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S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems delivery to India can begin in 2020

How does S400 perform against Arrow 3? or THAAD

Hope this helps:-).

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Strategic. Long-ranged missiles and a high-powered radar, it's for protecting critical targets, military and civilian.

People will tell you the system is mobile, and it can move, but it's not a high-mobility air defense system that can shoot while moving, like NASAMS can:

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S-400 is a big, cumbersome weapon systems that combines a lot of parts that need time to setup, warmup, sweep for targets and then engage them.

These S-400 batteries have been setup in Syria following the incident with Turkey:

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A lot of stock. Russia does two things very well. Missiles and electronic warfare, offense and defense. The US considers this to be one of the most threatening SAM systems on Earth.



Also a lot:D. Because nations recognize this is a threatening platform and are or have developed hardkill and softkill countermeasures to defeat it. It's susceptible to electronic attack, and it can be overwhelmed too by decoys, jammers, chaff countermeasures, saturation attacks by drones, artillery and rocket fire... there's a lot of ways it can be overwhelmed.

But the S-400 launchers aren't alone. In this photo, also of an S-400 battery in Syria, we can see a Pantsir S-1 that has been deployed alongside S-400. It's job is to defeat rocket, artillery and mortar fire, and low-flying aircraft like UAVs or attack jets and helicopters.

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We recognize S-400 is a threat, and they recognize we can threaten S-400. Both sides have measures to lessen the effectiveness of the other's measures and countermeasures.



I don't follow Indian missile defense systems too closely, so I can't answer the question pertaining to domestic projects or developments, but I can answer the first part and the answer is "No".

Unless you're buying Chinese variants, there's nothing on the market that can provide the same capabilities in a land-based system.

For naval SAMS, it's a different story, but SAM development in outside of Russia and China is mainly centered around short-to-medium ranged anti-aircraft missiles like surface launched AMRAAM (See NASAMS) or ESSM and SAMP/T or ballistic missile defense like the medium range MEADS:

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And longer ranged THAAD:

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Neither MEADS nor THAAD are very capable against aircraft. And SAMP/T, NASAMS and comparable missiles lack range and don't perform well against missile threats.

S-400 combines a bit of both. Capable and long-range anti-aircraft and short-range, and less competent anti-missile capabilities.



That depends on where it's being put. How far can the radar see? Are there obstructions that can mask an hostile force in the distance that would obscure targeting or confuse a radar operator, like mountains or trees? Is the missile system on a hill or in a valley that would hamper its sensors ability to track and identify targets at greater ranges.

What altitude is the missile system at? Different altitudes lead to different performances by the missile, same with humidity or dry air.

The Earth's not flat or uniform and there's a lot that can affect the missile and sensors performance.

You'll see all sorts of maps, promotional photos, posts and claims of S-400's 400km ranges.

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But that's not realistic given, plus only one missile in an S-400 system has that range and it's for intercepting large aircraft like heavy bombers or AWACS platforms.



It'll hamper the effectiveness of Pakistani cruise missiles and aircraft, even over Pakistani airspace. It's a potent weapon system that can't be downplayed.

Will it change the military balance? I never suggest anything can because for every system there's an antidote to foil it, but it shouldn't be underestimated or brushed off either.

It's no wonder weapon, as many are extoled here on PDF but certain members of certain nationalities, but it's a damn fine piece of kit too.
 
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Not yet. Although, I would prefer APS ASAP!
T-14 comes with Afganit APS & maybe Trophy for our T-90s.

We do not have to immediately go for major upgradation of Armoured forces.
As soon as T-72s are replaced its better & T-14 seems a good choice for that.

Agreed that we may have more urgent area where money can be utilized.
 
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is there any dialogue on PAK FA between modi and putin?
 
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:lol:

So Windy, what do you think? It seems like quite a dangerous development. Especially when Indian threat is overwhelming Pakistan specific.

How is Pakistan going to respond?

There's nothing which can play the role of s400 batteries except the s400 itself.
HQ-9 or something similar might be available from China in the near future but that's not the solution.
In the past,whenever India bought expensive war toys as capability boosters,Pakistan seldom reciprocated by spending the same huge amounts of money on shopping,instead our answers to emerging threats have always been strategy specific.
 
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Good to start with 5 batallion of s-400 then 7 s-500 in the future .yesterday there was a news regarding 900000 crores deals before end of this year. 5 billion is approx 35000 crores . 1 billion for ka-226 helicopters.may be there will be agreement on fgfa and nuclear submarine also. I am loving it. Lets see what happens .
 
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If its true then congratulation to India , and its a big blow for Pakistan .

But I also want to give a fanboy answer here (lots of fanboys will say this) , and that is

JF17 HAI NAAAAA

please don't give any -v rating for above ..............................................................

