‘Sab ka Kashmir’

[sab]

Any option must include "Unification of Kashmir" in it. Else it is not an option.

 

[Armstrong]

Pakistani from kashmir

What does that mean ?

Khair, I'm a Kashmiri from Pakistan too, brother !

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Possible idea,For it to happen.3 things must happen.Large scaling down of border forces.Total end to infiltration attempts and end of taliban in pak.CBM to ensure no kargil style sneak attempt should happen underhand.
And keep in mind interests of ALL kashmiris not just valley who oppose india primarily,but of jammu and leh who are die hard india.Indian army recruits loyal brave men from dogras and other people from this region who have served for 50 yrs.If any pakistani think we will abandon them to pakistani rule so they can be reduced to the state of second class citizens like hindus in PAK today slowly facing extermination are deluded.Make no mistake about that.Lives were lost on both sides not only pakistani,india too has bled .

 

[President]

there is no united kashmir solution, LOC should be turned to international border

 

[sab]

there is no united kashmir solution, LOC should be turned to international border

LOC should not be International border which permanently divides the Kashmiris.

Get rest of Kashmir or lose it in war or find an acceptable way for all without war to unify kashmir.

 

[doremon]

Requires political maturity bro. South Asians have yet to elect leaders who watch anything other than their own wallets

the problem is not only with our leaders its also with us,frankly speaking we south asian are the worst unpatriotic bastard that ever roamed this earth we only worrry about religion and money

 

[President]

LOC should not be International border which permanently divides the Kashmiris.

Get rest of Kashmir or lose it in war or find an acceptable way for all without war to unify kashmir.

not to have a war I had suggested this solution, you want unification either via war or lose what we already have..this is not a solution

 

[ApparentRaceTraitor]

LOC should not be International border which permanently divides the Kashmiris.

Get rest of Kashmir or lose it in war or find an acceptable way for all without war to unify kashmir.

If balochis, pashtuns, Dukhans, Bengalis etcetra can deal with it, so can Kashmiris....our country does not need to appease one particular group to risk it's security....

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Joe Shearer
what's your take on the genocide description given in #29

I don't get involved in threads relating to Kashmir, and #29 is the reason why. It is the total dishonesty, the manipulation of facts, the distortion of evidence that is so utterly nauseating.

The argument has suddenly become one of the Maharaja's regime's pogroms against Muslims, based largely on the speculations of that section of the Anglo-Indian press that was determinedly in support of the Muslim interest from the outset. Ian Stephens had personal reasons, it is said; I shall not vulgarise the matter by mentioning those. The Anglo-Indian press at that time was smarting at the coming "surrender" to the dhoti-clad babus that they and their manly interlocutors so cordially despised. These reports were not isolated; the British sneered at what was happening at every opportunity, and lost no time in getting to the point: it was unfortunate that the effeminate Hindus and not the manly Muslim was to inherit power. The American journalists were split into two groups, one following the British line, the other an independent one.

It is in Tariq Ali, neither British nor American, that one can find the most damning account of internal developments in the fledgling state of Pakistan. The entire sordid story of the armed thugs unleashed on an unsuspecting Kashmir, ironically ending up killing, looting, raping more Muslims than Hindus, appears there, in partial view. Far more damning evidence appears in dozens of other accounts; it is the custom of some segments to repeat these charges of #29 at spread-out intervals, in the hope that these will finally prevail due to the sheer persistence of putting out these stories.

A little digging around will show that these depraved animals were not faced by any other than fragmented J&K state forces, in several units of which the non-Kashmiri Muslim elements murdered their officers and joined the rabble in the westernmost sections which was a minority in J&K state politics, and was represented, if that is a fair term, by the type of communal bigot that has sway over large segments of Pakistani public opinion today, a type that broke away from Sheikh Abdullah when he changed the name of his organisation to a secular National Conference. The break-away group preferred to remain the Muslim Conference.

The bulk of the fighting was taken up by the state forces of the Mehtar of Chitral, and in the absence of state forces or of Indian forces, they had captured Skardu and Kargil, and were besieging Leh.

The stories of Indian troops having existed in Kashmir even before the accession is based on the nonsensical equation of supposed Patiala state troops in the state. India was not in control of state troops - neither was Pakistan, the Chitral forces having acted on the orders of extra-constitutional authorities, as did the lashkars - and I have not been able to find any trace or record besides the self-pitying accounts of the sort under discussion of the existence of these elements.

