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France warning of war with Iran



French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner says the world should prepare for war over Iran's nuclear programme.

"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," Mr Kouchner said in an interview on French TV and radio.

Mr Kouchner said negotiations with Iran should continue "right to the end", but an Iranian nuclear weapon would pose "a real danger for the whole world".

Iran has consistently denied it is trying to acquire nuclear weapons but intends to carry on enriching uranium.

Mr Kouchner also said a number of large French companies had been asked not to tender for business in Iran.

EU sanctions

"We are not banning French companies from submitting. We have advised them not to. These are private companies."

"But I think that it has been heard and we are not the only ones to have done this."

He said France wanted the European Union to prepare sanctions against Iran.

"We have decided that while negotiations are continuing to prepare eventual sanctions outside the ambit of UN sanctions. Our good friends, the Germans, suggested that," he said.

Until now the Security Council of the United Nations has imposed economic sanctions on Iran, but did not allow for military action.

The United States has not ruled out a military attack against Iran to prevent it from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

BBC NEWS | Middle East | France warning of war with Iran
 
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Who does France think they are. They are officially out of their mind. They are about to have some problems :pakistan:
 
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Sadly, Iranians are the ones who are having problems! Truth is if a war breaks out we all will just let them be crushed. The whole world is at Irans neck even though we know they are innocent!!!
 
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Sadly, Iranians are the ones who are having problems! Truth is if a war breaks out we all will just let them be crushed. The whole world is at Irans neck even though we know they are innocent!!!

What is the crime of which they are innocent?
 
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No way. Do you honestly think that Russia will sit back and watch US take all the oil and China will not support Iran in jamming sateilites etc. No one has the power and ability to touch Iran specially someone like France. Iran has every right to develop nuclear power be it for civillian enrichment or military purposes and no one can stop them. :police:
 
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No way. Do you honestly think that Russia will sit back and watch US take all the oil and China will not support Iran in jamming sateilites etc. No one has the power and ability to touch Iran specially someone like France. Iran has every right to develop nuclear power be it for civillian enrichment or military purposes and no one can stop them. :police:

Russia will do what they did with Iraq.....Absolutely nothing.......

America will not put troops on the ground because it would be in a bigger mess than the one it is already in Iraq.
 
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No way. Do you honestly think that Russia will sit back and watch US take all the oil and China will not support Iran in jamming sateilites etc. No one has the power and ability to touch Iran specially someone like France. :police:

France is a part of Nato and it individually can do lot more than you give credit to.

In a hypothetical scenario, it can make a maze in iran of nuclear explosions.

Its aircraft carrier is a credible one and iran cannot even dream of touching that carrier.

Iran has every right to develop nuclear power be it for civillian enrichment or military purposes and no one can stop them.
Yes, iran has every right for nuclear power, not nuclear bomb power. There is a very thin line and this is what the whole fight is about. When nuclear power is much much more costly than oil power for iran and that oil is sufficient for iran for a minimum of 50 years, why do they so seriously want nuclear power? ans: nuclear bomb power.

All the countries have seen through this iran's game.

Not for military purposes, it has signed the NPT as a non-nuclear state.
 
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France is a part of Nato and it individually can do lot more than you give credit to.

In a hypothetical scenario, it can make a maze in iraq of nuclear explosions.

Its aircraft carrier is a credible one and iraq cannot even dream of touching that carrier.


Yes, iraq has every right for nuclear power, not nuclear bomb power. There is a very thin line and this is what the whole fight is about. When nuclear power is much much more costly than oil power for iran and that oil is sufficient for iran for a minimum of 50 years, why do they so seriously want nuclear power? ans: nuclear bomb power.

All the countries have seen through this iran's game.

Not for military purposes, it has signed the NPT as a non-nuclear state.

Buddy bhangra I was talking about Iran not Iraq. And I am not giving France enough credit because France is filled with Muslims and they take to the streets if France doesn't mind their own business.:pakistan:
 
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Buddy bhangra I was talking about Iran not Iraq. And I am not giving France enough credit because France is filled with Muslims and they take to the streets if France doesn't mind their own business.:pakistan:

oops i was talking about iran all the time, no iraq in that post. i will make amends.
 
