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Russians reluctantly embrace Chinese cars after Western brands depart

..and almost all Chinese phone brands use Qualcomm chips. LOL!

Apparently all your EV companies that are selling models below the #5 Tesla Model Y in that 2022 list are even bigger idiots. LOL!!!

Why is the Tesla Model Y #5 on your overall sales list..which obviously also includes gasoline cars...and it is the #2 when looking at just 100% EV cars (with #1 being some GM/SAIC venture)..even outselling all of BYD's 100% EV models. Why is China always the follower?

I thought China has over 100 car companies? The American Tesla Model Y outsold all but 4 of the models from all these Chinese auto companies? Shouldn't the Tesla Model Y be somewhere near 101? 🤔

Where is that innovation from millions of Chinese graduates????

You forget Chinese Unisoc, and Taiwanese Mediatek.
 
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No it is different. MG newest car majority is based on Chinese technology.

The engineering and technology used in the newest MG cars are primarily based on Chinese technology, as MG Motor is owned by SAIC Motor Corporation Limited, a Chinese automaker. However, MG cars also incorporate some British technology and engineering, as the company has a significant presence in the United Kingdom, and the MG Global Design Team is based there. In addition, some of the components and systems used in MG cars are sourced from suppliers around the world, so it's possible that some of the technology in MG cars has been developed outside of China and the UK. However, overall, the newest MG cars are primarily based on Chinese technology and engineering.
If it was just about Chinese tech, they wouldn't need to buy MG motors to be able to expand their footprint globally dude. As I said those your state owned auto brands have been a failure despite the Chinese government huge backing and forcing western auto makers to transfer technology and form so called "joint venture". By contrast private Chinese auto makers like BYD are one of the few Chinese indigenous auto brands which I actually respect. Since they have always relied on their in-house R&D, designs and products to win over customers and expand, despite the setbacks they have had. They never tried to take the so called short cut by relying on western companies brands/tech to survive or grow. Now they seem to have matured by learning by themselves with the market, now they design very nice cars with in-house tech and rely only THEIR OWN BRANDS to make a name for themselves. Now they are expanding globally and I believe in a few years from now they will be a global brand which will pose a serious threat to Toyota, Tesla, Mercdes, BMW and other foriegn brands. Your state owned auto makers have a very weak brand value outside China to be honest. In fact even inside China they are struggling now, even with the help and partnering of western brands. By contrast BYD is winning the Chinese Market and expanding abroad with THEIR OWN BRANDS and fully indigenous in-house designs/products/services and tech. That's why I said they will be one of the only Chinese Brand to be a real threat to western and Japanese brands globally . Those like SAIC have a very weak brand value and they know that, reason they have to rely on western brands to be able to sell more abroad unlike BYD.

They are just one of like 5 companies that sell batteries to Tesla due to insane worldwide demand. Meanwhile your top Smart Phone brands can't get enough of American chips.




Yeah, and Warren Buffet spotted them back in 2008 and made a big investment that gave them some recognition..although they failed to deliver on their promises (because their tech wasn't ready)

14 years ago BTW

So how's the BYD 100% EV passenger car sales in Britain? Rest of Europe? North America? South America? LOL! Ever hear of Tesla 14 years ago?

Now Tesla is known for bringing EV cars worldwide and Elon Musk will get the blurb in the history books.
To be fair, forget about Chinese car companies, brands. They are almost non existent outside their country(only sanctioned prone and isolated countries like Russia/Iran can they have a major market share). I actually think BYD is the only one who stands a real chance abroad. They had to rely alot on themselves and of course it was difficult for them to challenge the established western and Japanese auto companies. So of course it took more time and effort to mature their products and designs, unlike the state owned Chinese companies with huge backing from the state and handholding from western companies . This made them lazy to innovate or push their own brands since they could just tely on the easy money they msde with Western brands/cars and not do much. Unlike BYD. So give it a few years, with the expansion projects I have seen of BYD, the coming 2/3 years will be interesting.
 
