Salman Taseer's Daughter Speaks Out.

[nightcrawler]

@Myth-buster

I just term the westernized education as secular because religion is separated from all subjects. Like they want us to learn humans evolved from monkeys and so many stuff that contradicts our religion and so many irrelevant stuff which does not benefits the society. Plus Pakistan must develop its own education system which will benefit them on the long run other then fallow a system which is part of a New World Order system.

Though not completely but partially I do disagree with your statement.
The point being that education was once in our hands & was then taught to nonMuslims & they were never offended by education coming from Muslims rather they used this mighty tool to overthrow us & now why we are feeling kind-off irked by acquiring western education; no doubts they has superseded us just admit it.
Now regarding religion in education:
Religion mustnt be taught as a separate subject as the essence of religion is totally down-treaded. Look at our student they merely memorise Islamiyat not that they are practicing Muslims but because it carry marks & d also admit there is no grantee that a person getting 100% in Islamiyat too is a good Muslim.
Solution is that firstly no differentiation [as you have pointed out] must be made b/w worldly & or religious education. Education remains knowledge which musnt not be differentiated & classified.
Religion must be fused & distributed & embedded within Science Maths & any possible subject most importantly Biology. This way religion isn't meant to be just memorized but be understood in a much more effective & modern way. Also clearly I am against addition marks to be allotted to Hafiz as they merely use their religion for achieving worldly marks. Isn't this strictly Taliban like which too use religion merely for worldly ambitions..

 

[Myth_buster_1]

@Myth-buster

Though not completely but partially I do disagree with your statement.
The point being that education was once in our hands & was then taught to nonMuslims & they were never offended by education coming from Muslims rather they used this mighty tool to overthrow us & now why we are feeling kind-off irked by acquiring western education; no doubts they has superseded us just admit it.
Now regarding religion in education:
Religion mustnt be taught as a separate subject as the essence of religion is totally down-treaded. Look at our student they merely memorise Islamiyat not that they are practicing Muslims but because it carry marks & d also admit there is no grantee that a person getting 100% in Islamiyat too is a good Muslim.
Solution is that firstly no differentiation [as you have pointed out] must be made b/w worldly & or religious education. Education remains knowledge which musnt not be differentiated & classified.
Religion must be fused & distributed & embedded within Science Maths & any possible subject most importantly Biology. This way religion isn't meant to be just memorized but be understood in a much more effective & modern way. Also clearly I am against addition marks to be allotted to Hafiz as they merely use their religion for achieving worldly marks. Isn't this strictly Taliban like which too use religion merely for worldly ambitions..

Prophet Mohammed PBUH has said that education is very important even if you have to go to China. And of course Islam also teaches us that even if your enemy has useful knowledge use it for your own benefit.
I dont have any problem with Pakistanis going abroad for studies unless they bring something back useful to this country. What is wrong is that westernized education in pakistan does not filters out materials that could bring negative impact to our Muslim society. One of My main concern with Pakistani education system is that it only produces obedient students it does not produces creative thinkers! Why should a person's creativity be held back because his thinking is different from the materials he/she is learning? Like for instance our history books are sometimes really bias so what happens if one chooses to question these kind of materials? Do you think our teachers have time to debate with us? No they will give you a big F and probably kick you out of the school or Uni.
This is a whole new subject and can be discussed in another thread and I hope you watched the video I posted.
Btw Pakistani Islamiyat education wont do any good to calm Muslim's nerves and thats not the education I am talking about.

 

[Mutee]

Really? Its the Quran? You mean its a message from God? What does it mean, can you tell us? What is this very important message from Allah himself?

"tumhari leyi tumhara deen or meri leya mera deen"where does it say that use my seen as a cover and start spreading fitna don't know how u plan to use or twist this verse in your favor

 

[Vassnti]

Really? Its the Quran? You mean its a message from God? What does it mean, can you tell us? What is this very important message from Allah himself?

The very important message is his nature,

Ar-Rahmaan
The Compassionate, The Beneficient, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

 

[nightcrawler]

Prophet Mohammed PBUH has said that education is very important even if you have to go to China. And of course Islam also teaches us that even if your enemy has useful knowledge use it for your own benefit.
I dont have any problem with Pakistanis going abroad for studies unless they bring something back useful to this country. What is wrong is that westernized education in pakistan does not filters out materials that could bring negative impact to our Muslim society. One of My main concern with Pakistani education system is that it only produces obedient students it does not produces creative thinkers! Why should a person's creativity be held back because his thinking is different from the materials he/she is learning? Like for instance our history books are sometimes really bias so what happens if one chooses to question these kind of materials? Do you think our teachers have time to debate with us? No they will give you a big F and probably kick you out of the school or Uni.
This is a whole new subject and can be discussed in another thread and I hope you watched the video I posted.
Btw Pakistani Islamiyat education wont do any good to calm Muslim's nerves and thats not the education I am talking about.

