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We've poured billions into their country, practically gave them blue prints to our industries in spirit of repairing relations , heck, the Emperor even went to visit Korea sometime ago, but have you seen their recent provocations? For me, Korean politics is just too irritating. They will always been the aggravationist; they remind me of Imran Khan to Pakistan's PM Nawaz Sharif. Imran Khan talks much, but he is not leadership potential. Korea is the same for us, and the only reason why Tokyo is giving consideration to this issue of Korea is due to the threat of Pyongyang.

I'm intrigued as to why you say Korea is provocative? It always seemed to me that Korean anger was reactionary to acts/statements made by Japanese politicians. I admit that I don't really follow Korean politics, however, and I wouldn't be surprised if a candidate's "anti-Japan" credentials was a critical component to getting elected. I'm curious to learn things from your/the Japanese point of view. Please explain. :cheers:
 
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I'm intrigued as to why you say Korea is provocative? It always seemed to me that Korean anger was reactionary to acts/statements made by Japanese politicians. I admit that I don't really follow Korean politics, however, and I wouldn't be surprised if a candidate's "anti-Japan" credentials was a critical component to getting elected. I'm curious to learn things from your/the Japanese point of view. Please explain. :cheers:

My statement was not meant to generalize the Korean people as a whole, but the statements / policies of the South Korean Government as of late. Its always been an interest to find an aperture to the maze that is South Korean Politics. For one that is perplexing for us is the consistency of Korean Government to renege on past agreements with Japan. Some 20 years after the end of the 2nd World War, Japan and South Korea had effected re-establish diplomatic relations when both signed the 1965 Treaty of Basic Relations. What's interesting is that in 2005, South Korea disclosed diplomatic documents that detailed the proceedings of the treaty. Kept secret in South Korea for over 40 years, the documents had revealed that Japan provided $500 million in soft loans, and an additional $300 million in grants to South Korea as compensation for the reign of Japan in Korea during the Colonial Epoch. The treaty also specified, which South Korea agreed to, that South Korea would demand no more compensation after the treaty, either at a government-to-government level or an individual-to-government level. South Korean Government used the loans for economic development and have failed to provide adequate compensation to victims, paying only 300,000 won per death, with only a total of 2,570 million won to the relatives of some 8000 victims who died in forced labor. As the result, the Korean victims are now asking and demanding the Japanese Government for compensation; as in the case of the Korean Comfort Women case now. This comfort women issue is a result of this improper handling of the South Korean Government's part.

This is just one example. There are much more, which explains the vex Japanese Government have with South Korea's Leaders.
 
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I'm intrigued as to why you say Korea is provocative? It always seemed to me that Korean anger was reactionary to acts/statements made by Japanese politicians. I admit that I don't really follow Korean politics, however, and I wouldn't be surprised if a candidate's "anti-Japan" credentials was a critical component to getting elected. I'm curious to learn things from your/the Japanese point of view. Please explain. :cheers:

You said this, "I wouldn't be surprised if a candidate's "Anti-Japan" credentials was critical component to getting elected."

You are absolutely correct. In fact this was observed just recently in Seoul. A candidate for Prime Minister of South Korea was Moon Chang-keuk, however, Moon was pressured to resign candidacy to the Prime Minister's Position after he made what Korean Media referred to as "Questionable" comments when Moon said that Japanese Rule of Korea was "God's Will".

Apparently, now, in South Korea, being too friendly or having favorable view of Japan is basis for being sacked. :cheesy:

Read it for yourself:

South Korea struggles to find a prime minister | World news | The Guardian
 
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My statement was not meant to generalize the Korean people as a whole, but the statements / policies of the South Korean Government as of late. Its always been an interest to find an aperture to the maze that is South Korean Politics. For one that is perplexing for us is the consistency of Korean Government to renege on past agreements with Japan. Some 20 years after the end of the 2nd World War, Japan and South Korea had effected re-establish diplomatic relations when both signed the 1965 Treaty of Basic Relations. What's interesting is that in 2005, South Korea disclosed diplomatic documents that detailed the proceedings of the treaty. Kept secret in South Korea for over 40 years, the documents had revealed that Japan provided $500 million in soft loans, and an additional $300 million in grants to South Korea as compensation for the reign of Japan in Korea during the Colonial Epoch. The treaty also specified, which South Korea agreed to, that South Korea would demand no more compensation after the treaty, either at a government-to-government level or an individual-to-government level. South Korean Government used the loans for economic development and have failed to provide adequate compensation to victims, paying only 300,000 won per death, with only a total of 2,570 million won to the relatives of some 8000 victims who died in forced labor. As the result, the Korean victims are now asking and demanding the Japanese Government for compensation; as in the case of the Korean Comfort Women case now. This comfort women issue is a result of this improper handling of the South Korean Government's part.