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If it was just about Chinese tech, they wouldn't need to buy MG motors to eb able to expand their footprint globally dude. As I said those your state owned auto brands have been a failure despite rhe Chinese government huge backing and forcing western auto makers to transfer technology and form so called "joint venture". By contrast private Chinese auto makers like BYD are one of the few Chinese indigenous auto brands which I actually respect. Since they have always relied on their in-house R&D, designs and products to winnover customers and expand, despite the setbacks they have had. They never tried to take the so called short cut by relying on western companies brands/tech to survive or grow. Now they seem to have matured by learning by themselves with the market, now they design very nice cars with in-house tech and rely only THEIR OWN BRANDS to make a name for themselves. Now they are expanding globally and I believe in a few years from now they will be a global brand which will pose a serious threat to Toyota, Tesla, Mercdes, BMW and other foriegn brands. Your state owned auto makers have a very weak brand value outside Cgina to be honest. In fact even inside Chona they are struggling now, even with the help and partnering of western brands. By contrast BYD is winning the Chinese Market and expanding abroad with THEIR OWN BRANDS and fully indigenous in-house designs/products/services and tech. That's why I said they will be one of the only Chinese Brand to be a real threat to western and Japanese brands globally . Those like SAIC have a very weak brand value and they know that, reason they have to rely on western brands to be able to sell more abroad unlike BYD.


To be fair, forget about Chinese car companies, brands. They are almost non existent outside their country(only sanctioned prone and isolated countries like Russia/Iran can they have a major market share). I actually think BYD is the only one who stands a real chance abroad. They had to rely alot on themselves and of course it was difficult for them to challenge the established western and Japanese auto companies. So of course it took more time and effort to mature their products and designs, unlike the state owned Chinese companies with huge backing from the state and handholding from western companies . This made them lazy to innovate or push their own brands since they could just tely on the easy money they msde with Western brands/cars and not do much. Unlike BYD. So give it a few years, with the expansion projects I have seen of BYD, the coming 2/3 years will be interesting.

That’s why more Chinese automakers crap on BYD than the so called “foreign agents” lmao. They are making everyone look incompetent.
 
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That’s why more Chinese automakers crap on BYD than the so called “foreign agents” lmao. They are making everyone look incompetent.
Well, the others gave proven to be incompetent . BYD only had to perform well to put them all to shame . Those state owned auto companies shiuld be disbanded abd sold off to be honest. Seems they are just there for employment or something. Lol They have not proven to be be able to come out if the shadows of western brands. Let the innovative and productive Chinese private car companies like BYD take over show them the way.
 
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Don’t know about the other firms but Haval series of SUVs have pretty good reviews in Australia/New Zealand and South Africa. They are very popular cars within China too.

I feel that the journalist is making a sweeping characterization of all Chinese auto exports to Russia with just a few interviews. A lot of it is also based on sentiments, which is hard to change in the span of one or two years.
 
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Don’t know about the other firms but Haval series of SUVs have pretty good reviews in Australia/New Zealand and South Africa. They are very popular cars within China too.

I feel that the journalist is making a sweeping characterization of all Chinese auto exports to Russia with just a few interviews. A lot of it is also based on sentiments, which is hard to change in the span of one or two years.
There's a kind of Europhilic Russian whose fondest wish is to deepthroat Ursula. You'd think with the war and mobilization they'd have fled Russia. But no, they linger there like bad odour on an Indian.
 
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If it was just about Chinese tech, they wouldn't need to buy MG motors to be able to expand their footprint globally dude. As I said those your state owned auto brands have been a failure despite the Chinese government huge backing and forcing western auto makers to transfer technology and form so called "joint venture". By contrast private Chinese auto makers like BYD are one of the few Chinese indigenous auto brands which I actually respect. Since they have always relied on their in-house R&D, designs and products to win over customers and expand, despite the setbacks they have had. They never tried to take the so called short cut by relying on western companies brands/tech to survive or grow. Now they seem to have matured by learning by themselves with the market, now they design very nice cars with in-house tech and rely only THEIR OWN BRANDS to make a name for themselves. Now they are expanding globally and I believe in a few years from now they will be a global brand which will pose a serious threat to Toyota, Tesla, Mercdes, BMW and other foriegn brands. Your state owned auto makers have a very weak brand value outside China to be honest. In fact even inside China they are struggling now, even with the help and partnering of western brands. By contrast BYD is winning the Chinese Market and expanding abroad with THEIR OWN BRANDS and fully indigenous in-house designs/products/services and tech. That's why I said they will be one of the only Chinese Brand to be a real threat to western and Japanese brands globally . Those like SAIC have a very weak brand value and they know that, reason they have to rely on western brands to be able to sell more abroad unlike BYD.

