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Sariki Movement in Punjab after Bengal and Balochistan..Do you Support it?

I do strongly agree to split Balochistan in three and any other where it makes sense and a cause...By spliting Punjab would make a sense that at least it is huge imbalanced population in relation to other provinces...by making Sarikies would give a positive competion among other provinces. first of all a bit balance in population among provinces.Sindh province would contribute 15% then Sarikies would contribute 13% of population and too big imbalanced Punjab population would get to 46%...Actually I believe if possible we should split Punajab in three provinces (so ratio of population go all balanced).......I believe it will help Pakistan as then resources distribution(such as problem of floor, coal, electricity with respect to proportion would go otherwise upper punjab get more would be equal...there will be no one manadated government from Punjab always as 15% people would be in another container ...and it will make in some...we actually need some parameter to revise the logical boundaries of our provinces...

No doubt imbalance population among provinces is an issue which also creates unfair allocation of resources. This reason also provokes others to abuse common punjbabies for something they never did but, we can solve this by making provinces on admin bases.

I just have problem with the rise of racism in Pakistan thats why, I am against the creation of any soba on the basis of language. Here we can also see that how easy it is to divide punjab into two provinces but, can any PM or preseident have courage to divide Sindh or Baluchistan.

No, they don't because the political forces in these two provinces are always ready to blackmail Pakistan by their cards of separation from Pakistan. All the political forces in Pakistan needs to put stability of Pakistan first than anything else.
 
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While sitting in UK you pass remarks on local politics which does not make sense at all. Since the seraikis for time being live in the provience of Punjab therefore the offical language of provience will be taught. It is the rule nothing to do with Punjabi dominance this is the stupid assumptions many people have



Now this is the height of stupidity I would expect from self appointed "Leading in exile" from UK.


Zardari is a Baluch and Gilani is Kashmiri.

Then if Serakis complained about being made to study Punjabi then what about those who happen to speak Seraiki despite being non-Seraiki???? This self nullifies your argument.

More provinces on administrative basis instead of linguistic and ethnic basis. And the need of hour for Pakistan is to carve out more economic cities. it is unfair that Baluch make the smallest percentage of Pakistan population but holding back the largest land mass of Pakistan and that too it has become a personal backyard of few landlords.

But We need to recall bro, it was remote people who were having more high-remote vision in Pakistan-Independence movement...It was Chaudhry Rehmat Ali UK based who named this country 'Paksistan (NOW or NEVER)....It was Muhammad Ali who spends year in UK and then helped muslims....Two nations theory applies directly here as well ...punjabis and Sarikis according to my justise...and someone saying as official language (Punjabi of Punjab) need to be imposed on Sarikies, then why this so-called Punjabi langauge should be imposed on Sarikies (who are in more than pashtos and balochis)...Why not imposed on balochis or Pashtos who are 6 or 7 percent, even less than Sariekis..It means only Sarikis should be punished with Punjabi language in Pakistan (WHAT A JUSTICE!) who have imposed as official for Sarikies....

recently pakhtoonkah got recognition on basis of ethnicity then why such a hypocryicy for Sarikiies my God...Do you know all ethnic group new or old, all are supposed to hate the punjabis for eating up their rights...no one wanting to have a kalabagh as, they think it will favor punjabis, they say mostly its head from Punjab (as Punjabis dense population)...
here I have colleagues with Pathan, Sindh orginins...Pathan of Swat said that electricity goes by our area, Sindhis says they are taking our coal...we have diffierences and no ethnic group like Punjabis (I wish may they should be liked as they are muslim brothers but you know they have to review their attitude ...the poisonous air of ethnicity is blowing with the exitence of Pakistan...we need justice among all ethnic group...I support its name should be not base on the ethnicity ONLY if the names for other provinces follow the same suit....May Allah keep us in unity under the umbrella of Islam and Pakistani until Qiamat....but we need to do justice with every one...and I don't like that other provinces should eat up the land of balochis, as they were holding it during the creating of Pakistan...yes we may give them confidence and fulfil their demands as to sacrifice for unity of Pakistan...
 