The second most interesting aspect of this mess is that Pakistani commentators, of recent years, never before, pleaded that the original instrument of accession is not available. What a pathetic line to take! Hari Singh was alive until 1961; his son is still alive; Mountbatten, who signed the Instrument, was alive until 1979. None of these paper tigers dared raise this ridiculous plea until all the protagonists were dead and gone. But that is not the joke, of course. First we read their sensational accounts of how the Maharaja was an oppressor, and how the masses rose against him (the masses, in this case, being the Punjabi immigrants into Mirpur, and the distinct population of Jammu); then we read that this Maharaja's formal document of accession is not to be found, and never existed. Why so much thought over it when the priapic liberators were, after all, liberating women, assets and anything not nailed down?

This, above, was the second biggest joke. The biggest joke was the virtuous assertion, of ancient standing, that all that Pakistan wanted was a referendum. I recommend to those interested in a little light amusement that they should look through the accounts of the UN body entrusted with holding the referendum to learn the real story.

And these are some of the reasons why I do not participate in threads on Kashmir. The records are clear; that state has not, for a single moment, for a single regime, given up its yearning for Kashmir, and it will do anything, as will its utterly unscrupulous spokespersons, official as well as self-appointed, to egg up its case. There is no point in discussions with such arrant hypocrites. Throughout this period, they have fed stupid young bigots into the sausage machine, and occupied large tracts of Kashmir as they wanted to. The only difference is that they occupy it in depth, shall we say, a depth of approximately six feet.

 

[dabong1]

What does that mean ?

Khair, I'm a Kashmiri from Pakistan too, brother !

sry bro, should have been more specific........family originally from IOK now live in AJK .

 

[ghauri05]

Even with closed borders we have a constant stream of terrorists and minority refugees coming into India, can't imagine what open borders would do.

I liked the fourth solution, it is a win-win situation for every one.
As far as the people you are calling terrorists are coming to india bcoz of kashmir issue,once the issue is resolved there will be no reason for them to enter india. so if you want to stop them away then resolve this issue and most appropriate solution seem to be the 4th one.
One thing more if Kashmir issue is resolved then their will not be any trouble having other border areas to be "opened for each other", As kashmir issue is the bone of contention between 2 countries,if this is resolved every thing will be good for both Pakistan and India

 

[illusion8]

I liked the fourth solution, it is a win-win situation for every one.
As far as the people you are calling terrorists are coming to india bcoz of kashmir issue,once the issue is resolved there will be no reason for them to enter india. so if you want to stop them away then resolve this issue and most appropriate solution seem to be the 4th one.
One thing more if Kashmir issue is resolved then their will not be any trouble having other border areas to be "opened for each other", As kashmir issue is the bone of contention between 2 countries,if this is resolved every thing will be good for both Pakistan and India

Look around the world - these religious nutjobs pick up any reason to kill civilians. You don't have a Kashmir issue in Pakistan - so what's happening there? - even if the Kashmir issue is resolved they will come up with something else - because the premise is war against kaffirs and the religious extremism that's inculcated in them at a young age coupled with poverty and no education.

 

[dabong1]

Show a legitimate link to that claim, an unbiased one. If it was a resolution passed by the ICJ, you would find a link to it on their website. The only websites which claim that nonsense are pakistani ones. The ICJ has not passed any such resolution. On the contrary, ICJ has been actively monitoring the democratic process in Indian kashmir since 1976, incuding the elections.

Please show me a link to the resolution on their website, or any respectable, non partisan media source. These are lies peddled by pakistanis.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Kashmir: The origins of the dispute

As I said before - if the instrument of accession was a forgery, and the maharaja did not actually sign that document, he would have said so himself. He was alive for 14 years more.

dont bite the hand that feeds you......

 

[janon]

BBC NEWS | South Asia | Kashmir: The origins of the dispute

dont bite the hand that feeds you......

Don't use idioms that you don't know, out of context.

The link you gave (in fact I gave you that link earlier) says nothing of what you said, that the ICJ declared the instrument of accession null and void.

When you realize the truth about that, think about other lies you have been taught.

 

[Armstrong]

sry bro, should have been more specific........family originally from IOK now live in AJK .

Ahhh mine too except we live in Lahore !