This is just one example. There are much more, which explains the vex Japanese Government have with South Korea's Leaders.

I have heard how the SK government didn't properly distribute money to the comfort women but realistically and practically, how would either Japan or SK on a government level stop individual Koreans from suing Japan? There's no real way to do that. Similarly, individual or groups of comfort women suing the Japanese government is hardly equivalent to the South Korean government reneging on past agreements. From my perspective, this doesn't qualify as a Korean provocation.

Edit: Just read that 2nd post of yours! Do you have any other examples?
 
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I have heard how the SK government didn't properly distribute money to the comfort women but realistically and practically, how would either Japan or SK on a government level stop individual Koreans from suing Japan? There's no real way to do that. Similarly, individual or groups of comfort women suing the Japanese government is hardly equivalent to the South Korean government reneging on past agreements. From my perspective, this doesn't qualify as a Korean provocation.

Edit: Just read that 2nd post of yours! Do you have any other examples?

Constructively speaking, I don't think it would be a problem for Japan to provide funds to Korean civilians who suffered during the Colonial Period. Post-War Japan agreed to almost $1 Trillion in grants and soft loans to South Korea (granted, during the time, this amount of money was considered quite significant). The Treaty that was signed between Seoul and Tokyo formally ends and solves issues of war-reparation. What is unfair is that the South Korean Government used this money not for its intended purpose (to distribute this to victims), but, rather, used it for infrastructure projects, etc. It was a formal agreement, a formal treaty. By right, the Japanese side should not have to engage in this anymore. The South Korean Government should also be obliged to communicate with civilian groups in their side of the Treaty's provision. We do not see this, rather, we observe how the Korean Government is only inciting the issue. For political capital? Probably considering Park's administration has severely low approval ratings.

I for one would like Japan to solve this issue, but how do we know that the Koreans wont abrogate the next treaty's terms, yet again? I do empathize with the victims of the war, honestly, i do. But I'm seeing this in the legalist point of view.
 
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Constructively speaking, I don't think it would be a problem for Japan to provide funds to Korean civilians who suffered during the Colonial Period. Post-War Japan agreed to almost $1 Trillion in grants and soft loans to South Korea (granted, during the time, this amount of money was considered quite significant). The Treaty that was signed between Seoul and Tokyo formally ends and solves issues of war-reparation. What is unfair is that the South Korean Government used this money not for its intended purpose (to distribute this to victims), but, rather, used it for infrastructure projects, etc. It was a formal agreement, a formal treaty. By right, the Japanese side should not have to engage in this anymore. The South Korean Government should also be obliged to communicate with civilian groups in their side of the Treaty's provision. We do not see this, rather, we observe how the Korean Government is only inciting the issue. For political capital? Probably considering Park's administration has severely low approval ratings.

I for one would like Japan to solve this issue, but how do we know that the Koreans wont abrogate the next treaty's terms, yet again? I do empathize with the victims of the war, honestly, i do. But I'm seeing this in the legalist point of view.

Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't aware that the South Korean government kept their citizens in the dark about war reparation money. At least it wasn't embezzled and was used on infrastructure, etc.
 
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Constructively speaking, I don't think it would be a problem for Japan to provide funds to Korean civilians who suffered during the Colonial Period. Post-War Japan agreed to almost $1 Trillion in grants and soft loans to South Korea (granted, during the time, this amount of money was considered quite significant). The Treaty that was signed between Seoul and Tokyo formally ends and solves issues of war-reparation. What is unfair is that the South Korean Government used this money not for its intended purpose (to distribute this to victims), but, rather, used it for infrastructure projects, etc. It was a formal agreement, a formal treaty. By right, the Japanese side should not have to engage in this anymore. The South Korean Government should also be obliged to communicate with civilian groups in their side of the Treaty's provision. We do not see this, rather, we observe how the Korean Government is only inciting the issue. For political capital? Probably considering Park's administration has severely low approval ratings.