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You need thir were killing in Rahim Yar khan back in 1990s on the base of Sariky and punjabis differences in Khan pur...I'm no politician bro believe me....It's mostly illetrated people who don't know what's going on with them....
 
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No doubt imbalance population among provinces is an issue which also creates unfair allocation of resources. This reason also provokes others to abuse common punjbabies for something they never did but, we can solve this by making provinces on admin bases.

I just have problem with the rise of racism in Pakistan thats why, I am against the creation of any soba on the basis of language. Here we can also see that how easy it is to divide punjab into two provinces but, can any PM or preseident have courage to divide Sindh or Baluchistan.

No, they don't because the political forces in these two provinces are always ready to blackmail Pakistan by their cards of separation from Pakistan. All the political forces in Pakistan needs to put stability of Pakistan first than anything else.

Thanks to Allah some person has seen the arguments....I'm yelling the same that the administrative units on the basis of some sane parameters (for organisational reasons, for demographic proportion, and mass land proportion) should be created...but it is as impossible to think...since even recently when provinces are renamed on the basis of ethnicity and already all provinces depicts only the ethnicity (racism i say ) so why then discrimination for another creed who have given more share to Pakistan...People of this land even don't know what's going on from 60 years...all Punjabis from upper Punjab are creeping into this belt through Punjab publis service commission or other way ...May Allah help us resovle all the problems of my nations (AMeen!)
 
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I do not support any more provines of ethinc basis, but Pakistan needs better governance.
 
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The Siraiki province and its meaningNo party aiming to get votes of South Punjab can afford to oppose the new provin*ce.
By Khaled Ahmed
Published: March 21, 2012
The writer is Director South Asian Media School, Lahore khaled.ahmed@tribune.com.pk
The movement for a new Siraiki province has gained momentum. No party aiming to get the votes of South Punjab can afford to oppose it. Will the new province be on the basis of language? If that happens then Jhang and Mianwali will get included; but if an administrative unit is created then a non-controversial new federating unit will come into being.

People write it in various ways. ‘Saraiki’ hints at the origin in ‘sarai’ or a ‘break in journey’. Some write it as Seraiki too, but the correct version should be Siraiki. In ‘sarai’, the root ‘sar’ points to physical movement; in Siraiki the root ‘sir’ points to the ‘outer limit’.

Those who get elected to Punjab Assembly from South Punjab live in Lahore, which means the Siraiki division gets less development despite being richer in revenue.

Years ago, the National College of Arts, Lahore, published a remarkably readable book Rethinking Punjab: the Construction of Siraiki Identity, by a promising writer, Hussain Ahmed Khan. He researched the book while he was doing his masters at the Government College Lahore University in 2001.

The book was about the Siraiki speakers of Punjab located in four divisions: Multan, Sargodha, Bahawalpur and Dera Ghazi Khan. But two additional districts, Jhang and Dera Ismail Khan (Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa), also speak the language.

Siraiki speakers love their language and want to be given a separate territorial identity. They cannot be blamed for that. Siraiki is the Punjabi we encounter in our folk classics but no longer understand in central Punjab. The greatest Punjabi poet has to be Ghulam Farid (1845-1901).

Hussain Ahmed Khan discusses the origin of ‘siraiki’. His research tells him that it comes from the Sindhi word ‘siro’, which is supposed to mean ‘north’. Centre in Sindhi is ‘wicholo’ and geographically, it points to the region of Hyderabad.

South in Sindhi is ‘lar’, which obviously points to southern Sindh. ‘Siro’ also points to the Jats, Rajputs and the Baloch who entered Sindh ‘from the north’. The territory of these tribes in the north was named ‘Siro’ from where the word Siraiki originates.

Most scholars are agreed on ‘siro’ as the origin, but Pakistan’s great palaeontologist Professor Ahmad Hassan Dani says it could come from the territory of Sauvira mentioned in the Mahabharata. If you say the word often enough it becomes ‘siro’. In Sindhi, ‘a’ endings become ‘o’ endings.

Hussain Ahmed Khan suggests that Sauvira became ‘Savistan’ with the passage of time and that was elided through popular use into Sehwan, the area where the great sufi shrine of the same name exists today.