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Buddy bhangra I was talking about Iran not Iraq. And I am not giving France enough credit because France is filled with Muslims and they take to the streets if France doesn't mind their own business.:pakistan:

3% of the population isn't that big a number. Of course...with their higher birthrates and all...they will increase considerably in the future...but that i guess is part of another discussion.
 
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Yes, iran has every right for nuclear power, not nuclear bomb power. There is a very thin line and this is what the whole fight is about. When nuclear power is much much more costly than oil power for iran and that oil is sufficient for iran for a minimum of 50 years, why do they so seriously want nuclear power? ans: nuclear bomb power.

All the countries have seen through this iran's game.

Not for military purposes, it has signed the NPT as a non-nuclear state.

who decides who can and can't have nukes countries that have them.
If the americans attack oil will touch way over few hundred bucks a brl.in return what that means to americans is economy hits the dirt.they are already in big trouble and i mean big trouble as we talk.oil touching for 10 or 20 dollars a gallon kiss the american economy good by.
AMerican housing market has already crashed.


September 15-16, 2007
Plummeting Dollar, Credit Crunch...

Final Stop: Soup Kitchen U.S.A.

By MIKE WHITNEY


The days of the dollar as the world’s “reserve currency” may be drawing to a close. In August, foreign central banks and governments dumped a whopping 3.8 per cent of their holdings of US debt. Rising unemployment and the ongoing housing slump have triggered fears of a recession sending wary foreign investors running for the exits. China, Japan and Taiwan have been leading the sell off which has caused the steepest decline since 1992.

To some extent, the losses have been concealed by the up-tick in Treasuries sales to US investors who’ve been fleeing the money markets in droves. Investors have been trying to avoid the fallout from money funds that have been contaminated by mortgage-backed assets. Naturally, they bought US government bonds which are considered a safe bet. But that doesn’t change the fact that the dollar’s foundation is steadily eroding and that foreign support for the dollar is vanishing. US bonds are no longer regarded as a “safe haven”.

The dollar slumped to a 15 year low against 6 of its most actively traded peers and set the stage for an early morning market rout on Wall Street.

Foreign investment and currency deregulation has been a real boon for the stock market which thrives of a steady flow of cheap capital. It’s also been good for ravenous consumers who like to borrow boatloads of low interest cash for their toys, SUVs and McMansions.

Of course, when things seem too good to last---they usually don’t. The economy is contracting; credit is getting tighter, and the stock market is flailing about aimlessly. As capital flight accelerates; interest rates in the US will rise, unemployment will mushroom, and the dollar will fall. It can’t be avoided. American markets and consumers will be compelled to curb their appetite for cheap foreign credit.
Overseas investors own more than $4.4 trillion in US debt in the form of bonds and securities. Even if they sell only 25 per cent of that sum, the US would feel the pinch of hyper-inflation. For the last decade foreigners have been eager to by our Treasuries and equities---gobbling up America’s enormous $800 billion current account deficit and keeping demand for the dollar artificially high. But just like the subprime mortgage holder whose “teaser rate” has suddenly expired; the US now faces the painful adjustment of higher payments and less discretionary income for indulgences.
Maybe the charade could have carried on a bit longer if not for the belligerent Bush foreign policy that has alienated friends and foes alike. But, then, maybe not. After all, the Fed’s loose monetary policies added to Bush’s extravagant spending---$3 trillion added to the National Debt in just 6 years--- doomed the country from the beginning. Deficit spending has been the central organizing principle from day

1. Now comes the hangover.
Federal Reserve chairman Bernanke is expected to drop the Fed funds rate on September 18. The move will provide more “easy credit-crack” for the addicts on Wall Street but it could also trigger a run on the dollar. That’s what keeps the Fed chief up at night.

