Sartaj Aziz on Shimla Agreement - No longer relevant - to solve Kashmir "bilaterally"

[Muji.Iqbal]

 

[Zarvan]

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War was, is and always will be the only solution. Only thing is you need balls for that, and I don't expect our leadership of all domains to every show that. In this even Imran Khan never showed intention.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

War was, is and always will be the only solution. Only thing is you need balls for that, and I don't expect our leadership of all domains to every show that. In this even Imran Khan never showed intention.

Well, Sir. We are not ready to go for a full blown war with India.

We need to focus on 1) Economy 2) Education 3) Standard of Living

4) Proper Governance - Get One Party State System from China or German democracy from Japan.

Using force to get Kashmir - Fine. But we also need to prove to the OIC and the UN why we are morally, legally, and diplomatically correct on Kashmir

War was, is and always will be the only solution. Only thing is you need balls for that, and I don't expect our leadership of all domains to every show that. In this even Imran Khan never showed intention.

Yes, but we need China to also go to war with India. That would turn the odds against India in a conventional war.

We can make deals with China, they too can get more land from Kashmir dispute than just Aksai Chin.

 

[Jango]

Kashmir is gone from our hands, accept it or not.

Their best choice is now to be an independent country somehow.

 

[surmabhopali]

War was, is and always will be the only solution. Only thing is you need balls for that, and I don't expect our leadership of all domains to every show that. In this even Imran Khan never showed intention.

So you are going for war ?
You look to be a guy with the special ball which is needed for war , but i suspect this ball will become a valve as soon as war starts .

 

[Jaeger]

War was, is and always will be the only solution. Only thing is you need balls for that, and I don't expect our leadership of all domains to every show that. In this even Imran Khan never showed intention.

Give us a scenario, where and how Pakistan is able to win a war against India without being obliterated in the process ?

 

[ziaulislam]

Well, Sir. We are not ready to go for a full blown war with India.

We need to focus on 1) Economy 2) Education 3) Standard of Living

4) Proper Governance - Get One Party State System from China or German democracy from Japan.

Using force to get Kashmir - Fine. But we also need to prove to the OIC and the UN why we are morally, legally, and diplomatically correct on Kashmir


Yes, but we need China to also go to war with India. That would turn the odds against India in a conventional war.

We can make deals with China, they too can get more land from Kashmir dispute than just Aksai Chin.

But Pakistan has had one party system since 1983 i.e military govt or PMLN govt
In 2008 decision was made clear that it's going to be PMLN in punjab (hence center) and PPPP in Sindh

The military spoiled that one party plan by decimating PMLN in 2018

Then again there was prospect of long stable PTI rule which military again decimated

 

[Zarvan]

Kashmir is gone from our hands, accept it or not.

Their best choice is now to be an independent country somehow.

Even that can't happen without us. Kashmir gone or not doesn't matter. Things in this world change overnight. If you are ready to give up Kashmir which is under India's occupation than be ready to give Azad Kashmir also. Because if not Modi than next joker Yogi wll come for that. And they now dream of Akhand Bharat and the way these nut jobs are acting even if our leadership shows incompetence, we would be left with no choice then to fight. Yes, things look dark at this time, but war was, is and always will be only option and soon even if you want to avoid it, India will make sure that you can't.

Give us a scenario, where and how Pakistan is able to win a war against India without being obliterated in the process ?

Yes, we can get obliterated but so would you. We accept our deaths do you accept a nuclear holocaust? It would be end of life of face of the earth.

So you are going for war ?
You look to be a guy with the special ball which is needed for war , but i suspect this ball will become a valve as soon as war starts .

Mr this time there will be either our victory or INSHALLAH end of life at least in South Asia.

Well, Sir. We are not ready to go for a full blown war with India.

We need to focus on 1) Economy 2) Education 3) Standard of Living

4) Proper Governance - Get One Party State System from China or German democracy from Japan.

Using force to get Kashmir - Fine. But we also need to prove to the OIC and the UN why we are morally, legally, and diplomatically correct on Kashmir


Yes, but we need China to also go to war with India. That would turn the odds against India in a conventional war.

We can make deals with China, they too can get more land from Kashmir dispute than just Aksai Chin.

We need to do both simultaneously.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Yes, we can get obliterated but so would you. We accept our deaths do you accept a nuclear holocaust? It would be end of life of face of the earth.

 

[third eye]

Even that can't happen without us. Kashmir gone or not doesn't matter. Things in this world change overnight. If you are ready to give up Kashmir which is under India's occupation than be ready to give Azad Kashmir also. Because if not Modi than next joker Yogi wll come for that. And they now dream of Akhand Bharat and the way these nut jobs are acting even if our leadership shows incompetence, we would be left with no choice then to fight. Yes, things look dark at this time, but war was, is and always will be only option and soon even if you want to avoid it, India will make sure that you can't.


Yes, we can get obliterated but so would you. We accept our deaths do you accept a nuclear holocaust? It would be end of life of face of the earth.


Mr this time there will be either our victory or INSHALLAH end of life at least in South Asia.


We need to do both simultaneously.

War has never solved any territorial dispute, nor ever will.

Why should there be an Indo-Pak war? Pak is doing a splendid job of whittling itself away. One has only to wait to get desired results.

Japan did not get obliterated in 45, at best two cities did. The nation pulled itself together over time.

 

[Zarvan]

War has never solved any territorial dispute, nor ever will.

Why should there be an Indo-Pak war? Pak is doing a splendid job of whittling itself away. One has only to wait to get desired results.

Japan did not get obliterated in 45, at best two cities did. The nation pulled itself together over time.

And you think we would drop nukes on just two cities?

 

[third eye]

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Can you share a link to the remark that formed the title of this thread ?

 

[Krptonite]

And you think we would drop nukes on just two cities?

You think 200 nuclear bombs are enough to kill all?

They are a defensive measure, not an offensive one.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Even that can't happen without us. Kashmir gone or not doesn't matter. Things in this world change overnight. If you are ready to give up Kashmir which is under India's occupation than be ready to give Azad Kashmir also. Because if not Modi than next joker Yogi wll come for that. And they now dream of Akhand Bharat and the way these nut jobs are acting even if our leadership shows incompetence, we would be left with no choice then to fight. Yes, things look dark at this time, but war was, is and always will be only option and soon even if you want to avoid it, India will make sure that you can't.


Yes, we can get obliterated but so would you. We accept our deaths do you accept a nuclear holocaust? It would be end of life of face of the earth.


Mr this time there will be either our victory or INSHALLAH end of life at least in South Asia.


We need to do both simultaneously.

Even after 75 years of practice, Pakistan can still suffer damage from certain things by doing wrong things.

The majority of Pakistan's issues stem from the establishment's and army's fake threat messaging during the previous 75 years.

Pakistan is killing itself because of its infatuation with the fake security concerns coming from India and about Kashmir, but India will either act or not. Since 1965, Kashmir has effectively been a lost cause for Pakistan. However, as long as the Pakistani army wants to hold the highest office, they will keep spreading lies about national security.

In history, India never attack on Pakistan at first, and after nuclear scenarios, almost India "99%" will never take any chance first.

Just like " kashmir benega pakistan" , Indian politicians say "PAK kashmir lekar rahenege".............. just for politically related things and vote politics........................... both are not even close to ground reality and will never be happened now.

 

[waz]

The Pakistani military hierarchy has given up on Kashmir. There’s no point bringing them or politicians into it.
Right now Pakistan is in its greatest mess since 71 and that’s saying something.
India just sits back and laughs. or smiles.