I for one would like Japan to solve this issue, but how do we know that the Koreans wont abrogate the next treaty's terms, yet again? I do empathize with the victims of the war, honestly, i do. But I'm seeing this in the legalist point of view.
Thanks for the explanation. I wasn't aware that the South Korean government kept their citizens in the dark about war reparation money. At least it wasn't embezzled and was used on infrastructure, etc.

Has Japan made any war reparation money to China? if yes, how did China distribute those reparation money?
 
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China is now more of a threat to Taiwan and SK than it is to Japan and the US. China can more easily replicate and displace the stage of the value chain currently occupied by Taiwan and SK (and indeed it has been doing just that).

A follow up to illustrate this point, as well as the "South Korea is doomed" assertion.

S Korea chaebol growth model hits limits - FT.com

November 19, 2014 9:03 pm
S Korea chaebol growth model hits limits
Song Jung-a

South Korea is good at overcoming short-term crises but the manufacturing-driven economy is now facing longer-term challenges to sustain growth amid increasing competition from neighbouring China.

Big export-based conglomerates called chaebol have led the country’s rapid industrialisation over the past half a century on the back of state financial support and regulatory protection to make the country the world’s 10th largest trading nation by volume.

South Korea has become a global leader in sectors including shipbuilding, flat screens, mobile phones and memory chips. There are growing questions, however, over whether a handful of big manufacturers such as Samsung and Hyundai can continue to drive growth, especially as China is catching up fast in many industrial sectors.

“[South] Korea’s manufactured exports are losing competitiveness due to the narrowing technology gap with China, whose manufacturing industry is gradually shifting to higher-value-added goods,” says Lee Jong-wha, economics professor at Korea University.

China has become a powerful competitor to South Korea’s manufactured exports such as steel, ships, petrochemicals and electronics, although it is still way behind South Korea in some high-tech areas such as memory chips and automobiles.

“[South] Korean exporters, who have focused on catching up with Japanese and US rivals, have no strategy to fend off competition from China,” says Lee Geun, economics professor at Seoul National University.

The country’s dominant business groups have come under particular pressure this year. Samsung Electronics has posted declining earnings for four consecutive quarters. Its operating profit plunged 60 per cent to a three-year low in the third quarter as it concedes market share to low-cost Chinese rivals such as Huawei and Xiaomi.

Hyundai Motor’s net profit dropped nearly 30 per cent in the third quarter as it is losing ground to Japanese rivals in the US with the weaker yen enabling Toyota, Nissan and Honda to offer big sales incentives to consumers. Hyundai also outraged investors by offering $10bn for a trophy headquarters site, raising questions about its corporate governance and capital management.

Increased doubts over the chaebol-led economic model have sparked calls to reduce the country’s dependence on such companies and strengthen the rest of the economy, especially small and medium-sized business and the underdeveloped service sector.

“The growth model driven by a handful of big exporters has hit a limit,” says Suh Dong-hyuk, researcher at the Korea Institute for Industrial Economics and Trade. “We should promote innovation in start-ups and SMEs and develop service industries for more balanced and sustainable growth.”

Under the slogan of promoting a “creative economy,” President Park Geun-hye is trying to foster an environment where venture firms can flourish by expanding financial support for innovative start-ups. But she has not made much headway in implementing her election campaign promise of curbing the chaebol’s power and propping up SMEs.

Small businesses still struggle to grow in the shadow of sprawling chaebol companies, which aggressively push down the prices of their suppliers or push independent rivals out of business with their economies of scale.

“Despite political efforts, the business environment where big businesses make profits at the expense of their small suppliers has not changed much,” says Mr Suh.

Experts say South Korea needs quickly to develop internationally competitive service industries such as medical tourism and IT services, if it is not to stall. They urge the government to increase the service sector’s productivity through deregulation while businesses should step up efforts to seek new growth drivers.