The Bush Team was warned repeatedly by the Bank of International Settlements, the World Bank, the IMF and the European Central Bank that its policies were “unsustainable” and would end in an economic meltdown. But they brushed aside the warnings with the same casual indifference as they did the critics of the war in Iraq.

Why would they care if the country suffered? Their friends would still get their unfunded tax cuts. Their private armies and “no bid” contractors would still get their payola. The Democrats would still cave in on the enormous “off budget” war spending. And, they’d still be able to print as much counterfeit money as they chose until every last copper farthing was drained from the public till.

No worries. Besides the media would mop up the mess they’d made with their usual “happy talk”. As the economic calamity unfolds, we can expect to see the usual parade of lacquer-haired phonies on the Business Channel singing the praises of “free markets”. The problems we’re now facing should have been easy to spot for anyone willing to look beyond the empty rhetoric of the TV Pollyannas or their cheerleading co-conspirators at the White House.

It was a hoax. And the seven years of sleepwalking has cost us dearly. Unemployment is up, consumer spending is down, the housing market has slipped into recession, and the stock market is lurching back and forth like an overloaded washing machine. All of this could have been foreseen by anyone with minimal critical thinking skills and a healthy dose of skepticism of government.

Consider this: US GDP is 70 per cent consumer spending. That means that wages have to increase beyond the rate of inflation OR THE ECONOMY CAN’T GROW. It’s just that simple. So how is it that 50 per cent of the American people still believe Bush’s supply side baloney that cutting taxes for the uber-rich strengthens the economy? How does that increase wages or build a healthy middle class. If we want a strong economy wages have to keep pace with productivity so that workers can buy the goods they produce.

Greenspan knows that. So does Bush. But they chose to hide it behind an “easy credit” smokescreen so they could weaken the dollar, off-shore thousands of industries, out-source 3 million manufacturing jobs, fund an illegal war, and maintain the lethal flow of the $800 billion current account deficit into American equities and Treasuries. In truth, there hasn’t been any growth in the economy since Bush took office in 2000. What we’ve seen is an ever-expanding bubble of personal and corporate debt amplified by a “structured finance” system that magically transforms liabilities (subprime loans) into securities and increases their value through leveraging.

That’s it. No growth---just a galaxy of debt-instruments with odd-sounding names (CDOs, MBSs, CDSs, etc) stacked precariously on top of each other. That’s what we call "wealth" in America.

It’s all smoke and mirrors. The financial system has decoupled from the productive elements of the economy and is now beginning to show disturbing signs of instability. That’s why there’s the big blow-off in the bond market. The halcyon days of supplying our armies, funding our markets and building our subprime “ownership society” empire on the backs of foreign creditors is over. The stock market is headed for the landfill and housing is leading the way. Economic fundamentals can only be ignored for so long. The problems began when Greenspan dropped interest rates to 1 per cent in 2003 for more than a year pumping trillions of low interest credit into the economy. This created the appearance of prosperity but it also inflated a massive equity bubble in housing which is now in its death throes. The Fed “rubber stamped” many of the “creative financing” scams which lowered lending standards and turned the subprime fiasco into a $1.5 trillion doomsday machine. Greenspan said this week that he hadn’t anticipated the real estate disaster.

The devastation in real estate is almost too vast to comprehend. The mortgage bubble is roughly $5.5 trillion, and yet, prices have just begun to fall. It’s a long way to the bottom and there’s bound to be plenty of bloodshed ahead. Two million homeowners will lose their homes. 151 mortgage lenders have already gone belly up. Many of the hedge funds—which are loaded with billions of dollars in “mortgage-backed” securities are struggling to stay alive. Perhaps the most shocking projection was made by Yale University Professor, Robert Schiller, who believes that home prices could decline as much as 50 per cent in some of the “hotter markets”. (Schiller’s book “Irrational Exuberance” predicted the dot.com bust before it took place.) The effects on the US economy would be considerable. If other factors come into play---like a stock market crash and a subsequent period of deflation---we could see housing prices descend 90 per cent as they did between 1928 and 1933.