There was technology advantage from acquiring MG at that time, but actually it was about marketing strategy rather than technology acquisition.

MG's brand value and distribution that interested Chinese car manufacturer more to acquire than the technology. Expanding market/sales is not only about technology, but also "brand image (promotion)" and "distribution (place)"; these 2 were what Chinese car manufacturer lack for overseas expansion.
 
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What else type of headline can you expect from atlantic council front Reuters?
The chery,haval,geely are solid cars,they have high ratings in advanced car market. If anything those with boomers with poor men's mentality and who are very sensitive about their own poverty ridden state that latches on the "poor chinese quality " excuse in 2023.

If it was just about Chinese tech, they wouldn't need to buy MG motors to be able to expand their footprint globally dude. As I said those your state owned auto brands have been a failure despite the Chinese government huge backing and forcing western auto makers to transfer technology and form so called "joint venture". By contrast private Chinese auto makers like BYD are one of the few Chinese indigenous auto brands which I actually respect. Since they have always relied on their in-house R&D, designs and products to win over customers and expand, despite the setbacks they have had. They never tried to take the so called short cut by relying on western companies brands/tech to survive or grow. Now they seem to have matured by learning by themselves with the market, now they design very nice cars with in-house tech and rely only THEIR OWN BRANDS to make a name for themselves. Now they are expanding globally and I believe in a few years from now they will be a global brand which will pose a serious threat to Toyota, Tesla, Mercdes, BMW and other foriegn brands. Your state owned auto makers have a very weak brand value outside China to be honest. In fact even inside China they are struggling now, even with the help and partnering of western brands. By contrast BYD is winning the Chinese Market and expanding abroad with THEIR OWN BRANDS and fully indigenous in-house designs/products/services and tech. That's why I said they will be one of the only Chinese Brand to be a real threat to western and Japanese brands globally . Those like SAIC have a very weak brand value and they know that, reason they have to rely on western brands to be able to sell more abroad unlike BYD.


To be fair, forget about Chinese car companies, brands. They are almost non existent outside their country(only sanctioned prone and isolated countries like Russia/Iran can they have a major market share). I actually think BYD is the only one who stands a real chance abroad. They had to rely alot on themselves and of course it was difficult for them to challenge the established western and Japanese auto companies. So of course it took more time and effort to mature their products and designs, unlike the state owned Chinese companies with huge backing from the state and handholding from western companies . This made them lazy to innovate or push their own brands since they could just tely on the easy money they msde with Western brands/cars and not do much. Unlike BYD. So give it a few years, with the expansion projects I have seen of BYD, the coming 2/3 years will be interesting.
The MG that's expanding globally isn't your dumbed down british made ice models,it's the Chinese made ev variant,that's only competitive due to Chinese ev tech, from parts to battery , made in China,and exported at a bargain prices due to Chinese manufacturing prowess.

Chinese cars isn't just byd and tech,CATL is the most superior battery manufacturer in china and in the whole world, and there are dozens of other specialists that make parts which go into almost every car, from DIAMLER to GM cars.The biggest car parts manufacturer is China not japan,korea,Germany or US. These states source parts from all over the world ,mostly from china now.
There are dozens of car companies in China that can source the best of batteries and parts ,at a cheaper price than most foreign brands to compete in both quality & price .And you think China need your MG to advance,which would have been bankrupt in some months, without chinese tech,parts and production. The world is moving on,whether you like it or not.
 