What does ‘sauvira’ mean? The prefix ‘su’ is Sanskrit for ‘great’ or ‘good’. And ‘vir’ means ‘man’ or ‘warrior’. Sauvira should mean ‘great warrior’. The region was called by this name in the Mahabharata because of the location here of the first Aryan tribe.

In the Mahabharata, Sauviri was the queen of a Puru king. Her name may point to the region where her dynasty lived.

Puru could point to the early settlement of the Aryans in our part of the subcontinent. Puru originates in the sense of being a ‘city dweller’. The Hindi word for man is ‘purush’ meaning ‘city-dweller’. Cities are named with the suffix ‘pur’ or ‘pura’.

Sauvira becomes shortened to ‘sura’, which means ‘brave warrior’. From ‘sura’ we have the Urdu word ‘surma’ signifying the same sense.

About ‘wicholo’, there is no doubt. It means ‘centre’. It is quite possible that siro means the ‘head’ or ‘the upper end’. In central Punjab, ‘sira’ means ‘the end’ or ‘extreme edge’. Sitting in Sindh, what is now southern Punjab must look like the upper end of Sindh.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 22nd, 2012.


The Siraiki province and its meaning – The Express Tribune

==========================Another related Article from DERA ISMAIL KHAN========================




DERA ISMAIL KHAN:
Hundreds of demonstrators, led by the Nawab of Tank Sadat Khan, rejected the proposal to include Tank in the proposed Seraiki province.

The protest rally, attended by the Bittani, Marwat, Kundi tribes as well as Wazir tribesmen settled in Tank, marched from Pir Sabir Shah Zyarat and reached Traffic Chowk where a public meeting was held.

The Tank-Dera Ismail Khan road was blocked for almost two hours, resulting in traffic jams in Tank city. The participants of the rally were carrying banners inscribed with slogans against the Seraiki province and in favour of a separate ‘Pakhtunistan’ province for Pashtuns.

Sadat Khan told the rally that before the independence of Pakistan, they fought for Tank state against the Sikh and British forces, defeating them.

“Today, the Seraiki community, (which is) a small portion of the population limited to a few towns in Tank, is raising the unjust demand of including tank in the Seraiki province, but we will never accept it at any cost,” he added.He added that if the government is serious in forming more provinces, a separate province starting from Mianwali to Quetta should be made for Pashtuns.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 19th, 2012.

DERA ISMAIL KHAN:
Hundreds of demonstrators, led by the Nawab of Tank Sadat Khan, rejected the proposal to include Tank in the proposed Seraiki province.

The protest rally, attended by the Bittani, Marwat, Kundi tribes as well as Wazir tribesmen settled in Tank, marched from Pir Sabir Shah Zyarat and reached Traffic Chowk where a public meeting was held.

The Tank-Dera Ismail Khan road was blocked for almost two hours, resulting in traffic jams in Tank city. The participants of the rally were carrying banners inscribed with slogans against the Seraiki province and in favour of a separate ‘Pakhtunistan’ province for Pashtuns.

Sadat Khan told the rally that before the independence of Pakistan, they fought for Tank state against the Sikh and British forces, defeating them.

“Today, the Seraiki community, (which is) a small portion of the population limited to a few towns in Tank, is raising the unjust demand of including tank in the Seraiki province, but we will never accept it at any cost,” he added.

He added that if the government is serious in forming more provinces, a separate province starting from Mianwali to Quetta should be made for Pashtuns.

Published in The Express Tribune, March 19th, 2012.
 
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Thanks to Allah some person has seen the arguments....I'm yelling the same that the administrative units on the basis of some sane parameters (for organisational reasons, for demographic proportion, and mass land proportion) should be created...but it is as impossible to think...since even recently when provinces are renamed on the basis of ethnicity and already all provinces depicts only the ethnicity (racism i say ) so why then discrimination for another creed who have given more share to Pakistan...People of this land even don't know what's going on from 60 years...all Punjabis from upper Punjab are creeping into this belt through Punjab publis service commission or other way ...May Allah help us resovle all the problems of my nations (AMeen!)

unfortunately, political parties in Pakistan are ready to divide pakistan on linguistic basis but not any political party is supporting new admin based provinces except PTI and PTI can not do this by its own. they need support from other provinces and politcal parties. the saraiky soba is not only going to strengthen the other ethnic movemnts but will also promote the new movements on ethnic or sect ground in Pakistan.

we can see the signs which initially started with shia, suni then sindhi, punjabi, baloch and pashtoon, now, saraiki, hazara and mohajir.

m scared if we are heading Pakistan towards a civil war like Afghanistan.
 
