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Saudi Arabia mulls NATO-like military alliance of Muslim countries, asks Pakistan to lead

So you dont want to protect Muslim heh ....?

if i am obligated to protect them if i MUST (and that's a very, very big MUST), then i will. however, unlike you, i don't drag along my homeland to some other people's problem. i am obliged to protect myself first, and my country. religion is the very last thing as much as i care.

Nope, you can talk, but I believe if Pew Research do the pooling regarding this, Majority of Indonesian Muslim will support, and don forget Muslim Indonesians is 90 %

*facepalm*

really? if that's the case then how come indonesia does not become a muslim country in the first place then? heck, why not let the DI/TII take control of the country just for hell of it? the answer is really simple, because they don't.
your logic is that if they're muslim then they MUST support them, as you keep going all dense about. funnily muslims disregards and keep killing other muslims in most places in the world day by day. the only thing it ever happened is when people are stupid enough (heck, they are still backwards) to disregard what's sukarno's been painstakingly achieve during the asia-africa conference. in that case, they've shamed themselves by their own foolishness.
 
if i am obligated to protect them if i MUST (and that's a very, very big MUST), then i will. however, unlike you, i don't drag along my homeland to some other people's problem. i am obliged to protect myself first, and my country. religion is the very last thing as much as i care.



*facepalm*

really? if that's the case then how come indonesia does not become a muslim country in the first place then? heck, why not let the DI/TII take control of the country just for hell of it? the answer is really simple, because they don't.
your logic is that if they're muslim then they MUST support them, as you keep going all dense about. funnily muslims disregards and keep killing other muslims in most places in the world day by day. the only thing it ever happened is when people are stupid enough (heck, they are still backwards) to disregard what's sukarno's been painstakingly achieve during the asia-africa conference. in that case, they've shamed themselves by their own foolishness.

I want to ask this....

There are Muslim in Western European and USA, but they are minority

European and USA are not Christian country as well, Vatican is, so why do they have the right to protect Christian as like you have just said, and Indonesia cannot protect Muslims......?

You have little knowledge about Islam, lad.

Muslim countries is a definition of Muslim Majority country.

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The term Muslim world, also known as Islamic world and the Ummah (Arabic: أمة‎, meaning "nation" or "community"[1][2]) has different meanings. In a religious sense, the Islamic Ummah refers to those who adhere to the teachings of Islam, referred to as Muslims. In a cultural sense, the Muslim Ummah refers to Islamic civilization, exclusive of non-Muslims living in that civilization. In a modern geopolitical sense, the term "Islamic Nation" usually refers collectively to Muslim-majority countries, states, districts, or towns.

Although Islamic lifestyles emphasise unity and defence of fellow Muslims, schools and branches (see Shia–Sunni relations, for example) exist. In the past both Pan-Islamism and nationalist currents have influenced the status of the Greater Middle East.

As of 2015, over 1.7 billion or about 23.4% of the world population are Muslims.[3] By the percentage of the total population in a region considering themselves Muslim, 24.8% in Asia-Oceania do,[4] 91.2% in the Middle East-North Africa,[5] 29.6% in Sub-Saharan Africa,[6] around 6.0% in Europe,[7] and 0.6% in the Americas.[8][9][10][11]

Muslim world - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Indonesia-Pakistan-Turkey-Bangladesh-Malaysia


Turkey is already part of NATO.. so leave Turkey..

Hasina of Bangladesh will never allow a military alliance with Pakistan at least in her rule..

so how Indonesia and Malaysia get together?

Pakistan Indonesia can have defense partnership/alliance..
 