It’s possible.
Typically, housing bubbles deflate very slowly, over a period of 5 to 10 years. Not this time. Credit problems in the broader market are speeding up the pace of the decline. The subprime sarcoma has spread to all loan categories and filtered into the banking system. This is forcing the banks to hoard reserves to cover their potential losses (from CDOs and mortgage-backed bonds “gone bad”). Now, even credit worthy applicants are being turned away on new mortgages. At the same time, “nearly half of borrowers with adjustable rate mortgages were not able to refinance their loans. That’s a major concern for policymakers as an estimated 2.5 million mortgages given to borrowers with weak credit will reset at higher rates by the end of next year.” (Associated Press)

Think about that. It’s no longer just a matter of 40 per cent of loan-types disappearing overnight (Subprime, Alt-A, piggyback, negative amortization, interest only etc). Even people with good credit are being rejected because the banks are hoarding capital. That suggests the banks are in dire straights and hiding losses that are kept off their balance sheets. (more on this later)
So, it’s harder to get a mortgage. And, if you already have one you may not be able to roll it over. This will greatly accelerate the rate of the housing crash. (In fact, the LA Business Journal reported on Sunday that home sales plunged 50 per cent in one month. We can expect to see similar numbers in all the hot spots.)
Dollar Woes

The troubles facing the dollar are as grave as those in housing. The stock market and the teetering hedge funds are counting on an interest rate cut, but they’ve ignored the effects it will have on the greenback. If Bernanke lowers rates, as everyone expects, the bottom could drop out of the dollar. We’re already seeing gold soar to new highs (above $700 per Ounce) That’s an indication of dollar-weakness and a potential sell-off of US Treasuries. If Bernanke lowers rates, the greenback will nosedive.
Author Gary Dorsch explains the potential hazards in his recent article, “Hopes for an Easier Fed Policy Boost the Euro and Copper”:

“Interest rate differentials have played a key role in determining exchange rates. Since the ECB (European Central Bank) began its rate hike campaign in December 2005, the US dollar’s interest rate advantage over the Euro has narrowed from 240 basis points to as low as 70 basis points today. Thus, the Fed can only afford a small rate cut to bail out Wall Street bankers who hold toxic sub-prime debt and avoid tipping the dollar into a free-fall. But that might not be enough to prevent a housing led recession in the months ahead.”

After years of abuse under Greenspan--an $800 billion current account deficit, a $9 billion per month war, and a 13 per cent yearly increase in the money supply---the poor dollar has run out of wiggle-room. If the Fed slashes rates, the mighty greenback will be a dead duck.

Commercial Paper: What You Don’t Know Can Hurt You
Commercial paper is something that is rarely understood outside of the investor class. It is, however, a critical factor in keeping the markets operating smoothly. “Commercial paper is highly-rated short-term notes that offer investors a safe haven investment with a yield slightly above certificates of deposit or government debt. Banks use the money to purchase longer-term investments such as corporate receivables, auto loans credit card debt, or mortgagees.” (Wall Street Journal 9-5-07)

Commercial paper has been vanishing at an alarming rate in the last month. $240 billion has been drained in just the last 3 weeks. (There is $2.2 trillion of commercial paper in circulation in the US) Because CP is “short term”, hundreds of billions of dollars need to roll over (be refinanced) regularly. CP is at the very heart of the credit crisis which has spread through the financial markets and it could result in a massive catastrophe. The large investment banks are in a panic---and that is probably an understatement. Consider this article in the UK Telegraph which provides an eye-popping summary of what is going on behind the scenes.
U.K. Telegraph, “Banks Face 10-Day Debt Time Bomb”: “Britain's biggest banks could be forced to cough up as much as £70bn over the next 10 days, as the credit crisis that has seized the global financial system sparks a fresh wave of chaos.

“Almost 20 per cent of the short-term money market loans issued by European banks are due to mature between September 11 and September 19. Senior bankers fear that they will have to refinance almost all of these debts with funds from their own coffers, putting a further strain on bank balance sheets.