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Russians can look forward to driving some 'old man's joy' EV vehicles as featured at the Jinan New Energy Automobile Expo. For the modern Russian man, "driving such a car not only showcases their taste and style, but also impresses the onlooking ladies with their refined demeanor".

 
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Russians can look forward to driving some 'old man's joy' EV vehicles as featured at the Jinan New Energy Automobile Expo. For the modern Russian man, "driving such a car not only showcases their taste and style, but also impresses the onlooking ladies with their refined demeanor".

The "old man's joy" EVs seem to be doing well where you are, fart:
Fart is a really good user name for you. It describes exactly what you are.
 
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Again you shouldn’t speak about what you are completely ignorant about. This may have been correct ten years ago, not now. China is actually the central market of where the most advanced EV competition is taking place and domestic Chinese brands offer the most diverse lineup of well built and designed EVs rivaling Tesla. Therefore you are wrong if you think that the US has the most competitive auto market, China does. And it isn’t even close. China has all of the worlds major automakers dueling it out along with scores of massive domestic automakers who have built huge and diverse EV lineups that the west has not even seen yet. There are tons of cars from both Chinese brands and western brands that you will see in China that you wouldn’t even hear about in the US. On top of that China’s market and production simply dwarfs the US.

Again you show yourself to be completely clueless. Why don’t you actually learn real facts before embarrassing yourself?




yeah I don't have CCP c**k in my mouth so I must not know what I am talking about.
BTW, what happened to all those super computers you guys were bragging about on PDF a few years ago?
Weren't you guys going to DESTROY the US with your silocon technology?
Oh right... daddy USA pulled your chips and now you can only make calculators.

The article that OP posted literally said your cars are shit quality and you are barely able to get Russians, who are a captive market, to buy it.

Different from the US market. The Chinese market is very advanced and picky. If your goods are of low quality, you cannot enter the Chinese market.... That's why we rarely see American cars in China. of course. Maybe some terrorist training camps will like American cars.

Considering that Chinese people are very picky about the quality of cars. If you want to enter the Chinese market. You can only let your dads provide quality and lower prices.
This is your brain on "Patriotic education." You start to believe garbage like this.
- Your car quality, while improved from 10 years ago, are still crap (see OP article).
- CCP does not allow foreign companies to freely compete in China.
- Tesla, an American car company that sucked CCP d**k, did get an exception and their cars sell like crazy.
This is not to say that CCP cars will not catch up. They most likely will. But to sit here today with a CCP D in your mouth pretending like they are even close to international quality is laughable.
 
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yeah I don't have CCP c**k in my mouth so I must not know what I am talking about.
BTW, what happened to all those super computers you guys were bragging about on PDF a few years ago?
Weren't you guys going to DESTROY the US with your silocon technology?
Oh right... daddy USA pulled your chips and now you can only make calculators.

The article that OP posted literally said your cars are shit quality and you are barely able to get Russians, who are a captive market, to buy it.


This is your brain on "Patriotic education." You start to believe garbage like this.
- Your car quality, while improved from 10 years ago, are still crap (see OP article).
- CCP does not allow foreign companies to freely compete in China.
- Tesla, an American car company that sucked CCP d**k, did get an exception and their cars sell like crazy.
This is not to say that CCP cars will not catch up. They most likely will. But to sit here today with a CCP D in your mouth pretending like they are even close to international quality is laughable.
As expected, you are never able to respond with actual facts or intelligence so you go on your usual foul worded rants. Youre an ignorant punk and nothing is going to change that.
 
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MOSCOW, March 24 (Reuters) - As the exodus of Western carmakers narrows options for Russian consumers, Chinese automakers are filling the gap, forcing Russians to overcome their reluctance to embrace Chinese brands and stomach higher prices.

Chinese brands such as Haval (601633.SS), Chery and Geely (0175.HK) now account for almost 40% of Russia's new car sales, data from analytical agency Autostat and consulting company PPK showed, up from less than 10% in January-February of 2022, pouncing on the opportunity left by the exit of firms such as Renault (RENA.PA), Nissan (7201.T) and Mercedes (MBGn.DE).