@Zarvan , @Arsalan , @Quwa , @Bilal Khan (Quwa) , @Bilal Khan 777 , @fatman17 , @Windjammer , @Tipu7

Why is it a blow to Pakistan ?

Were you expecting Russia not to sell us anything ?
 
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There's nothing which can play the role of s400 batteries except the s400 itself.
HQ-9 or something similar might be available from China in the near future but that's not the solution.
In the past,whenever India bought expensive war toys as capability boosters,Pakistan seldom reciprocated by spending the same huge amounts of money on shopping,instead our answers to emerging threats have always been strategy specific.

Ok, so if India's warmongering PM actually starts a war with Pakistan, having these systems in Indian armory are going to put us on the back-foot.

Isn't it so?


What can Pakistan do to neutralize such system?
 
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T-14 comes with Afganit APS & maybe Trophy for our T-90s.


As soon as T-72s are replaced its better & T-14 seems a good choice for that.

Agreed that we may have more urgent area where money can be utilized.


Not yet. There are other things.
 
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Russia, India to sign multi-billion dollar deal on S-400 missile systems

The S-400, an upgraded version of the S-300, had previously only been available to the Russian defence forces. It is manufactured by Almaz-Antey and has been in service in Russia since 2007.

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By: PTI | Moscow | Updated: October 13, 2016 9:22 pm
modi-putin-brics-759 Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, left, and Russian President Vladimir Putin (AP Photo)

Russia and India will sign a multi-billion dollar deal for S-400 ‘Triumf’ long-range air defence missile systems on Saturday following talks between Russian President Vladmir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi in Goa, state media here reported on Thursday.

“Following the results of the negotiations between our president and (Indian Prime Minister Narendra) Modi, an agreement will be signed on the delivery of S-400 Triumf anti aircraft missile systems to India, as well as some other documents,” Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov was quoted as saying by TASS news agency.

India is interested in getting five systems of the most modern air defence system, capable of firing three types of missiles, creating a layered defence, and simultaneously engaging 36 targets.

It has the capability to destroy incoming hostile aircraft, missiles and even drones at ranges of up to 400 km.

If India signs the deal, it would be the second customer of the prized missile system after China which had struck a USD 3 billion contract last year.

The S-400, an upgraded version of the S-300, had previously only been available to the Russian defence forces. It is manufactured by Almaz-Antey and has been in service in Russia since 2007.

Ushakov said part of the documents will be signed behind closed doors. The Kremlin aide declined to comment on the details of the deal, suggesting that first the document should be signed.

Russia also plans to sign an agreement on building Project 11356 frigates for the Indian Navy and setting up a Russian- Indian joint venture to produce Kamov Ka-226T helicopters, the agency reported.

Following the results of their talks, Putin and Modi will adopt a joint statement to reflect their common approaches towards solving various global and regional issues.

Both sides will also approve a roadmap of measures timed to coincide with the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries.

Overall, Russia and India are set to sign about 18 documents, he said. The Russian presidential aide said Putin and Modi will hold their talks in Goa ahead of the summit of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) grouping of leading emerging economies.

The Russian and Indian leaders are first expected to talk in a narrow format and then negotiations will be held at the level of delegations. Russia’s delegation will also be represented by Vice- Premier Dmitry Rogozin, the heads of the Industry and Trade, Energy and Economics Ministries, state civil nuclear power corporation Rosatom and others.

After the talks, the Russian and Indian leaders will take part in the ceremony of laying the foundation for the third and fourth power units of India’s Kudankulam nuclear power plant via a video conference, make statements for the media and hold a tete-a-tete lunch.


 
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Ok, so if India's warmongering PM actually starts a war with Pakistan, having these systems in Indian armory are going to put us on the back-foot.

Isn't it so?


What can Pakistan do to neutralize such system?

Wouldn't it have been so wonderful if wars would have been won just by expensive toys ?
Unfortunately that's not how it goes in the real world.

India cannot seriously consider a ( full scale ) war with Pakistan because of many reasons no matter how much warmongering be done.

With the help of CPEC,Pakistan has successfully integrated its national security with China's vital interests and ambitions.India can never hope to undertake such an adventure without recieving retaliation from China.

Tactical Nukes : S400 is not the answer to Pak's battlefield nukes against a large scale Indian offensive.Indian policy makers will remain frustrated for years to come at this strategic threat.

Conventional War :
India does not have the ratio required to overpower the defending Pakistan Army's numbers.Hence Indian aggression will have bloody costs.

Indian Economy :
India's focus on building an economic muscle does not allow it to dent its dreams by engaing in a bloody escalation with Pakistan risking China's retaliation too.It takes decades to make economic gains and only weeks of war to loose them all.Indians are not as silly as you think.

Hence,don't take any war mongering seriously.
 
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