“Tens of billions of pounds of these commercial paper loans have already built up in the financial system, because fear-ridden investors no longer want to buy them. Roughly £23bn of these loans expire on September 17 alone.

“Fears of this impending call on bank credit lines are the true reason that lending between banks has ground to a halt, according to senior money market sources.

“Banks have been stockpiling cash in preparation for this ‘double rollover’ week, which sees quarterly loans expire alongside shorter term debts - exacerbating a problem that lies at the heart of the credit crisis.” (UK Telegraph)

Fortunately, the British still have a few newspapers—like the Telegraph-- that still report the news. That is not the case in the US.

There’s roughly $1.3 trillion in “asset-backed” commercial paper filtering through American markets. These are the notes that are connected to mortgage-backed securities (MBSs) that no one wants and which have NO MARKET VALUE. They are referred to as “toxic waste”. (No one is buying anything remotely connected to real estate CDOs)

Hundreds of billions of dollars of CP has been issued through SIVs (structured investment vehicles) and “conduits” which are affiliates (subsidiaries) of the large banks. The banks have kept these operations hidden from the public, but now they are in the spotlight because they cannot meet their obligations and are stuck with billions of CP that they cannot refinance. (The reader may recall that Enron kept similar “off balance sheets” operations secret from the public before they declared bankruptcy)

The banks are now forced to assume responsibility for the commercial paper held by their affiliates, which means that they need sufficient capitalization to cover the losses.

Sound confusing? Don’t give up, yet!

The bottom line is this: The banks are responsible for hundreds of billions of dollars in commercial paper that probably won’t be refinanced. It is beginning to look like they don’t have the reserves to cover their losses.

That’s why we continue to believe that the banks are in trouble.

According to the Wall Street Journal:


So do the banks and their shareholders have nothing to worry about? Not quite….Negligible losses in August were enough to force the banks to run to the authorities for help. Regulators may decide that the best way to prevent a recurrence is to require banks to hold more capital. They might even limit some types of transactions. Such moves might be good for the economy, but would reduce the bank’s returns on equity. (“Banks Seem Fine—For Now”, WSJ, 9-8-07)

Read carefully and I think you will agree with me that the WSJ is “tipping its hand” and suggesting that the banks needed “more capital” even after “negligible losses.” The predicament is much more serious now.

Bank troubles are never minor. That’s why there has been so much effort put into covering up the real source of the problem. When people lose their confidence in the banks, they lose their confidence in the system. That ends up inciting social turmoil.
Don’t think they’re not aware of that at the White House.

The Likelihood of a Hard Landing

Notwithstanding the imminent shakeup at the major investment banks, the path ahead is poorly lit and full of potholes. The reckless policies of the last 7 years have edged us ever-closer to the inevitable day of reckoning. Professor Nouriel Roubini summed it up best in a recent blog-entry, “The Coming US Hard Landing”:


The forthcoming easing of monetary policy by the Fed will not rescue the economy and financial markets from a hard landing as it will be too little too late. The Fed underestimated the severity of the housing recession, its spillovers to other sectors, and the contagion of the sub-prime carnage to other mortgage markets and to the overall financial markets. Fed easing will not work for several reasons: the Fed will cut rate too slowly as it is still worried about inflation and about the moral hazard of perceptions of rescuing reckless investors and lenders; we have a glut of housing, autos and consumer durables and the demand for these goods becomes relatively interest rate insensitive once you have a glut that requires years to work out; serious credit problems and insolvencies cannot be resolved by monetary policy alone; and the liquidity injections by the Fed are being stashed in excess reserves by the banks, not re-lent to the parts of the financial markets where the liquidity crunch is most severe and worsening. The Fed provided liquidity to banking institutions but it cannot provide direct liquidity to hedge funds, investment banks, other highly leveraged institutions and parts of the credit markets – such as asset backed commercial paper – where the crunch is severe. Thus, the liquidity crunch in most credit markets remains severe, even in the usually most liquid interbank markets.(Nouriel Roubini's Blog)

There are no quick-fixes or “silver bullets” as Bush likes to say. It’ll take years to dig our way out of this mess. In the meantime, there’s little to look forward to except the steady weakening of the dollar, the persistent decline in housing and the looming police-state apparatus that’s supposed to keep us in line while the soup kitchens open.

Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at: fergiewhitney@msn.com




BRITISH BANK GOING BELLY UP.
(Bank seeks takeover as savers push it to brink)
An attempt to organise a takeover of Northern Rock was underway last night as regulators, government and bank officials sought to rescue Britain’s fifth largest mortgage lender before the panic among its customers leaves it beyond salvage.

The crisis-hit lender, which was thrown a lifeline by the Bank of England last week, was braced for a further stampede this morning by nervous savers desperate to withdraw their money in the worst run on a British bank for decades.

Last night, however, the Bank of England boosted hopes that a leading banking group might be persuaded to ride to Northern Rock’s rescue.

The Bank made clear that the loan facility which it has given to Northern Rock – allowing it to continue to remain afloat despite a cash crunch that has left it short of funds – will remain available to any institution that buys the lender.

The unexpected move by the Bank could help to pave the way for a takeover that will save Northern Rock and prevent a further escalation of the crisis.

The siege of Northern Rock’s branches by thousands of its 1.4 million customers nationwide was expected to continue this morning despite new pleas for calm led by Alistair Darling, the Chancellor, and Sir Callum McCarthy, chairman of the Financial Services Authority (FSA).

Between £1.5 billion and £2 billion was pulled out of Northern Rock on Friday and Saturday after news broke of the Bank of England’s intervention. Online withdrawals continued over the weekend in the first known instance of an electronic bank run.

Experts gave warning that the bank may ultimately see withdrawals of as much as £12 billion – half of its total deposits – as customers scramble to secure their funds. The rush will pile pressure on the bank’s management, as well as officials at the Treasury, Bank of England and FSA, to find a quick solution.

David Cameron raised the stakes yesterday after the Chancellor had defended the handling of Northern Rock’s plight by the Government and the Bank of England. The Conservative leader used the crisis to attack the Government’s economic record and blamed Gordon Brown for fostering a culture of reckless lending. Mr Cameron will follow up his attack in a speech today at the offices of KPMG, the audit, tax and financial advisers, in Central London.

Last night’s surprise statement from the Bank on the status of its loan guarantee lifeline will boost hopes that a rescue may be easier to complete than many in the City had believed. “We have agreed that any bidder would be able to take over this facility for any expired term that it left,” the Bank said.

Until last night, the hardline stance taken by Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, over any move that might be seen as bailing out institutions that have been reckless had convinced key City players that Northern Rock’s lifeline would disappear as soon as it was taken over. Confusion was fuelled by the news that a potential eleventh-hour takeover by Lloyds TSB had foundered after the Bank of England said that it would not provide interim support for Northern Rock.

A leading City source said that Northern Rock had not been able to enter talks because it was assumed that the Bank would remove its support as soon as a takeover was agreed. The source added: “They [Northern Rock] have had lots of calls from all over the world . . . But before they can do anything, they have to sort out the inheritability of the credit line.”

Last night the Bank insisted that it had never ruled out a transfer of the guarantees that it has given to Northern Rock to a potential buyer, and said that its statement was intended only to clarify the situation. Lloyds TSB remains a favourite candidate to lead a takeover although last night the bank refused to comment.

Official sources played down weekend reports that Northern Rock might be broken up and its mortgage accounts shared out among other institutions. Speculation that the Newcastle-based bank could quickly become insolvent if its situation further deteriorates was also played down. “If we believed that Northern Rock was not solvent, we would not have allowed it to remain open for business Sir Callum said.