“The era for unconditional capacity build-up for capital-intensive industries is gone now,” says Michael Na, strategist at Nomura. “We should make money by selling competitive platforms and services.”

Overhauling the economic framework is not easy. Although South Korea boasts global manufacturers with vast international operations, regional expansion has been a painful process for its service providers.

A decade into their efforts to go global, the country’s banks still struggle to build a presence in other countries, while retailers such as Lotte and E-mart have suffered big losses while expanding into China and other parts of Asia.

“Selling services is harder because you should understand others’ culture,” says Mr Na. “But many of our business leaders unfortunately lack such global sense and knowhow needed for successful overseas expansion.”

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So will South Korea be able to rely more on its SMEs to take the place of the stalled chaebols? No.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2014/11/25/south-koreas-smes-struggle-to-compete/

South Korea’s SMEs struggle to compete
Tae-jun Kang | Nov 25 10:57

South Korea’s small and medium sized enterprises have been losing competitiveness over the past several years, mirroring the declining power of its big export-based conglomerates called chaebol that have driven the country’s economic growth.

A report by the Korea Small Business Institute suggests businesses have failed to take advantage of government programmes to support SMEs and have shown a lack of innovation as they struggle to prosper in a sagging economy.

The report found that the output of Korea’s SMEs fell by 3 per cent between 2007 and 2012, with added value falling 2.9 per cent over the same period. A net 3,000 businesses closed during that period, leaving the total at 115,500 in 2012. Exports by SMEs fell 3.9 per cent between 2009 and 2013.

The institute warned that competitiveness would continue to fall unless the government took measures to support the sector.

The findings are supported by Korea’s Financial Supervisory Service, which surveyed a sample of 1,609 SMEs for a report published last week. It categorised 125 of the companies as “subjects for restructuring”, an increase of 11.6 per cent from a year ago and the biggest proportion since the financial crisis of 2008.

The FSS based its findings on soundness of cash flow, ability to meet interest payments and asset soundness.

“We have been doing this inspection since 2001,” said Kim Hak-moon, a leader of the SME support team at the FSS. “The figures definitely reflect a trend. Market conditions have not been favorable for SMEs recently.”

Kim said the weak Japanese yen, which is currently having a huge impact on the South Korean economy, was among unfavourable conditions facing SMEs.

A separate survey by the Korea International Trade Association found that 95 per cent of SMEs said the weak yen was having a negative impact on their businesses. Nearly 49 per cent said they suffered foreign-exchange losses while 24 per cent said they had seen their export volumes decline.

And Korea’s Small & Medium Business Corporation said the number of SMEs applying for credit to help deal with exchange rate fluctuations had increased by 25 per cent from last year. Most of them cited the weak yen as a reason, as their exports depended heavily on Japan. The SBC supplies loans at fixed interest rates for SMEs to support exports.

The government has launched several programmes to support struggling SMEs, including a “fast track” programme to simplify loan applications. The FSS said it would encourage banks to extent the programme and that it would offer guidance to SMEs on governance and competitiveness.

“The South Korean government has put a lot of effort into supporting SMEs lately, but one issue could be a lack of promotion,” said Hong Seong-chul, a researcher at the Korean Small Business Institute. “Some SMEs do not use what the government offers because they are not aware of it. Both need to find better ways of communicating with each other.”
 
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S Korea-China Booming Trade to Illustrate Strategic Threat to US / Sputnik international

South Korea’s growing economic interdependence with China is one example of the increasing Beijing-driven East-Asian regionalization, a shift threatening US influence in the Far East.

MOSCOW, November 16 (Sputnik) — South Korea has dominated China’s imports market for a second consecutive year and most businesses welcomed the finalization of a free-trade agreement (FTA) between Seoul and Beijing, all of which means that strengthening China’s economic ties with neighbouring nations may diminish Asia’s trade in goods and services with the US.

South Korean-produced goods have accounted to roughly 10% of mainland China’s import market this year, according to data published Sunday as quoted by Yonhap News. Seoul has remained the biggest exporter to China for the second year straight and during the period of January through September, Beijing imported $140.7 bn worth of South Korean goods. Previously, Japan was the top exporter to China, but its prolonged period of near-deflation has driven export prices higher, while Korea’s monetary easing and booming manufacturing has helped stimulate its exports.

