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Saudi Arabia abolished flogging as a form of punishment, the Ministry of Justice said on Tuesday.

“Prison or fines or both will be some of the alternative sentences to replace flogging. Courts will hear and evaluate cases and make most sound decisions regarding each case,” the ministry said on Twitter.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...-Arabia-abolishes-flogging-as-punishment.html

I sincerely congratulate Saudi officials for this decision.
 
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Saudi Arabia abolished flogging as a form of punishment, the Ministry of Justice said on Tuesday.

“Prison or fines or both will be some of the alternative sentences to replace flogging. Courts will hear and evaluate cases and make most sound decisions regarding each case,” the ministry said on Twitter.

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...-Arabia-abolishes-flogging-as-punishment.html

I sincerely congratulate Saudi officials for this decision. Welcome to the 19th century.

It's not Saudi law, it's Shari'a law.
 
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Saudis heading in the wrong direction.

So bulldozing people's homes in Palestine and snipering Palestinian medics is modernity. However, flogging people as a punishment is not modernity. Then modernity is retarded.
 
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But they will still execute teenagers when they turn 18 for dissent under "terrorism laws".
 
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I remember that I said that "Chainsaw is the new trend." :D
 
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Punishment in the US gets you a 4% chance of being raped in rape cells every year you are in those rape cells. So a 25 year sentence is a sentence to be rape many times in one year.

More men are raped in the US than women, figures on prison assaults reveal
  • In 2008 it was estimated 216,000 inmates assaulted in detention
  • Four per cent of prisoners said they had been sexually abused in 2011
  • Department of Justice introducing regulations to tackle high rates of abuse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html

Would you rather live in a country where there is a 4% of being flogged if punished, or a 4% chance of being raped. Who is modern and civilized and who are the barbarians.

Amerikans are worse than Indians in regards to rape.

This 'let's bring Muslims into the 21st century culture' is a scary clown movie, Muslims were already civilized. It is the West who are the barbarians. Wherever the US goes, radical Muslims pop up from nowhere. The CiA recruits and radicalizes normal Muslims to do their CiA dirty work as agents of Chaos. Conservative Islam is not the problem. ISIS founders were trained and armed by NATO. Al Qaeda means the database of assets of US mujaheddin. Radical Islam is the invention of British and later Amerikans. Most of Muslims are modern and civilized.

USA barbarity is promoted in the world and aspects of Islamic civilization is called 'barbarism'.

Haters gonna hate.

It does not matter if Saudis flog or not, what matters is flogging as a punishment is not wrong, the same in the West for spanking. If you spank, you are considered uncivilized. The Roman Empire had parents who could spank were they uncivilized. If you support Child Protective Services in the US, where kids are taken from the parents and put in homes where they are killed, or sexually abused, that sexual abuse from CPS is modernity. Western Modernity is sick and evil. Modernization is not evil. Muslims used to be the most modern, technologically advanced and civilized people in the world.

Western Modernity is barbarism, traditional non-radicalized Islam is not barbarism.

There are many things wrong about the Saudis, most of them are British and Western influences. There is no reason to become radicalized over the excesses of Western gluttony, there is something wrong when they shame traditional people around the world and the barbarians tell the traditional people, they are the problem. This is nothing more than bullying.

I am a secular modernist, however the bullying of traditional people and cultures I can spot from a mile away.

Saudis have the right to flog or not to flog that is their choice. To say flogging is wrong, is wrong.
 
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More obsession about KSA's internal judiciary laws as usual even though KSA has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, nowhere near close to the highest number of executions on an annual basis (184 people in a nation of 35 million - the horror) nor was flagellation in KSA ever used as anything more than a humiliation type of punishment rather than as a punishment that was/is intended to cause grave or serious physical harm. When somebody farts in KSA it becomes world news. Nothing new, either.

Lashing an Iranian for desecrating the Holy Mosque in Madinah, Saudi Arabia by urinating inside the mosque.


A long list of countries from Europe, the Americas, Africa to Asia have been using flag (in its severe form unlike in KSA in the past) and are still using it today.