What iam trying to say is adventure days for Americans are over they better smarten up.or they will be in worse shape then USSR was when they broke a part.new power :china:
 
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who decides who can and cant have nukes countries that have them.
If the americans attack oil will touch way over few hundred bucks a brl.in return what that means is usa economy hits the dirt.they are already in big a i mean big trouble as we talk.oil touching for 20 or 30 dollars a gallon kiss the american economy good by.
AMerican housing market is already crashed.
Every thing is alright, but werent we discussing french attacking iran:crazy:
 
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Every thing is alright, but werent we discussing french attacking iran:crazy:

Actually French aren't saying they will attack France.what i posted above shows the troubles Americans are facing.

The world should brace for a possible war over the Iranian nuclear crisis but seeking a solution through talks should take priority, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner said on Sunday.
"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," he said in an interview broadcast on French television and radio.

"We must negotiate right to the end," with Iran, he said, but underlined that if Tehran possessed an atomic weapon, it would represent "a real danger for the whole world."

"We are trying to put in place plans which are the privilege of chiefs of staff and that is not for tomorrow," he said, referring to military plans but stressed that although any attack on Iran was far from taking place, "It is normal for us to plan" for any eventuality.

Kouchner said France wanted the European Union to prepare sanctions against Iran, outside the ambit of the UN Security Council, to force Tehran to forsake its nuclear ambitions.

"We have decided that while negotiations are continuing ... to prepare eventual sanctions outside the ambit of UN sanctions. Our good friends, the Germans, suggested that," he said.

The foreign minister also said leading French companies such as Total and Gaz de France had been urged not to undertake new work or contracts in Iran.

Iran vehemently denies Western allegations it is seeking an atomic weapon, saying its nuclear drive is aimed at providing electricity for a growing population whose fossil fuels will one day run out.

The five permanent Security Council members -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany are due to meet to discuss a new draft UN resolution on sanctions against Iran on September 21 in Washington.

The United States has never ruled out taking military action against Iran but on Friday, Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei brushed off the notion that it could now threaten the Islamic republic.

He said that US President George W. Bush had been defeated in his Middle East plans and would one day stand trial for "atrocities" committed in Iraq.
World should brace for possible war over Iran: France

But you are right iam :crazy: :wave:
 
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If push comes to shove, US can singlehandedly destroy iran. It can without putting a single soldier on the ground, destroy and send it back to stone age.

It is stopping short because of the mess it creates in iran and soudi, due to refugees and stuff.
It can also say, I dont care what will happen of iran but will save only the oil infrastructure and put boots exclusively for them. In short lose nothing.

It does not do this only because of the PR.
 
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If push comes to shove, US can singlehandedly destroy iran. It can without putting a single soldier on the ground, destroy and send it back to stone age.

It is stopping short because of the mess it creates in iran and soudi, due to refugees and stuff.
It can also say, I dont care what will happen of iran but will save only the oil infrastructure and put boots exclusively for them. In short lose nothing.

It does not do this only because of the PR.

OK let me refraise what i said before so you can understand it clearly.
No one is denying Americans have the power to destroy any country they like.but in case of hit on oil producing country Iran that will hurt the oil supply markets Big times .just taking out 4 millions brls/day the Iranians supply to the Europeans it will send oil prices way over 2 to 300dollars/brl.
capital is already flying out of USA by billions and having oil costing 10 to 20 dollars a gallon.American economy will hit the dust in short Iranians will lose in long term Americans will be part of the history.
i hope this will clear it for you.:cheesy:

like the world gives a rats azz you care or not what happens to iran is not going to stop the oil from jumping in price if catagory 1 hurican can add up to few dollars /brl imagine what an attack will do.before the attack on iraq oil was 10 dollras/brl.and hurricans at that speed cant do jack all to oil installations.

I understand Americans being the new best friends of India you cant imagine any thing happening to the formidable Americans.but hate to tell ya pal .the mess they are in today is making of there own.spending like a drunken sailor eventually will catch up.
specially spending the money you never had to finance wars you have no chance in winning and starting a new one you cant afford.i call that recipe disaster or cutting the branch you are sitting on to see if the fruit on the branch could be eaten if it falls on ground.guess who is going to hit the ground first.
 
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