Last week South Korea and China concluded a free trade agreement (FTA), a move welcomed by businesses in both nations, as competitiveness of Korean goods on China’s market and vice versa will now increase dramatically. According to a Korea Trade-Investment Promotion Agency (KOTRA) poll of Korean businesses operating in China, 78.4% enterprises thought the Korea-China FTA impact would be “positive” to “very positive”.

"South Korean companies operating in China seem to expect the FTA to have an impact on imports of intermediate goods from their country, rather than their production and marketing in China," said a KOTRA representative as quoted by Yonhap.

These recent developments in the South Korean-Chinese relationships are a sign of China’s push for an increased economic integration in East Asia to counterbalance the US-led Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). The TPP is a multilateral trade liberalization proposal, involving the nations of the Americas, Oceania and East and Southeast Asia, but explicitly excludes mainland China because of excessive economic regulation and the non-market based FX rate of the renminbi.

Beijing, therefore, has to find its own way to reach out to global markets, and concluding FTAs with select US partners is one of the options.Mainland China is starved for investment dollars, as its economy is now in phase of transition from the export-driven economic model towards more of a domestic consumption-based growth.

China’s authorities have undertaken several policy measures to bolster global competitiveness of the national economy. Last Monday, when the FTA with South Korea was reached, the People’s Bank of China (PBOC) raised the renminbi FX rate dramatically, according to Bloomberg data, a move making imports more competitive in the domestic market. China has long been criticized by the US and other major economies for manipulating the renminbi FX rate by lowering it in order to boost exports. The more the renminbi appreciates, the more market-based its FX is, and demonstrate China’s market-friendliness.

China’s regulators have confirmed that on 17 November stock markets in Hong Kong and Shanghai began connected trading, as well as trading the renminbi against foreign currencies, a further step toward economic liberalization.

“It’s a real attempt to exert leadership and to project a responsible image in wanting to lead the whole of Asia — they’re all very much linked politically,” Patrick Low, formerly of the World Trade Organization (WTO) and now of the Fung Global Institute said as quoted by the New York Times.

China’s moves towards trade liberalization may push the US out of Asia. The US exports mainly cutting-edge hi-tech goods, competing with the like of Japan, Taipei and South Korea, however, mainland China is the world’s largest exporter of all kinds of electronics. And this electronics industry runs mostly on cheaper Japanese, Taiwanese and South Korean technologies.

China is now the biggest trade partner for 17 of its 23 neighboring states, Taipei President Ma Ying-jeou said recently, that during the period of 1981 to 1988 about 50% of Taipei’s trade went to the US. “The present situation warrants our attention but does not call for excessive anxiety,” Taipei president said in an interview with Modern Chinese Literature and Culture Resource Center of the Ohio State University.

The growing regionalization around mainland China is one of the strategic challenges to the US policy of ‘rebalancing’ its global priorities towards the Pacific Rim region, proclaimed in early 2010s by the Barack Obama administration. This challenge is partially addressed by the accelerated TPP finalization which is happening now, and the US-led multilateral liberalization of trade may take effect as early as 2015. However, Washington’s trans-Pacific strategy requires more practical measures to strengthen economic interdependence with its key partners in the region before they are integrated into Beijing’s sphere of influence for good.

@Nihonjin1051 , @LeveragedBuyout , @tranquilium , @Edison Chen , @Chinese-Dragon


Let's update this thread @TaiShang buddy.
 
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Top economic policymakers call for concerted efforts to ratify S. Korea-China FTA

Published : 2015-01-23 10:52
Updated : 2015-01-23 10:52

Top economic policymakers of South Korea and China agreed Friday to work closely together to quickly ratify the bilateral free trade pact reached last year.

In a meeting held in downtown Seoul, South Korea's Deputy Prime Minister Choi Kyung-hwan and Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang said the free trade agreement is an important issue that directly impacts all sides, the finance ministry said.

The FTA, effectively agreed upon in November, has yet to be formally signed and must be approved by lawmakers of both countries to go into effect.