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Gillani the joker wants a new province coz thts his constituency,..... serieke movement is a farce... im livin in multan right now n nobody cares abt it ... except for my friends dad... coz he wishes coz tht will increase the value of his property... as multan would be the capital of the new province...
 
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The threads title needs to change.

Bangladesh and Balochistan are movements based on independence or in other words entity suggesting split from one whole country.

Seriki movement is not a split from our country. Rather it is the split from Punjab to form as an independent province.
 
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The threads title needs to change.

Bangladesh and Balochistan are movements based on independence or in other words entity suggesting split from one whole country.

Seriki movement is not a split from our country. Rather it is the split from Punjab to form as an independent province.

Pardon me, but I feel it is correct title, as it don't explicity say about independence movement. but these Bengal and Balochistan were initially speaking for their rights and at first instance they were not yelling for independence but the arrogance and ignorance of ruler and fellow country-men forced them to go for more extreme...What I'm afraid is that if it is not resolved then consequences can be extremee.....We all have to recognise that such movement first start at the personal level (When one person feels discimination, discrepency) then many people thinks alike...then they try to speak at local level, then they scream for their rights at high level, but the tragedy of our coutnry is that those who have to resolve the problem at the starting level keep arrogancy, ignoring it...until this little personal movement become at big level....some People even say that one caluse of Pakistan Independence movement was to stay independent country why Sir Sadiq did not follows....We don't stirr from our arrognances and trying to look busy with otherstuff, until problem get worst like Bengal and Balochistan...We just want to suppress the voices and keep silence until an enemy like US and India would take the apportunity and would spend the funds to make these voices more strong...we must have to awake and go for a justice and treating all ethnicities with the same and fair rule...If we agree that name and administriate units needed in Pakistan, then revision of all provinces name sand boundries from the scratch should be done...and if whatever has been isdone is impossible to undo then, please justily follow the same suit for other poor ethnic groups I strong urge and requetst...

Further those who believe that Zardar is using it to increase votebank....then please let me know which politician is not doing the same...look PML-N is distributing laptops in Lahore. Even for the first time in the history, Shahbaz Sharif has delivered speeches in Sariki (which they never did before)

The thing is that every politician want a votebank in alignment with their personal prejudices (as we all are)...so look Nawaz and Musharraf and others ,all were knowing this issue of Sariki movemen (as they were going for 'dhrna' for their right of sharing program on PTV back in 1980s or 90s), but their personal prejudices never allowed to get this way...Even Nawaz Sharif annouced recently that Karachi should be made another 'Mohajir province' in Sindh JUST TO encounter Sariki movement and stop and threat Zardari from their motives of Sarikie province....Question is why Nawaz Sharif did not got the idea to make a new province of Mohagir in Sindh during his stints. It has been kind of threat to Zardari that if you are breaking our supermacy and dominancy over Sariki belt then we will do the same in your Sind...
...Everyone knows about the problem, as it happened back in 1952, when Bahawalpur's staus of Province was withdrawn after it has given its resources to Pakistan...but the thing is that we all hate a change to take place...I don't see any reason to keep it united with upper Punjab....
 
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Im scared if we are heading Pakistan towards a civil war like Afghanistan.


I fear the same that all the provinces should be recreated to avoid civil war, but there is no other way...as we got a country on the basis of religion (which is again a matter of race, ) ...so there were muslims in India who wanted to be in union...sometimes a problem is so sever then for the sake of making it worse is to resolve it to a rather less sever direction....I think we needed to discuss the disadvantages of creating Sarikie province..I don't see ethnic differences a problem because it is implicity exist. If one is denying for Sariki movement just it is causing the ethnic division then I would rather say it discrimination as you already having the same for others...It is not adding to the problem of ethnicity as already five big ethnic group have their own provinces on their basis (like Azad Kashimir, Balochistan, Punjab, Sindh, etc)...





