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Saragarhi Day (12 September 1897)

That's what I'm saying, Pakistanis shouldn't see everything through the prism of religion/sectarian affiliation.


Mercifully Indians have been spared this affliction.



Either way you cut it- a HUGE force was defeated by a minuscule number of warriors.


To not respect the actions of such men is pathetic.

For us they and british were invaders of our lands, why do you expect me to respect them?. Their bravery and efficiency for british damaged the success rates of anti-imperialist people like pashtuns. If i have any respect for a sikh then its bagat singh who resisted occupation instead of serving it.
 
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For us they and british were invaders of our lands, why do you expect me to respect them?. Their bravery and efficiency for british damaged the success rates of anti-imperialist people like pashtuns. If i have any respect for a sikh then its bagat singh who resisted occupation instead of serving it.

What about numerous other sikhs and hindus who died for independence??

are they any less important?
 
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What about numerous other sikhs and hindus who died for independence??

are they any less important?

I dont know much about history and notables of sikhs and sacrifices of sikhs against british.You can share it with me. But here i am talking about sikhs in british indian army. Their bravery and performances for british raj were adversely affecting us pashtuns. Not just sikhs, but also muslim punjabi soldiers and some sell out pathans.
 
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I dont know much about history and notables of sikhs and sacrifices of sikhs against british.You can share it with me. But here i am talking about sikhs in british indian army. Their bravery and performances for british raj were adversely affecting us pashtuns. Not just sikhs, but also muslim punjabi soldiers and some sell out pathans.

Now what have pashtuns done even when british left??
If ppl of subcontinent want to progress,,,we have to forget whether we are sikhs,hindus,muslims,pashtun muslims etc.

This is the only way forward otherwise this place will give rise to numerous other countries
 
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Now what have pashtuns done even when british left??
If ppl of subcontinent want to progress,,,we have to forget whether we are sikhs,hindus,muslims,pashtun muslims etc.

This is the only way forward otherwise this place will give rise to numerous other countries

Then why you people take pride in bagat singh? Think of pashtuns as hundred of thousands of bagat singhs.
There is no honour in boot licking and there is no pleasure in progress that you make by boot licking.
 
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I dont know much about history and notables of sikhs and sacrifices of sikhs against british.You can share it with me. But here i am talking about sikhs in british indian army. Their bravery and performances for british raj were adversely affecting us pashtuns. Not just sikhs, but also muslim punjabi soldiers and some sell out pathans.

Nah, my people resisted British.


Sorry.
 
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Lol in another post you claimed your people helped take down the sikh empire by siding with the british. What a liar lmao

Shut up Jabroni.

My people killed Sikhs during Partition.

An Arain freedom fighter

Punjab's reputation as a loyalist province, which provided the British Indian Army with soldiers and a solid socio-political support base in the form of a dependent landed class, has eclipsed its rather variegated history, which includes heroic tales of resistance to occupation and foreign rule throughout the ages. Thus, for example, Raja Porus, who ruled a principality in northern Punjab in the ancient period, gave stiff resistance to the invading armies of Alexander the Great, but was defeated by the Greeks near Jhelum in 326 BC. The Khatris of Punjab claim him among their ancestors.

According to Kalpana Sahni -- daughter of the famous Rawalpindi-born, Government-College-Lahore-educated Bollywood actor, the late Balraj Sahni, the Khatris of Behra to which their family belongs -- trace their ancestry to Porus. She has narrated this story on the authority of another famous Punjabi Khatri family with a connection to Government College, Lahore, and to Bollywood: Chetan Anand, the noted late Indian filmmaker and elder brother of evergreen, matinee hero Dev Anand.

Then, there is the story of Dulla Bhatti, a Muslim Rajput who led a rebellion against the Mughals during the reign of Akbar. His story has been rendered in both poetry and prose. Rai Ahmed Khan Kharal, claimed both by Muslim Rajputs and Jatts, who took up arms against the British from western Punjab during 1857, is another hero in that tradition.

Closer to our own times, the legend of Bhagat Singh, a Sikh Jatt, has only grown bigger with time, and several Bollywood pictures have been made on that theme. The Kambohs take pride in Udham Singh from their caste who shot dead Sir Michael O'Dwyer, the Punjab governor who originally gave orders for harsh action at Jallianwala, on April 13, 1919. The actual carnage had been ordered on the spot by General Dyer.

However, one great freedom fighter from Punjab whose heroic struggle has not been given proper recognition is Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi. His direct descendant, Maulana Habibur Rahman Sani, who is currently the chief imam of the main Friday Mosque in Ludhiana, in east Punjab, provided me detailed information on him in an interview recorded on Jan 4, 2005, in the courtyard of the mosque.

Maulana Sani's grandfather, Maulana Habibur Rahman, was one of the founders of the Majlis-e-Ahrar, a movement of anti-imperialist nationalist Muslims, who returned to India after spending one day in Lahore in August 1947, arguing that thousands of Muslims remained in east Punjab and they should not be abandoned. That is how that family remained in Ludhiana.

My attention to Maulana Sani was drawn by Baldev Raj Verma, owner of Naseem Hosiery in Ludhiana, whose father, Hansraj, was on the famous Japanese ship, Komagata Maru, in 1914 chartered by Punjabis, mainly Sikhs, to get to Canada. They were refused entry. It resulted in the emergence of the Ghadar Party and the first anti-colonial struggle in early 20th century in Punjab.

