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Saudi Arabia Cheers the Coup in Egypt

While most of the world is ambivalent about the overthrow of a democratically elected President in Egypt by the army this week, the Saudi royal family is enthusiastically endorsing the generals’ move. The Kingdom hopes the coup marks the beginning of the end of the Arab Awakening and a return to stability and autocracy across the Arab world.



Saudi King Abdallah issued a public endorsement of the coup just two hours after General Abd al Fattah al Sisi announced President Mohammad Morsi had been deposed and the constitution suspended. The King’s congratulatory message was addressed to the new president appointed by the army, Adly Mahmud Mansour. The Saudis were the first foreign government to back the takeover publicly. The King followed the message up with a phone call to General Sisi which the Kingdom also made public.


General Sisi is well known in Riyadh where he served as military attaché before being promoted to be chief of Egyptian military intelligence. There are widespread rumors in the Middle East that Saudi intelligence provided funding and support for the downfall of Morsi’s government and encouraged the growing popular opposition to his government. They are also reported to have promised Sisi that they would replace any military or economic aid cut off by Washington in the aftermath of the regime change (as they did in Pakistan in 1998 when that country tested nuclear weapons and Washington cut aid). The Kingdom has a long history of covertly funding regime change around the world and the head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar, is a master of intrigue. It is difficult to evaluate how much is real in these rumors, as is usually the case, but the Kingdom’s unhappiness with developments in Egypt since 2011 is very clear.


The Saudis were appalled at the downfall of Hosni Mubarak in 2011; Mubarak had been a longtime friend of the Saudis, who sent two divisions of troops to defend the Kingdom in 1990 from Saddam Hussein. The royals were even more dismayed when President Obama called for Mubarak to step down, which they saw as a betrayal of an American ally with ominous implications for themselves. They were shocked that the Egyptian revolution set in motion revolutions across the Arab world calling for democracy. Abdallah responded in part with over a $100 billion in payoffs to the Saudi people to ensure stability at home.



In Bahrain the Saudis intervened with force to put down a revolution against a fellow monarchy with the active military assistance of the United Arab Emirates, which is also rumored to have worked with Saudi intelligence in Egypt. The Kingdom and the UAE are both vocal opponents of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere in part for its backing of Iraq back in the 1990s. Today Riyadh and Abu Dhabi see the Brotherhood as a dangerously subversive and popular enemy. The Saudis have also moved to back up other endangered monarchies like Jordan. In Yemen they have tried to guide the revolution away from dangerous waters and towards keeping a pro-Saudi government in office.


In Syria, of course, the Saudis have backed the revolution against Bashar Assad but they are not eager for Assad to be replaced by a democratic reformist regime. They would prefer a new strongman in Damascus, but one who is a Sunni Arab who will tilt the country toward Saudi Arabia and away from Iran. In the Syrian case Bandar and Saudi intelligence are deeply involved in providing arms and money to the Sunni opposition.



Riyadh’s backing for the coup in Cairo puts it somewhat at odds with it’s rich little neighbor Qatar which has been Morsi’s biggest backer, providing some $8 billion in aid since the 2011 revolution. The Saudis always see the Qataris as meddlesome interlopers playing a role over their appropriate place in Arab politics, so a little humiliation for Doha is an added benefit of the coup. But even the Qataris are reported to have become more and more fed up with Morsi. The two Wahhabi states do work together albeit with some friction in Syria.


The Saudis and their gulf allies now have the opportunity of course to actually help the Egyptian people with generous aid and subsidized energy to help the country get back on its feet and, even better, to prosper. General Sisi will need to demonstrate quickly that he can address Egypt’s enormous economic challenges better than Morsi. The general undoubtedly has already made his needs known. Now we will discover if the royals are ready to put the big bucks behind helping Egypt. They will certainly not condition any aid on a rapid return to democracy and free and fair elections. They would prefer General Sisi have a long run as Egypt’s next pharaoh.


Saudi Arabia Cheers the Coup in Egypt - The Daily Beast
 
While most of the world is ambivalent about the overthrow of a democratically elected President in Egypt by the army this week, the Saudi royal family is enthusiastically endorsing the generals’ move. The Kingdom hopes the coup marks the beginning of the end of the Arab Awakening and a return to stability and autocracy across the Arab world.



Saudi King Abdallah issued a public endorsement of the coup just two hours after General Abd al Fattah al Sisi announced President Mohammad Morsi had been deposed and the constitution suspended. The King’s congratulatory message was addressed to the new president appointed by the army, Adly Mahmud Mansour. The Saudis were the first foreign government to back the takeover publicly. The King followed the message up with a phone call to General Sisi which the Kingdom also made public.