In countries like Singapore and Malaysia it is a legacy of the British and was/is much more serious.


No need to mention the likes of Iran either and many majority Muslim nations.


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Old news as well.

It's not Saudi law, it's Shari'a law.

Don't tell it to that Arabized and Turkified Anatolian/Albanian (or whatever he is) or that the host country (Pakistan) of this forum uses that punishment and a host of countries in the region and even numerous non-Muslim countries as far away as Singapore which is a 100 times more developed country than Turkey.

"Welcome to the 19th century." :enjoy:

Turks are some of the last people on earth to be talking about "19th century" given your history. The whole world is well aware of the most recent genocides that you committed in the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

Erdogan seems to be living in the 19th century as well given his failed Neo-Ottoman fairytale dreams and failed as well as deluded geopolitical projects.

In the real world KSA's HDI (Human Development Index) is way ahead of Turkey. KSA's economy is bigger. The average GDP per capita (nominal) is light years ahead, KSA's universities are ranked higher, the infrastructure is superior, health care system, education level, living standards etc.

I remember that I said that "Chainsaw is the new trend." :D

Yes, the world should follow Turkey's lead, the country that jails the most journalists in the world.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/01/16/turkey-leads-the-world-in-jailed-journalists

But they will still execute teenagers when they turn 18 for dissent under "terrorism laws".

Nonsense. What does a Bangladeshi user, that most likely cannot even count to 10 in Arabic, have of knowledge about Saudi Arabian politics, dynamics etc. (let alone that of the Arab world or region)? Zero is the answer. I suggest focusing on internal Bangladeshi affairs under the Hasina regime or worrying about saving your brethren in Myanmar that face slaughter and displacement. That and waiting for the next deportation of illegal Bangladeshis/Rohingyas arriving back home from KSA.

Saudi Arabia abolishes “Ta’zir flogging” as punishment
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Ta’zir flogging” as a form of punishment, the Ministry of Justice said on Tuesday.

“Prison [sentences] or fines or both will be some of the alternative sentences to replace flogging. Courts will hear and evaluate cases and make sound decisions regarding each case,” the ministry said on Twitter.


The Minister of Justice, Waleed al-Samaani, issued a circular to all courts informing them of the Supreme Court’s decision: Courts should issue prison sentences or fines or a combination of both as punishment for crimes instead of “Ta’zir flogging.”

The concept of “Ta’zir” allows judges to decide on the form of punishments for crimes which are not specifically outlined by Islamic Sharia law according to the Quran or the Prophet’s word (Hadith).

A document stating Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court's decision to eliminate "Ta'zir flogging", seen by Al Arabiya English, had emerged towards the end of April.

At the time, the Saudi Human Rights Commission (HRC) welcomed the decision, and said: "This decision ensures that those who were once sentenced with floggings, will now receive fines or prison sentences instead. This significant reform was implemented under the direct supervision of King Salman and the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman."


HRC President Awwad al-Awaad said: “This reform is a momentous step forward in Saudi Arabia’s human rights agenda, and merely one of over 70 human rights reforms carried out in the Kingdom over the past five years.”

“Although these reforms improve the lives of a wide range of beneficiaries, including women, workers, youth, and the elderly, they all stem from the same overarching desire to make a better life for all citizens and residents of the Kingdom,” he added.

The decision comes weeks after the Kingdom abolished the death sentence for individuals who committed crimes while still minors under 18 years of age.


For all the latest headlines follow our Google News channel online or via the app.

Read more:

In landmark decision, Saudi Arabia to eliminate flogging punishment

Saudi Arabia abolishes death sentence for convicts who commit crimes as minors

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...-Arabia-abolishes-flogging-as-punishment.html

So even terrorists that committed terrorism while under the age of 18 when their crimes occurred, will face overall mild punishments.

PDF remains the same old joke as always. No wonder that 99.99% of all Arab users have left this irrelevant cesspool and echo chamber of nonsense.

Punishment in the US gets you a 4% chance of being raped in rape cells every year you are in those rape cells. So a 25 year sentence is a sentence to be rape many times in one year.

