooke and a Saudi minister who lauds Kayani as "a decent man" and describes the Pakistani army — which has ruled Pakistan for long stretches of its six-decade history — as Riyadh's "winning horse" in the country. That's not surprising. In the 1970s and '80s, some 15,000 Pakistani soldiers were stationed in the deserts of Saudi Arabia defending the kingdom's borders, and in subsequent years the Saudis have provided significant monetary and technological assistance to the Pakistani army. Despite the tensions with Zardari's government, military and intelligence links between Riyadh and Islamabad remain strong and close — so much so that the U.S., for all its presence in the region, still leans on Saudi Arabia for counsel and support. The cables, says Rafiq, "demonstrate that the Saudis have deep vested interests in Pakistan and an influence that is so significant that even the U.S. in some way relies on Saudi knowledge of the country."

As Hassan Abbas, a professor of South Asian studies at Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs, notes, the cables also illustrate where Saudi and U.S. interests in the region possibly diverge. "Saudi Arabia is a monarchy and not interested in seeing many Muslim countries going down the road of democracy," he says. An April 2009 cable claims the Saudis are fearful of a "Shi'a triangle" of hostile Shi'a-led governments in Iraq, Iran and Pakistan, while others depict the Saudis as desperate to counteract the growing clout of Turkey, another rising Muslim democracy. Whatever their differences, however, the WikiLeaks cables reveal a belief in Washington that Pakistan's road to salvation still winds through Riyadh.
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So basically "humanity" when it comes to punishment of the worst criminals in every society is an illusion by large and depends on your views of what is "humane".

BTW what is your opinion about Breivik? That guy from Norway that killed almost 100 people

I think that if you look at what was common 100 years ago , you will see that it would be considered barbaric today.

About 80 years a go chain gangs and deportation to penal colonies where still common. You must accept that societies are moving forward on that and there is indeed common understanding about what is humane and what is not .

As for that guy from Norway , how many people like that are there ? i would rather see one guy like that slip away than have the whole population of prisoners suffer for it.

If killing is wrong than the state should not take part in it.

 
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Not a single non-violent regime critic or "activist" (as we all know what kind of activists are found in our region of the world - everything from radicals to people conspiring against their countries for monetary gain etc.). KSA will never execute those people unless they have been proven to do something really harmful against the state or aided the few terrorists/hooligans in the Eastern Province that shot construction workers and police last year. Which I doubt they are involved in.

As I said, KSA (MBS) and the leadership (while far from perfect, see my initial comments) cannot afford to give total freedom of speech to every group in the society in this crucial time where necessary and great reforms are taking place (economic, religious, social) and allow them to divide the society. It is a fine balancing act between the secular lot and the conservative lot.

Much of what does activists thought for and called for have been accomplished in recent times. If they think that KSA will turn into Denmark overnight (while no such country exists in the region and never did) while it took centuries for Denmark to reach their current democratic system, they are daydreaming when there are conflicts all around us and the country is involved in an intervention in Yemen and there are great regional disputes and rivalries.

Obviously those people have done something that is not looked at favorably or have a large group of followers for the regime to crack down on them when criticism of them and government officials is a normal thing online (Twitter, social media as a whole) and even in person during Majlis and other gatherings or municipalities.



Death penalty in KSA is given for mostly the most heinous crimes ranging from murder, rape, terrorism, armed robberies while committing bodily harm to those you rob, large smuggling of drugs etc. Death penalty is not barbaric at all. Crime rates in KSA are one of the lowest in the world.

How about Israel's foundation, how they have treated Palestinians for 70+ years? Is that not the definition of barbaric? Or stealing their land? Or sentencing people to life sentences where they are rotting slowly in solitary confinement or small prison cells? Is that humane? I think that I would prefer a quick death over 30-40 years in a small prison cell.



Have some of the 1.4 billion Chinese witnessed the 1000's of executions that China carry out on a yearly basis (those that are reported)? In KSA less than 100 people are executed on a yearly basis on average despite being located between 3 continents (Asia, Africa and Europe) and bordering some of the most busy sea trade areas where drugs are flowing through.

No, since usually few people watch them and if they do it occurs from afar always. BTW executions in KSA are carried out by a sword (swift beheading, one of the least painful methods, cheapest and showing the reality of executions) in public or shooting "in private" in prisons. Most of the executioners that use swords are Afro-Arabs (all of them) and their job is inherited from father to son. Police in prisons execute criminals by shooting which is done like elsewhere where 10 shooters line up and only 1 or 2 of them ending up killing the condemned eventually due to blank bullets. BTW an execution is an execution. No need to sugarcoat it. I would prefer the beheading method as it is more swift, cheaper and a much older practice that also has a psychological effect on the onlookers.
When "high treason" is proved in court without any reasonable doubt.. the sentence of death penalty is up..even in Canada..
 
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When "high treason" is proved in court without any reasonable doubt.. the sentence of death penalty is up..even in Canada..

What are you talking about ?

The death death penalty in canada given was in 1964.

In 1998, Canada eliminated the death penalty for these military offences , like treason as well ! !

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The country does not belong to one family.

Also barbaric beheading is invented by Saudis.
 
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The country does not belong to one family.

Also barbaric beheading is invented by Saudis.

All executions are barbaric.If i where you i would not talk about Saudis executions.

Since your country , has the highest rate of execution in the world . Yes you read right , Iran has the highest rate of execution in the world.

In total numbers of executions you are second only to china , and since there are a lot more chinese than there are iranians , well do the math yourself ...

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When "high treason" is proved in court without any reasonable doubt.. the sentence of death penalty is up..even in Canada..

And what has she done that is considered as 'high treason'? Did she try to blow up the throne made of gold or did she try to kidnap MBS?
 
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Also barbaric beheading is invented by Saudis.

It was invented in ancient Persia but of course Pakistanis would believe a holy man most of above.

All executions are barbaric.If i where you i would not talk about Saudis executions.

Since your country , has the highest rate of execution in the world . Yes you read right , Iran has the highest rate of execution in the world.

In total numbers of executions you are second only to china , and since there are a lot more chinese than there are iranians , well do the math yourself ...

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Apparently, we have so many human rights activists on this forum, why they never spoke about of a single execution in Iran? Are they all hypocrites?

BTW...I heard in Iran as well some Iranian woman is jailed without any evidence of crime, but no one is moved on this forum?
 
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