General Sisi is well known in Riyadh where he served as military attaché before being promoted to be chief of Egyptian military intelligence. There are widespread rumors in the Middle East that Saudi intelligence provided funding and support for the downfall of Morsi’s government and encouraged the growing popular opposition to his government. They are also reported to have promised Sisi that they would replace any military or economic aid cut off by Washington in the aftermath of the regime change (as they did in Pakistan in 1998 when that country tested nuclear weapons and Washington cut aid). The Kingdom has a long history of covertly funding regime change around the world and the head of Saudi intelligence, Prince Bandar, is a master of intrigue. It is difficult to evaluate how much is real in these rumors, as is usually the case, but the Kingdom’s unhappiness with developments in Egypt since 2011 is very clear.


The Saudis were appalled at the downfall of Hosni Mubarak in 2011; Mubarak had been a longtime friend of the Saudis, who sent two divisions of troops to defend the Kingdom in 1990 from Saddam Hussein. The royals were even more dismayed when President Obama called for Mubarak to step down, which they saw as a betrayal of an American ally with ominous implications for themselves. They were shocked that the Egyptian revolution set in motion revolutions across the Arab world calling for democracy. Abdallah responded in part with over a $100 billion in payoffs to the Saudi people to ensure stability at home.



In Bahrain the Saudis intervened with force to put down a revolution against a fellow monarchy with the active military assistance of the United Arab Emirates, which is also rumored to have worked with Saudi intelligence in Egypt. The Kingdom and the UAE are both vocal opponents of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and elsewhere in part for its backing of Iraq back in the 1990s. Today Riyadh and Abu Dhabi see the Brotherhood as a dangerously subversive and popular enemy. The Saudis have also moved to back up other endangered monarchies like Jordan. In Yemen they have tried to guide the revolution away from dangerous waters and towards keeping a pro-Saudi government in office.


In Syria, of course, the Saudis have backed the revolution against Bashar Assad but they are not eager for Assad to be replaced by a democratic reformist regime. They would prefer a new strongman in Damascus, but one who is a Sunni Arab who will tilt the country toward Saudi Arabia and away from Iran. In the Syrian case Bandar and Saudi intelligence are deeply involved in providing arms and money to the Sunni opposition.



Riyadh’s backing for the coup in Cairo puts it somewhat at odds with it’s rich little neighbor Qatar which has been Morsi’s biggest backer, providing some $8 billion in aid since the 2011 revolution. The Saudis always see the Qataris as meddlesome interlopers playing a role over their appropriate place in Arab politics, so a little humiliation for Doha is an added benefit of the coup. But even the Qataris are reported to have become more and more fed up with Morsi. The two Wahhabi states do work together albeit with some friction in Syria.


The Saudis and their gulf allies now have the opportunity of course to actually help the Egyptian people with generous aid and subsidized energy to help the country get back on its feet and, even better, to prosper. General Sisi will need to demonstrate quickly that he can address Egypt’s enormous economic challenges better than Morsi. The general undoubtedly has already made his needs known. Now we will discover if the royals are ready to put the big bucks behind helping Egypt. They will certainly not condition any aid on a rapid return to democracy and free and fair elections. They would prefer General Sisi have a long run as Egypt’s next pharaoh.


Ironic how you speak of a democratically chosen leader when in Iran itself your leader is not chosen democratically. Saudi Arabia has extremely deep ties with eygpt and who ever leader is chosen Saudi arabia will always be the first to congratule him to office . Its a simple lesson of politics , I might not like you but im willing to work with you , thats what world polictics is about no one loves the other person but im sure as hell going to make sure that we have a safe environment to work in togethor.

The syrian situation is as clear as Day Iran is supporting the Alawites and shiites and Saudi arabia is supporting the Sunnah , the solution is simple either one side wins or both sides kill each other . Do I think Iran or Iranians are evil people ? No I dont .Its a matter of people competing for control and dominance , we see this on a daily basis whether your driving or in the class room or even at work . Dominance must be asserted .The solution is co existence , while that might sound simple sadly we are region where fear and distrust is the rule of the day . Islam is a religion that promotes peace yet the blood shed going in the region does not .

So in the syrian case the Assad regime must go . why ? simply because they have proven to be nothing more than a bunch of mafia-like thugs preaching toxic waste and killing innocent people .

History will remember this as a Day where both Iran and Hezbollah got it wrong and supported the wrong side .
 