More men are raped in the US than women, figures on prison assaults reveal
  • In 2008 it was estimated 216,000 inmates assaulted in detention
  • Four per cent of prisoners said they had been sexually abused in 2011
  • Department of Justice introducing regulations to tackle high rates of abuse
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...d-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html

Would you rather live in a country where there is a 4% of being flogged if punished, or a 4% chance of being raped. Who is modern and civilized and who are the barbarians.

Amerikans are worse than Indians in regards to rape.

This 'let's bring Muslims into the 21st century culture' is a scary clown movie, Muslims were already civilized. It is the West who are the barbarians. Wherever the US goes, radical Muslims pop up from nowhere. The CiA recruits and radicalizes normal Muslims to do their CiA dirty work as agents of Chaos. Conservative Islam is not the problem. ISIS founders were trained and armed by NATO. Al Qaeda means the database of assets of US mujaheddin. Radical Islam is the invention of British and later Amerikans. Most of Muslims are modern and civilized.

USA barbarity is promoted in the world and aspects of Islamic civilization is called 'barbarism'.

Haters gonna hate.

It does not matter if Saudis flog or not, what matters is flogging as a punishment is not wrong, the same in the West for spanking. If you spank, you are considered uncivilized. The Roman Empire had parents who could spank were they uncivilized. If you support Child Protective Services in the US, where kids are taken from the parents and put in homes where they are killed, or sexually abused, that sexual abuse from CPS is modernity. Western Modernity is sick and evil. Modernization is not evil. Muslims used to be the most modern, technologically advanced and civilized people in the world.

Western Modernity is barbarism, traditional non-radicalized Islam is not barbarism.

There are many things wrong about the Saudis, most of them are British and Western influences. There is no reason to become radicalized over the excesses of Western gluttony, there is something wrong when they shame traditional people around the world and the barbarians tell the traditional people, they are the problem. This is nothing more than bullying.

I am a secular modernist, however the bullying of traditional people and cultures I can spot from a mile away.

Saudis have the right to flog or not to flog that is their choice. To say flogging is wrong, is wrong.

KSA never gave a crap about what the West thinks. If we did, we could have altered our customs, alphabet, culture and adopted foreign ones, including political ideologies, like most others in the region have done.

We have the oldest continuous native linguistic, territorial, religious etc. cultural continuation of any entity in the region.
 
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Saudis heading in the wrong direction.

So bulldozing people's homes in Palestine and snipering Palestinian medics is modernity. However, flogging people as a punishment is not modernity. Then modernity is retarded.

Both have no place today. Lets not justify one thing wrong with another thing wrong.
 
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Whats wrong with flogging? Better then paying large sums of money to feed and house criminals that will most likely repeat the crime when they are released or worse meet contacts in jail that make them bigger criminals. Also with corona virus outbreak.....jails are very vulnerable to outbreaks.

I'd rather be flogged then spend time in Pakistani jails.
 
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More obsession about KSA's internal judiciary laws as usual even though KSA has one of the lowest crime rates in the world, nowhere near close to the highest number of executions on an annual basis (184 people in a nation of 35 million - the horror) nor was flagellation in KSA ever used as anything more than a humiliation type of punishment rather than as a punishment that was/is intended to cause grave or serious physical harm. When somebody farts in KSA it becomes world news. Nothing new, either.

Lashing an Iranian for desecrating the Holy Mosque in Madinah, Saudi Arabia by urinating inside the mosque.


A long list of countries from Europe, the Americas, Africa to Asia have been using flag (in its severe form unlike in KSA in the past) and are still using it today.

In countries like Singapore and Malaysia it is a legacy of the British and was/is much more serious.


No need to mention the likes of Iran either and many majority Muslim nations.


flogging1.png


LashingIran.jpg



Old news as well.



Don't tell it to that Arabized and Turkified Anatolian/Albanian (or whatever he is) or that the host country (Pakistan) of this forum uses that punishment and a host of countries in the region and even numerous non-Muslim countries as far away as Singapore which is a 100 times more developed country than Turkey.



