Saudi Arabia, China Ink Nuke Cooperation Deal

[nirreich]

Sorry, but you can not use your own words?

Sorry, but I thought you are asking for a comprehensive definition. In general, a rogue state is a country which constantly wants to change the basic of current international order to its advantage. And for doing that, it is ready to use extreme measures, such as terrorism and nuclear weapons development, which will get it closer to its objective in relatively short time.

For example, China wants to change the current world order but it is not using for than radical measures and it is confident that its economic power will do the job. On the other hand, Pakistan is not please with its inferiority position vis-a-vis India and use terrorism and nuclear threats in order to pressurise India and to compensate of its weakness. Pakistan also hope for the US to be weaker and more sensitive to Pakistan's pressure, so it uses terrorism and the nuclear card against the US too.

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Incidentally, Iraq \ Afghanistan and Libya, all have no weapons of mass destruction, their fate? Who is a rogue state, it can not say, Israel is like also.

In all of these countries ruled dictators and barbaric regimes, thank god they did not have nuclear weapons. Are you sorry for them?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Sorry, but I thought you are asking for a comprehensive definition. In general, a rogue state is a country which constantly wants to change the basic of current international order to its advantage. And for doing that, it is ready to use extreme measures, such as terrorism and nuclear weapons development, which will get it closer to its objective in relatively short time.

For example, China wants to change the current world order but it is not using for than radical measures and it is confident that its economic power will do the job. On the other hand, Pakistan is not please with its inferiority position vis-a-vis India and use terrorism and nuclear threats in order to pressurise India and to compensate of its weakness. Pakistan also hope for the US to be weaker and more sensitive to Pakistan's pressure, so it uses terrorism and the nuclear card against the US too.

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In all of these countries ruled dictators and barbaric regimes, thank god they did not have nuclear weapons. Are you sorry for them?

Even if this standard, Israel to determine the inside, but sorry, I do not think a so-called international order is a core standard for the rogue states. Subsistence and development are the core interests of all countries, any country to use military means to deprive the other countries right at this point, they are rogue states, judging from the past 10 years, who do you think is the rogue state?

 

[SinoChallenger]

To seek justice from China can only be considered as a joke. China always only took care of itself and never cared for any other nations. What about Tibet and the Uigors of Xinjiang? Do not they deserve justice like all other nations? What about the Chinese people? Why can they have full civil rights and a real democracy like in the Republic of China, just across the Taiwan's Straits?

Don't you worry about Chinese people. We are the most rapidly developing economy in the world. Our rights as Chinese citizens are protected by the wise leaders in our government. In many ways, we enjoy more civil rights than a modern police state like USA or Israel.

Most Tibetans and Uighurs accept Chinese unity. Only a small percentage want hostility between their group and majority Han Chinese. In a generation, assimilation will change the demographics anyway.

The West has the power and indeed it exploited it badly in the past.

USA is still killing Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis and perhaps soon Iranians.

The main problem is that all this third world countries still want so-called "justice" and to play the victims even after decades since their independence instead of taking their faith in their hands and improving their situation for the better. And your precious China just support their victimisation because it helps it against the West and not for any other reason - it could not care less for this nations (and we can see how Chinese companies exploit today African nations...).

Ask the Africans, Muslims, Latin Americans yourself. The West comes, sees and conquers. The Chinese at least pays for resources and ship them low priced consumer goods.

For your disappointment and the rest of the failed states, there is only one way for development: democracy, liberalism, and pluralism. And the West got them all and that is why China, under its current regime, will always remain behind the US and Europe.

Democracy, liberalism and pluralism are not bad things. Sounds really good on paper, in fact. The problem is the West, especially the USA, doesn't practice what it preaches. The West is still a hardcore imperialist, ethnocentric, expanionist, geopolitical exploiter of less technologically advanced societies.

As China becomes a technologically advanced society itself, the West can no longer leverage the technological advantage into exploitation the way it would like. Hence the resentment and backlash against China.

 

[Korean]

China has recently started exporting nuclear reactors.

Do you think Saudi Arabia might be a customer for those?

No.

Foreign nuclear power plant customers almost always require either the US or European type certifications and obtaining one is a long and rigorous process, since a US NRC type certification means the approved type could be built in the US. Accordingly it is not possible to export Chinese nuclear power plant designs to high end customers. China may export its designs to 3rd world countries building the power plant on Chinese foreign aid, but not to cash-paying customers who demand better.

It is sort of like how Chinese cars that cannot be exported to the US and Europe due to crash/emissions test failures. The nuclear power plant certification is 100 times harder than an automobile certification.