First of all Iran is supporting elections in Syria. not more arms and fighting.

Second Iran also supports democracy in Egypt, if Egypt turn into a democratic nation, it will be more friendly towards Iran.


Third, Iran is not a liberal democracy, but it's much more democratic that all of the countries in the middle east.


and 10-20 years from now, people will remember why the rebels were supported by which countries and what their backer's goals was.

In the 80's , Afghan fighters were also freedom fighters, but today most people know exactly what went on behind close doors and what the aim of USA/PAKISTAN/SAUID ARABIA was back then.
 
What was wrong with the last democratically elected leader? That military coup was required to remove him?
 
What was wrong with the last democratically elected leader? That military coup was required to remove him?

He didn't represent the majority of Egyptians. 30 millions came out to denounce MB but a military coup is not any better than an unpopular leader.
 
He didn't represent the majority of Egyptians. 30 millions came out to denounce MB but a military coup is not any better than an unpopular leader.

It is not over yet. After this coup egypt will probably going to suffer the same fate as syria. A civil war is brewing up.

May I ask why you keep saying it is a military coup? We will not know til the final end result. This is a process and struggle, not everything happen in one instance.

It cant be called a military coup on the account of the Egyptian Army taking control of security matters.
I think most people realise Morsi was not sustainable. And he was not willing to give up pwoer and make concessions until the army made ultimatum.
From what I gather, the "coup" or more correctly put the intervention, was very warmly received my most Egyptians.

If there are new elections and Egypt return to elected civilian government, then this entire affair will not have constituted a coup.
But it remains to be seen.

And even if is a coup and majority of Egyptians want it, then so be it. And if they are not happy a year from now, they will surely come out and protest.

It took the french in their revolution 4-5 tries, til they eventually got it right. As I said, this is a long process and struggle. But the Egyptians are fighting for their rights to self-determination, and its very inspiring.
 
May I ask why you keep saying it is a military coup? We will not know til the final end result. This is a process and struggle, not everything happen in one instance.

It cant be called a military coup on the account of the Egyptian Army taking control of security matters.
I think most people realise Morsi was not sustainable. And he was not willing to give up pwoer and make concessions until the army made ultimatum.
From what I gather, the "coup" or more correctly put the intervention, was very warmly received my most Egyptians.

If there are new elections and Egypt return to elected civilian government, then this entire affair will not have constituted a coup.
But it remains to be seen.

And even if is a coup and majority of Egyptians want it, then so be it. And if they are not happy a year from now, they will surely come out and protest.

It took the french in their revolution 4-5 tries, til they eventually got it right. As I said, this is a long process and struggle. But the Egyptians are fighting for their rights to self-determination, and its very inspiring.

What is your definition of a coup? A coup is when someone takes over by means of force. Unless there is an election soon then this will clearly be coup with ill intent. Egyptian military is very much used to holding power in their hands so in short they couldn't swallow democracy.
 
What is your definition of a coup? A coup is when someone takes over by means of force. Unless there is an election soon then this will clearly be coup with ill intent. Egyptian military is very much used to holding power in their hands so in short they couldn't swallow democracy.

Well techincally ok.
I do agree that if there is not a new election, it will be a coup with ill intent and a step in the wrong direction, as I personally see it.
 
Egyptian army shooting protesters from rooftops


 
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Egyptian army messed it up big time now.

they are telling Islamist the only way you can be in power is not through vote but by gun

Amin al Zahvari said that ikhwan will lose ultimately because that will not let them be in power through democrazy

Pakistani tawelay ki bala anchor Hamid Mir got call from Waziristan after Morsi's ouster by TTP representative sarcastically says " kar li haqomat islam pasandon nay jamhoriat kay rastay say " [have Islamist been in power through path of democracy(sarcastically)]

These type of people will use this for change through arms or for terrorism.

they are pushing knowingly or unknowingly muslims who wants to struggle through democrazy towards extremism
 
they are telling Islamist the only way you can be in power is not through vote but by gun

Amin al Zahvari said that ikhwan will lose ultimately because that will not let them be in power through democrazy

Pakistani tawelay ki bala anchor Hamid Mir got call from Waziristan after Morsi's ouster by TTP representative sarcastically says"kar li haqomat islam pasandon nay jamhoriat kay rastay say"[have Islamist been in power through path of democracy(sarcastically)]

These type of people will use this for change through arms or for terrorism.

they are pushing knowingly or unknowingly muslims who wants to struggle through democrazy towards extremism

There are a lot of international player like backing this coup so in short it will fail miserably. This will certainly going to give way to the hard liners.
 
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