But there are teething problems. Reuters spoke to several Russian car buyers - individuals and dealerships - who perceived the quality of some Chinese cars to be lower than Western rivals and industry experts said Chinese manufacturers needed to enhance their reputation even as their market share soars.

Stepan, 28, who has increasingly driven Chinese cars when using carsharing services, is among those that need convincing. Among his complaints was the smoothness of the drive.

"I managed to buy a Skoda in 2022. If you want my honest opinion, the difference (with Chinese cars) is massive," he told Reuters at Moscow's Favorit Motors dealership.

Czech carmaker Skoda Auto, part of Volkswagen Group (VOWG_p.DE) and one of several Western automakers that had local car production, is in the final stages of a deal to sell its Russian assets in the wake of Western sanctions after Moscow despatched troops to Ukraine last February.

When buying his new Chinese car, Alexander, 74, looked for one which encompassed Swedish technology.

"I believe that in time the reliability will improve," he said. "For example, I know that (Geely) Tugella has a Volvo engine. This sold this car for me."

Russia's former president Dmitry Medvedev said on Friday after a visit to China in December that cooperation with Chinese manufacturers was good and consumers' perceptions were out of date.

"We used to laugh at some of their designs, but I went for a ride in a local car and looked at others," he said. "I'll say bluntly: the car I drove was certainly no worse than a Mercedes."

COMPETITION DRIES UP​


Most Western automakers, who have fought with domestic carmakers for market share since they began building factories in Russia in the early 2000s, ceased operations last spring.

"We've lived our whole lives focused on European, Japanese, American brands and did not especially take the Chinese market into account, which...has developed at an incredible rate," said Vladimir Shestak, general director of Altair-Auto in Vladivostok, whose dealership specialises in the Mercedes-Benz and Geely brands.

Though the majority of foreign firms have exited Russia or are in the process of leaving, lingering stocks and parallel imports mean some companies' cars remain on sale for now.

Domestic producer Avtovaz's Lada brand is Russia's most popular. Renault, through its former controlling stake in Avtovaz, had the highest market share among foreign producers before Russia began what it calls its "special military operation" in Ukraine.

While Chinese cars are increasingly filling the gap, the lack of reputation remains an issue, said auto industry expert Sergey Aslanyan.

"Yes, they have almost no competitors here anymore," he said. "But that does not mean that people will change their opinion quickly."

Chinese brands' market share reached 37.15% in January-February, up from 9.48% a year earlier, Autostat and PPK data showed. Sales of departing European, Japanese and Korean brands were down to 22.6% from 70%.

The sharp swing comes, however, amid plummeting sales of new cars, which slumped 58.8% in 2022 as lower living standards and a desire for Western-made vehicles caused people to reduce their spending and purchase more used cars.

In a sign of growing cooperation China's Haval is now producing cars locally, while in Moscow, the revived Soviet-era Moskvich is using engine parts, design and engineering from China's JAC.

But another gripe for consumers is the price. Even Medvedev said the Moskvich's price looked a little high. The model 3 costs around 2 million roubles ($26,195). Prices for the Lada Granta, Russia's most widely sold car, start at around 680,000 roubles.

"(The Chinese) are bringing in a lot of cars but if we talk about price, not quality, there are no cheap cars at all," said Maxim Kadakov, editor in chief of the "Behind the Wheel" magazine.

($1 = 76.3500 roubles)


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Beggers can’t be choosers lol

Either this or drive car without break lmao
 
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yeah I don't have CCP c**k in my mouth so I must not know what I am talking about.
BTW, what happened to all those super computers you guys were bragging about on PDF a few years ago?
Weren't you guys going to DESTROY the US with your silocon technology?
Oh right... daddy USA pulled your chips and now you can only make calculators.

For starters, that’s untrue.



Two Chinese supercomputers have already broken the notorious exascale barrier, but their developers prefer to stay quiet about it for now. Both systems are reportedly based on China's homegrown Phytium and Sunway processors and therefore do not use crucial technologies developed outside of Tianxia.
 
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