Mr Verma informed me that a famous Muslim family of freedom fighters from Ludhiana still lived in the town centre and were in charge of the main mosque, where thousands of Muslims congregated every Friday to pray. Ludhiana is the major industrial city of east Punjab. Indeed workers from all over India come and work there, among them a very large numbers of Muslims from UP and Bihar.

Maulana Habibur Rahman Sani informed me that his family belonged to the Arain biradari (patrilineage). His great, great grandfather, Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi, was the first in Punjab to take up arms against the English East India Company in 1857. He collected a large fighting force, which included Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs, that drove the English out of not only Ludhiana but also Panipat. He then headed to Delhi with his men to support Bahadur Shah Zafar. He fell fighting along with thousands of others at Chandni Chowk in 1857.

In British records Ludhianvi is described as a fiery speaker who exercised considerable influence on the people in that region. Some reports incorrectly describe him as a Gujjar. In any event, the British deprived his family of their property and subjected them to other forms of persecution. The Arains in general were branded as a dangerous group, their lands were confiscated and they were excluded from recruitment in the army; hence their classification as a non-martial group.

However, his descendants continued to support revolutionary struggles and both the Ghadar Party and later Bhagat Singh's associates were aided by them. They also helped Subhash Chandra Bose cross Punjab safely into the North-West Frontier Province. The Tribune, Chandigarh, of Jan 7, 2001, carried a story on the anti-imperialist services of that family.

It is worth remembering that the British adopted similar harsh measures against the Bengalis and Biharis, and some tribes and castes from UP that took part in the Uprising of 1857. They were also declared unfit for military service. Therefore, excluding Arains from the army was consistent with British policy on rebellious tribes and castes.

However, in the ancient, Mughal and Sikh periods, Arains had held prominent positions, such as governors and army generals. Many gotras, or sub-clans, of the Arains bear names that indicate soldiering as an occupation. For example: Ghalar, Gahgeer and Goheer (ferocious horse of armoured corps), Gatku (fencer), Kavali (soldier patrolling while others rest), Basroo (observation post), Bahman (brave, uncontrollable or insurmountable), Bhaila (alms-keeper who walks with the commander when he is giving away alms after a victory), Daulay (those who got land in return for military services), Khatora (spy), Ramay (archers), Rattay (bloody, red, ferocious fighters), Ramday (red -eyed soldiers), Labanay (an army column equipped with batons), Jatalay (victors), Qutub Shahi: (soldiers or their offspring who accompanied Qutubuddin Aibak), Sappal (marksmen), Bahalwan (driver of a chariot), Mudh (logisticians supplying logistics and reinforcement to the army), Teerandaz (archers), Katarband (users of katar, a weapon used by ancient armies) and Bhutto (dwellers of high places).

It would be interesting if some filmmaker in Pakistan could depict the saga of Shah Abdul Qadir Ludhianvi on the silver screen. It would be important to contact his family in Ludhiana for more details, but more importantly the script should remain faithful to the true legacy of that great man. He was by no means a religious fanatic, although he described his struggle against the British as jihad. He was a patriot who joined hands with all communities in the first major struggle against the colonial takeover of the subcontinent.

An Arain freedom fighter

Suck it, Indian lover.
 
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Actually as a punjabi he is proud of this achievement of sikhs over pashtuns. He tagged pashtun members in a taunting way that look sikhs humiliated pashtuns big time.

Imran is a Baluch sir, see past your hatred for Punjabis.
 
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Imran is a Baluch sir, see past your hatred for Punjabis.

He is from south punjab, balochs there are so mixed that they are genetically similar to punjabis.
Ask your friend imran khan why he is happy over achievement of sikhs over pashtuns?. Every one here is aware of his strong dislike for pashtuns.
 
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Details of the Battle of Saragarhi are considered fairly accurate, due to Gurmukh Singh signalling events to Fort Lockhart as they occurred.
  • Around 9:00am, around 10,000 Afghans reach the signaling post at Saragarhi.
  • Sardar Gurmukh Singh signals to Col. Haughton, situated in Fort Lockhart, that they are under attack.
  • Colonel Haughton states he cannot send immediate help to Saragarhi.
  • The soldiers decide to fight to the last to prevent the enemy from reaching the forts.
  • Bhagwan Singh becomes the first injured and Lal Singh is seriously wounded.
  • Soldiers Lal Singh and Jiwa Singh reportedly carry the dead body of Bhagwan Singh back to the inner layer of the post.
  • The enemy breaks a portion of the wall of the picket.
  • Colonel Haughton signals that he has estimated between 10,000 and 14,000 Pashtuns attacking Saragarhi.
  • The leaders of the Afghan forces reportedly make promises to the soldiers to entice them to surrender.
  • Reportedly two determined attempts are made to rush open the gate, but are unsuccessful.
  • Later, the wall is breached.
  • Thereafter, some of the fiercest hand-to-hand fighting occurs.
  • In an act of outstanding bravery, Ishar Singh orders his men to fall back into the inner layer, whilst he remains to fight. However, this is breached and all but one of the defending soldiers are killed, along with many of the Pashtuns.
  • Gurmukh Singh, who communicated the battle with Col. Haughton, was the last Sikh defender. He is stated to have killed 20 Afghans, the Pashtuns having to set fire to the post to kill him. As he was dying he was said to have yelled repeatedly the Sikh battle-cry "Bole So Nihal, Sat Sri Akal" (Victory belongs to those who recite the name of God with a true heart).




Now thatz something.... learnt a new chapter today..... THANKZ for posting....
 
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