Turks are some of the last people on earth to be talking about "19th century" given your history. The whole world is well aware of the most recent genocides that you committed in the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide

Erdogan seems to be living in the 19th century as well given his failed Neo-Ottoman fairytale dreams and failed as well as deluded geopolitical projects.

In the real world KSA's HDI (Human Development Index) is way ahead of Turkey. KSA's economy is bigger. The average GDP per capita (nominal) is light years ahead, KSA's universities are ranked higher, the infrastructure is superior, health care system, education level, living standards etc.



Yes, the world should follow Turkey's lead, the country that jails the most journalists in the world.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2019/01/16/turkey-leads-the-world-in-jailed-journalists



Nonsense. What does a Bangladeshi user, that most likely cannot even count to 10 in Arabic, have of knowledge about Saudi Arabian politics, dynamics etc. (let alone that of the Arab world or region)? Zero is the answer. I suggest focusing on internal Bangladeshi affairs under the Hasina regime or worrying about saving your brethren in Myanmar that face slaughter and displacement. That and waiting for the next deportation of illegal Bangladeshis/Rohingyas arriving back home from KSA.

Saudi Arabia abolishes “Ta’zir flogging” as punishment
821cc244-0bc9-4f4f-b38b-45abd7f21bff_16x9_600x338.jpg

(Shutterstock)


Ta’zir flogging” as a form of punishment, the Ministry of Justice said on Tuesday.

“Prison [sentences] or fines or both will be some of the alternative sentences to replace flogging. Courts will hear and evaluate cases and make sound decisions regarding each case,” the ministry said on Twitter.


The Minister of Justice, Waleed al-Samaani, issued a circular to all courts informing them of the Supreme Court’s decision: Courts should issue prison sentences or fines or a combination of both as punishment for crimes instead of “Ta’zir flogging.”

The concept of “Ta’zir” allows judges to decide on the form of punishments for crimes which are not specifically outlined by Islamic Sharia law according to the Quran or the Prophet’s word (Hadith).

A document stating Saudi Arabia's Supreme Court's decision to eliminate "Ta'zir flogging", seen by Al Arabiya English, had emerged towards the end of April.

At the time, the Saudi Human Rights Commission (HRC) welcomed the decision, and said: "This decision ensures that those who were once sentenced with floggings, will now receive fines or prison sentences instead. This significant reform was implemented under the direct supervision of King Salman and the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman."


HRC President Awwad al-Awaad said: “This reform is a momentous step forward in Saudi Arabia’s human rights agenda, and merely one of over 70 human rights reforms carried out in the Kingdom over the past five years.”

“Although these reforms improve the lives of a wide range of beneficiaries, including women, workers, youth, and the elderly, they all stem from the same overarching desire to make a better life for all citizens and residents of the Kingdom,” he added.

The decision comes weeks after the Kingdom abolished the death sentence for individuals who committed crimes while still minors under 18 years of age.


For all the latest headlines follow our Google News channel online or via the app.

Read more:

In landmark decision, Saudi Arabia to eliminate flogging punishment

Saudi Arabia abolishes death sentence for convicts who commit crimes as minors

https://english.alarabiya.net/en/Ne...-Arabia-abolishes-flogging-as-punishment.html

So even terrorists that committed terrorism while under the age of 18 when their crimes occurred, will face overall mild punishments.

PDF remains the same old joke as always. No wonder that 99.99% of all Arab users have left this irrelevant cesspool and echo chamber of nonsense.



KSA never gave a crap about what the West thinks. If we did, we could have altered our customs, alphabet, culture and adopted foreign ones, including political ideologies, like most others in the region have done.

We have the oldest continuous native linguistic, territorial, religious etc. cultural continuation of any entity in the region.

You write too much for nothing. Must be either a paid shill or get easily riled up.
 
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Erdogan seems to be living in the 19th century as well given his failed Neo-Ottoman fairytale dreams and failed as well as deluded geopolitical projects.

Yeah, Erdogan is living in fairytale dreams. Just like the Saudi Dynasty kept its people in a fairytale dream for many years. It's time to wake up already. Otherwise, there will be no community for 20-30 years in Mecca to pray. Idiots...
 
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