The two officials also exchanged views on the current state of the global economy and two-way economic ties. China is South Korea's largest export market.

Choi, who doubles as South Korea's finance minister, elaborated on the promising start of the won-yuan direct trading market and asked Beijing for continued interest in its growth.

The market launched on Dec. 1 aims to reduce overall exchange costs between the neighboring countries. In the past, two-way trade was almost exclusively carried out using the U.S. dollar.


In response, Wang, who is a member of China's Politburo and handles overseas economic affairs, said the direct won-yuan exchange market could help the Chinese currency become a medium of international trade. He added the two countries can share necessary ideas related to the exchange market. (Yonhap)
 
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Top economic policymakers call for concerted efforts to ratify S. Korea-China FTA

Published : 2015-01-23 10:52
Updated : 2015-01-23 10:52

Top economic policymakers of South Korea and China agreed Friday to work closely together to quickly ratify the bilateral free trade pact reached last year.

In a meeting held in downtown Seoul, South Korea's Deputy Prime Minister Choi Kyung-hwan and Chinese Vice Premier Wang Yang said the free trade agreement is an important issue that directly impacts all sides, the finance ministry said.

The FTA, effectively agreed upon in November, has yet to be formally signed and must be approved by lawmakers of both countries to go into effect.

The two officials also exchanged views on the current state of the global economy and two-way economic ties. China is South Korea's largest export market.

Choi, who doubles as South Korea's finance minister, elaborated on the promising start of the won-yuan direct trading market and asked Beijing for continued interest in its growth.

The market launched on Dec. 1 aims to reduce overall exchange costs between the neighboring countries. In the past, two-way trade was almost exclusively carried out using the U.S. dollar.


In response, Wang, who is a member of China's Politburo and handles overseas economic affairs, said the direct won-yuan exchange market could help the Chinese currency become a medium of international trade. He added the two countries can share necessary ideas related to the exchange market. (Yonhap)

Its surprising that there isn't a direct won - yuan trade. Tho Japan and China do not have a FTA yet , we already have a direct Yen-Yuan mechanism.
 
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I guess direct RMB-WON trading has just recently began.

Won-yuan direct trading market opens in Seoul - Xinhua | English.news.cn

But seems like it needs some time to pick up.

The one between China and Japan started in June of 2012, if I am not mistaken.

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I'm not trying to bash on our Korean brothers (and i do feel guilty since i was poking fun at them at that thread on how Japan defended Chinese chopsticks :(, i don't want korean readers to think i'm some kind of 'shibba seki ilbo nim' :(:( )

Be that as it may, Japan had initiated with China the direct Yuan-Yen trading some 3 years prior to Korea's own, and at least 2 years before Korea and China started their FTA. Perhaps this initiative on Seoul's part was a response to their aperture of -- Japanese seizing the initiative. Anyways, I congratulate the Koreans on their governments' part in what they deem as pivotal for Korea's national and economic interests. I can only hope that Tokyo , China and Korea can positively follow up with our own Trilateral CSKJ FTA.

To our Korean readers here, and i know you are around, i say this to you: Mansae! Mansae Kam sa ham nida !
 
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I'm not trying to bash on our Korean brothers (and i do feel guilty since i was poking fun at them at that thread on how Japan defended Chinese chopsticks :(, i don't want korean readers to think i'm some kind of 'shibba seki ilbo nim' :(:( )

Be that as it may, Japan had initiated with China the direct Yuan-Yen trading some 3 years prior to Korea's own, and at least 2 years before Korea and China started their FTA. Perhaps this initiative on Seoul's part was a response to their aperture of -- Japanese seizing the initiative. Anyways, I congratulate the Koreans on their governments' part in what they deem as pivotal for Korea's national and economic interests. I can only hope that Tokyo , China and Korea can positively follow up with our own Trilateral CSKJ FTA.

To our Korean readers here, and i know you are around, i say this to you: Mansae! Mansae Kam sa ham nida !

LOL. Koreans might be the latecomers. But, have to admit, they move quite fast. As China and Japan seemed to drag feet, Koreans appeared to be the main driver for the trilateral FTA talks. Last two years was a strategic loss. But, hopefully, that will serve as a wisdom not to let history repeat itself.
 
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