Any where in World, Muslims fighting under the banner of Shirk, Kufr and against Muslims of other Muslims is haram. (As per Islam)
That is why, every Indian Muslim,died fighting against Pakistan or Bangladesh or any other Muslim nation under the banner of India is not "martyred"........ but "Jahanum wasil"

"On day of Qayamah, many Martryers will not gain any advantage from their martryr."
Hadith

Because they fought side by side with evil against good. Fought for false gods of nationalism and other isms against Islam.that's why Indian Muslim soldiers are traitors of Islam, and they will receive "worthy" treatment in after life

So US Muslim fighting against Iraqi Army is also not ok. Got it. All Indian Muslims are going to hell, because they did not side with pure Pakistan Army. The debate whether the Pakistani Army is a 'true Muslim' Army is a different arguement, but lets not go there. It will open a can of worms.

But you still did not answer my query. You said Saudi coalition is against Iran. So here Muslims killing Muslims is ok? So the US strategy of making Muslim countries fight each other is perfectly ok. Else, they go to hell? @C130 @boomslang @gambit

I am a little confused here. Is it ok, if I call in a few of your compatriots to explain more clearly, since I have been asking this query and you are not answering the same? And I am not calling any Iranians, because, that will blow this thread.

@Oscar @waz @WAJsal @Armstrong @Hyperion @Zarvan

Let me also add the ever benevolent @Horus to this?
 
No doubt you are diverting from real topic and trying to drag as much confusion as possible by including topics which have less to deal with Religion but more to geo political interests of different races. Also calling Mods is sign that you have zero understanding about the topic and you want them to interface and say "Religious discussion not allowed, topic closed"

Cheap move :coffee:

So US Muslim fighting against Iraqi Army is also not ok. Got it. All Indian Muslims are going to hell, because they did not side with pure Pakistan Army. The debate whether the Pakistani Army is a 'true Muslim' Army is a different arguement, but lets not go there. It will open a can of worms.

But you still did not answer my query. You said Saudi coalition is against Iran. So here Muslims killing Muslims is ok? So the US strategy of making Muslim countries fight each other is perfectly ok. Else, they go to hell? @C130 @boomslang @gambit

I am a little confused here. Is it ok, if I call in a few of your compatriots to explain more clearly, since I have been asking this query and you are not answering the same? And I am not calling any Iranians, because, that will blow this thread.

@Oscar @waz @WAJsal @Armstrong @Hyperion @Zarvan

Let me also add the ever benevolent @Horus to this?
 
Let me ask you a simple question. If Indonesia is under threat are countries like Pakistan more like to come to your help or countries like Britain and Germany or Holland?

if i am obligated to protect them if i MUST (and that's a very, very big MUST), then i will. however, unlike you, i don't drag along my homeland to some other people's problem. i am obliged to protect myself first, and my country. religion is the very last thing as much as i care.



*facepalm*

really? if that's the case then how come indonesia does not become a muslim country in the first place then? heck, why not let the DI/TII take control of the country just for hell of it? the answer is really simple, because they don't.
your logic is that if they're muslim then they MUST support them, as you keep going all dense about. funnily muslims disregards and keep killing other muslims in most places in the world day by day. the only thing it ever happened is when people are stupid enough (heck, they are still backwards) to disregard what's sukarno's been painstakingly achieve during the asia-africa conference. in that case, they've shamed themselves by their own foolishness.
 
No doubt you are diverting from real topic and trying to drag as much confusion as possible by including topics which have less to deal with Religion but more to geo political interests of different races

Actually no. You said, Saudis forming coalition and fighting Iran is ok. Muslim fighting Muslim. But Indian Muslim fighting Pakistan is not ok, because under some regulation they are going to hell.

So my question to you was, Muslim killing Muslim is hence ok? I am logically following your line of thought. And while you have explained that nationhood should be trumped by religion, as per your understanding. But, how does this work in the Saudi Iran scheme of things? This is what I have been asking you and you have conveniently ignored it.

The reason I added those chaps is not because they are mods or we are discussing religion. Religion has nothing to do with what the Saudis are trying to achieve. Which is what something, I have been trying to explain to you. Its national interests. The same nationhood which you conveniently put aside when it came to Indian Muslims?

No, because they stood with wrong side.
Aka Mushrakeen and Buut Parast......

