Levina
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Click the title Mr.Atanz"Where is the link Levina?
I had linked the original source to the heading.
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Click the title Mr.Atanz"Where is the link Levina?
You are pretty wrong,
it was not KSA, but General cum President Zia ul Haq. Eventually, he leaded his army on request from Jordanian king, where no other barader mulk dared to send his army
Click the title Mr.Atanz
I had linked the original source to the heading.
You're a pessimist.Everything is going, including eyesight ....
You're a pessimist.
Let me try one of your lines on you..Protective reflex - expect the worse tthat way when worse comes your not disappointed. You need that with Pakistan ....
Let me try one of your lines on you..
Patience....there's light at the end of the tunnel.
Why Pakistan’s future looks bright - The Express Tribune
Not sure I buy this. If Pak was such an open society as the author claims, how come they felt they could not live with Hindus in 1947????
I thought the article makes sense and ergo posted it here. Very often I have heard it from Pakistanis that their country was a very open society till some decades back, that is till the Saudi-Pakistan friendship grew deeper.
As an outsider I've observed that many Pakistanis suffer from an emotional tantrum on account of real and perceived insult of their belief. They get agitated easily, I wonder if this stems from the fact that Pakistan is a Muslim country while its roots are very secular. I might sound dilettante but is it not possible to model Pakistan on Turkey where so many religions exist in harmony?However the unbridled salafism and wearing religion on your sleave is too much for me to take. I struggle to cope with hordes of brain dead zombies playing the same broken record player again, again ...
Oh!I think Pakistan is better ( in some cases far better off ) than most South Asian countries. I love north west of Pakistan ( Gandhara region ) and as a history buff it also happens to be the epicentre of South Asian history.
In fact most of Pakistan was the pivot of South Asian history. You cannot talk about ancient history in this part of the world with bringing up the Pakistan region.It is a great land.I would not exchange this area for any other in all of South Asia including even those golden sandy beaches of Kerala.
Pass!Not sure I buy this. If Pak was such an open society as the author claims, how come they felt they could not live with Hindus in 1947?
As an outsider I've observed that many Pakistanis suffer from an emotional tantrum on account of real and perceived insult of their belief. They get agitated easily, I wonder if this stems from the fact that Pakistan is a Muslim country while its roots are very secular. I might sound dilettante but is it not possible to model Pakistan on Turkey where so many religions exist in harmony?
To an outsider like me Pakistan seems to be in war with itself.
Not sure I buy this. If Pak was such an open society as the author claims, how come they felt they could not live with Hindus in 1947?
I can't disagree with anything you have said in your post. There are sane voices though, unfortunately, at least on PDF they get themselves banned every other day. there is a process of evolution, South Asia has to pull itself out of the Middle Ages into modernity- the sooner the better for all of us.Everything is possible it is about timing. We are nowing paying for the price of failing to construct a solid national identity in the formative years of this country. Things like Objective Resolution introduced within the body of Pakistan mutant Dna which sat there waiting for the opportune time to explode. Now we are enjoying the harvesting those mistakes.
Turkey got it right at the right time. It is not possible now because so many people have caught the disease. There are small minority but people who display the mental disposition to bring such change are always a minority in any society.
PDF is a example. The median age is young, coming from advantaged economic backgrounds compared to the mass of Pakistan and better educated. That is most are modern products but vast majority display closed mindsets. Failed prescriptions ( religion in the public life ) is answered with the same prescription even more robustly ( even more religion in public life ).
1947 was about economics. Not being able to live with Hindu in 1947 is like asking why Catholics could not live with Protestants in Ireland ....
That subject is entirely seprate to "open society" that would need another thread. If you want you can open it and I will reply ....
Frankly I might sound tad patronizing but it's also poor education and couple with lack of intellect. When I say poor education I mean real education that opens the mind.
The best example is the favourite presecription for Pakistan's problems is "more Islam" or sorry "true Islam". They can't see what is so obvious. The truth is there is no homogenous "Islam". There is no one prescription.
What we have is dozens of brands all claming to be Islam which equates to dozens of prescriptions. So letting them loose is having dozens of brands all purporting to be true Islam fighting each other and in the process killing each other to get their prescriptions mandated.
We already see what the prescriptions of these brands are. One is busy killing all the Shia, another turned on the Ahmedi, another recently on the Agha Khani followers.
Hell is let loose ......................
The best example is the favourite presecription for Pakistan's problems is "more Islam" or sorry "true Islam". They can't see what is so obvious. The truth is there is no homogenous "Islam". There is no one prescription.
My assumption is that Jinnah's call for muslims to form a pure land served as an invitation to the zealots. The secular muslims stayed back in India while those who put religion over country had segregated to form Pakistan, albeit I still feel that such people are a minority.Everything is possible it is about timing. We are nowing paying for the price of failing to construct a solid national identity in the formative years of this country. Things like Objective Resolution introduced within the body of Pakistan mutant Dna which sat there waiting for the opportune time to explode. Now we are enjoying the harvesting those mistakes.
Turkey was always a secular country isnt it?Turkey got it right at the right time.
You're being a pessimist again.It is not possible now because so many people have caught the disease.
I've always believed that a disturbed neighborhood would effect India's progress, so for my own selfish reasons I want Pakistan to come out of this mess.There are small minority but people who display the mental disposition to bring such change are always a minority in any society.
Au contraire, I see the youngsters on this forum as more open minded compared to the middle aged men/women on this forum. I must say that members like @faisal6309 @Secur @Arsalan @forcetrip @That Guy have often surprised me with their posts and such members form the majority (the list is very long ), but unfortunately haters always scream the loudest.PDF is a example. The median age is young, coming from advantaged economic backgrounds compared to the mass of Pakistan and better educated. That is most are modern products but vast majority display closed mindsets. Failed prescriptions ( religion in the public life ) is answered with the same prescription even more robustly ( even more religion in public life ).
Is it okay if I open a thread on this topic??? I know i might earn a lot of brick bats for opening such a controversial thread , so I'm requesting you to open a thread on this topic and tag us.1947 was about economics. Not being able to live with Hindu in 1947 is like asking why Catholics could not live with Protestants in Ireland ....
That subject is entirely seprate to "open society" that would need another thread. If you want you can open it and I will reply ....
Poor education and lack of intellect go hand in hand...isnt it?Frankly I might sound tad patronizing but it's also poor education and couple with lack of intellect. When I say poor education I mean real education that opens the mind.
You've hit the nail on the head!The best example is the favourite presecription for Pakistan's problems is "more Islam" or sorry "true Islam". They can't see what is so obvious. The truth is there is no homogenous "Islam". There is no one prescription.
Brusque but true.What we have is dozens of brands all claming to be Islam which equates to dozens of prescriptions. So letting them loose is having dozens of brands all purporting to be true Islam fighting each other and in the process killing each other to get their prescriptions mandated.
We already see what the prescriptions of these brands are. One is busy killing all the Shia, another turned on the Ahmedi, another recently on the Agha Khani followers.
Hell is let loose ......................
More than the serene places I like the ppl of Rajasthan and North-east.@levina - I agree with you on Rajasthan and NE, . My favorite places too. raj. Is magical, every bend in the road opens up a beautiful view, palaces and forts rise out of the dessert in the mist and like you said the people are humble and hospitable and the food is great .....except for the camel milk - yuk!
Ooops!Many here, some with exalted titles, would vehemently disagree, of course.