============ Afresh Article Below Please=========================================

Asif Ali Zardari made a spirited defence of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Saturday, putting down a “barrage of false allegations” against him to his commitment to creation of a Seraiki province.MULTAN: President Asif Ali Zardari made a spirited defence of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani on Saturday, putting down a “barrage of false allegations” against him to his commitment to creation of a Seraiki province.

During a meeting with parliamentarians and delegations of People’s Party from Multan division, Mr Zardari cited the “fabrication” of a case against Ali Musa Gilani, the prime minister’s son, in the ephedrine import scam to buttress his assertions about a “witch-hunt against” Mr Gilani.

The President also made a significant statement on the province issue, saying that he had authorised Mr Gilani to begin efforts for “consensus-building” by reaching out to major political players.

“Seraiki province will be created by the present government before the general election and Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani himself will make the announcement,” he said.

The creation of Seraiki province would be a great setback for the PML-N, Mr Zardari observed.

He said since the creation of Pakistan, the Seraiki region had been deprived of its rights and wondered that “if we do not give rights to the people of this area, who will do so”.

“People could join terrorist groups or small political parties by isolating themselves if they are denied their rights. This will weaken the country,” the President remarked. “Creation of a Seraiki province is not a political issue but a matter of safeguarding integrity of the country.” He said that to make the Seraiki province viable there was a need to include some non-Seraiki districts, too.He said although he had ceded presidential powers voluntarily, the chief minister of Punjab was clinging to many ministries.

In reply to a question about loadshedding, he said “we will not go into election until we ensure availability of electricity for 24 hours”.

Asif Zardari said the tribal area of southern Punjab (Rajanpur and Dera Ghazi Khan) would be given the status of “A” area and he had directed the interior ministry to submit a report to him in this regard.


http://dawn.com/2012/04/15/seraiki-...re-polls-pms-son-framed-in-drug-case-zardari/


==============further nice discussions here below before====================

http://www.defence.pk/forums/nation...1-another-province-can-created-punjab-pm.html
 
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/]Zardari permits establishment of Seraiki bank | DAWN.COM
MULTAN: President Asif Ali Zardari on Sunday said that he will advise the government to set up a separate Seraiki bank and asked businessmen and entrepreneurs from south Punjab to submit a formal proposal for it within a week.

During a meeting with businessmen from south Punjab at the Prime Minister House here, the president said the Seraiki bank will address the financial issues of south Punjab businessmen.

He said the banks in the past have been manipulated for political ends and the government aimed at ensuring a financial system that could not be manipulated against political opponents.

Spokesperson to the President, Senator Farhatullah Babar said that while discussing the economy and overall economic situation, the president said that the war on terror and natural calamities had adversely impacted the country’s economy.

He said that he has been actively pleading with the international community for having more trade opportunities.

The president said that the government was aware that power shortage was among the major issues faced by the business community and industrialists.

He said the government was making all efforts to overcome the power crisis by exploring all possible avenues.

The president reiterated his call to the business community to assist the government in rationalising and broadening the tax net to provide relief to the small businessmen and traders and simultaneously to strengthen the economy.

The president said the imprudent reversal of the policies initiated by Shaheed Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto was a major factor for the present day crisis.

The business community not only needs to assist the government in policy formulation process but should also own the economic policies for ensuring their continuity, he said.

He said south Punjab has great potential for the export of fruits and the government was making all efforts to facilitate the growers and exporters of fruits especially of mangoes.

He said the government has also planned to establish Mango Pack House and cold storage common facility centres in Multan.

The president said that limited job opportunities in the area and poverty were the main factors that provided militants and extremists an opportunity to mislead the youth and misuse their talent for their nefarious objectives.

He said in order to honour the aspirations of the people of south Punjab for having their own province, the prime minister has been asked to start consultations with all the political parties for making a separate Seraiki province.
 
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