And who defined that the Pakistani Army is the true Muslim Army?
 
No, because they stood with wrong side.
Aka Mushrakeen and Buut Parast......
Where in the Quran does Allah drew a map of Pakistan and gave verification that Muslims inside this specific land ranging from xyz latitude and abc longitude are the only purest of pure Muslims in the whole world? Dont issue your stupid online Fatwas.
 
Pakistan vs India
ALLAH I AKBAR vs JAI HIND

Choose your side wisely.........
Actually no. You said, Saudis forming coalition and fighting Iran is ok. Muslim fighting Muslim. But Indian Muslim fighting Pakistan is not ok, because under some regulation they are going to hell.

So my question to you was, Muslim killing Muslim is hence ok? I am logically following your line of thought. And while you have explained that nationhood should be trumped by religion, as per your understanding. But, how does this work in the Saudi Iran scheme of things? This is what I have been asking you and you have conveniently ignored it.

The reason I added those chaps is not because they are mods or we are discussing religion. Religion has nothing to do with what the Saudis are trying to achieve. Which is what something, I have been trying to explain to you. Its national interests. The same nationhood which you conveniently put aside when it came to Indian Muslims?



And who defined that the Pakistani Army is the true Muslim Army?

Where in the Quran does Allah drew a map of Pakistan and gave verification that Muslims inside this specific land ranging from xyz latitude and abc longitude are the only purest of pure Muslims in the whole world? Dont issue your stupid online Fatwas.
Plz don't butt in matters which you don't understand.
 
Actually no. You said, Saudis forming coalition and fighting Iran is ok
I never said that. It's a sectarian based war. Nothing to do with Islam. But most to do with personal gains wrapped in cover of religion.
So my question to you was, Muslim killing Muslim is hence ok
Muslims killing any one is not ok in general.
But killing fellow Muslims for justifying name of land you belong is forbidden.
 
Pakistan vs India
ALLAH I AKBAR vs JAI HIND

Choose your side wisely.........



Plz don't butt in matters which you don't understand.

So you do not have a logical answer?

I never said that. It's a sectarian based war. Nothing to do with Islam. But most to do with personal gains wrapped in cover of religion.

Good. Sectarian war. Who is the opponent? The coalition is against Iran. Let's say it out loud. Iran is a nation. Saudi is a nation. Going by your definition, killing another in the name of land is forbidden. So what exactly is happening here?

Or are you saying that it is a Shia vs Sunni war, since you said its sectarian? Because, that is a whole different discussion. Because, Pakistan has Shias as well. What if they fight on the side of Iran, but not on the side of Pakistan, since nation concept is wrong.
 
Turkey is already part of NATO.. so leave Turkey..

Hasina of Bangladesh will never allow a military alliance with Pakistan at least in her rule..

so how Indonesia and Malaysia get together?

Pakistan Indonesia can have defense partnership/alliance..



Well, during Soeharto times we sent special forces to Malaysia to help Malaysia fight their communist insurgency. Warm relation during Soeharto regime, even Mahathir see Soeharto as his political guru.

Tension happened in 2004 in disputed Ambalat block was due to our weak Military (USA embargo and Asian financial crisis effect) that makes Malaysia was brave enough to challenge us, and since they know we can get serious even though lack of military hardware they dont challenge us anymore, and Today we are much powerful than we were in 2004, politically, economically and militarily.
 
Well, during Soeharto times we sent special forces to Malaysia to help Malaysia fight their communist insurgency. Warm relation during Soeharto regime, even Mahathir see Soeharto as his political guru.

Tension happened in 2004 in disputed Ambalat block was due to our weak Military (USA embargo and Asian financial crisis effect) that makes Malaysia was brave enough to challenge us, and since they know we can get serious even though lack of military hardware they are not challenge us anymore, and Today we are much powerful than we were in 2004, politically, economically and militarily.

What do u think, Malaysia will form alliance with Indonesia and Pakistan if offered?
 

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