So you agree then...COMPLETELY
& btw Prophet PBUH never used the word China

 

[Myth_buster_1]

So you agree then...COMPLETELY
& btw Prophet PBUH never used the word China

Completely agree with what? That we should fallow the New World Order education system like bunch of idiots without questioning?
I think he did mentioned China.

 

[Jigs]

It brings me great hope to see such progressive people like this in Pakistan. I hope they have a greater voice in the future to drown out these bigots and hatemongers who use religion as a way to justify their immoral acts and halt the progress of society. There is no room for these people in the 21 century their ideals are no longer compatible.

 

[Mutee]

Oh this thread us still alive

 

[nightcrawler]

Completely agree with what? That we should fallow the New World Order education system like bunch of idiots without questioning?
I think he did mentioned China.

New World Order education WoW!! you a seriously a conspiracy believer???
No one knew China by name at that time; let alone the God or may be the angels//

 

[Myth_buster_1]

New World Order education WoW!! you a seriously a conspiracy believer???
No one knew China by name at that time; let alone the God or may be the angels//

Yaar you are not getting the point here. The education system was designed by the elites to control the population.
Please watch this video.

Babylon, Rome empire, Pharoah (Egyptian empire) etc are mentioned in the Quran and not all the people knew about these empires during the speared of Islam. And how do you know not a single person knew about China during that time?

 

[mymeaningislion]

main ne bohat logoon ko taseer ko bura kehte suna ha kuch ne us ke himayat be ke ha... par ek cheez log bhole gae ........jana jo be is problem ko samjhna cahata ha pehle nabovat aur us ke taqdass ko samjhe.. agar mere madad chaheye hoye to batana. jane as a muslim i believe i am given life because of PROPHET MUHAMMAD(PBUH) so i wont bear anything against him. so first mistake made by taseer is not what u thaught...actually he on number of times used such language that must not be spoken by a muslim and always remember insan ke amaal us ke mout ke andaz se zahir ho jate hain...mere bahiyon baat krne se pehle ahle ilm loogon ke sohbat ikhteyar karo...aur argument krte waqt ahtteyat karo ye na ho apne kam ilmi main koi asi baat karo jo ALLAHA PAK ke narazgi ga baes banee... koi be masla ho to batana..regards. your friend and brother in islam

 

[nightcrawler]

@Myth_Buster.
Guess what I had already watched it years before & many such....but be don't a child you talk sense why not think sensibly & besides much of our educational textbooks were adulterated not by any external force but by Zia ul Haq

 

[Awesome]

"tumhari leyi tumhara deen or meri leya mera deen"where does it say that use my seen as a cover and start spreading fitna don't know how u plan to use or twist this verse in your favor

The very important message is his nature,

Ar-Rahmaan
The Compassionate, The Beneficient, The One who has plenty of mercy for the believers and the blasphemers in this world and especially for the believers in the hereafter.

In English it being:

To you, your religion, to me mine.

It means I can follow my religion as I want to and if my religion commands me to call it Islam then I will do that too. "Fitna" is a label you have plastered upon Ahmedis.

Fitna being "extreme evil"

Whereas lets face it, calling another religion as Islam may be confusing, but its not really evil.

In direct comparison, converting your religion as an instrument of murder is directly evil.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

@Myth_Buster.
Guess what I had already watched it years before & many such....but be don't a child you talk sense why not think sensibly & besides much of our educational textbooks were adulterated not by any external force but by Zia ul Haq

DUDE for god sake stop blaming Pakistan's ills on one or two politicians! No dough Zia altered textbooks but that has been happening since the first day Pakistan was made. That is not the education system i am talking about. The video that i posted clearly addresses the issue that the New World Order wants a global secular education system. At least Pakistani Muslims deserve education based on Islamic principles. Pakistan is just digesting every western system in the name of modernization. English is made a superior language in Pakistan and people actually take pride in that sh1t no wonder pakistanis still have this slave mentality. our education does not cover social life neither produces good thinkers.