Russian S-400 air defense and Su-30SM fighter jets on high alert for possible Trump attack on Syria

[T-Rex]

By the fact you type in bold speaks volumes. No need to shout

Again bold letters have different meanings, they don't always mean shouting. Broaden your views and you'll understand.

 

[Trango Towers]

Again bold letters have different meanings, they don't always mean shouting. Broaden your views and you'll understand.

I understand you very well. Argumentative type arn't you

 

[LeGenD]

If Americans were that's smart as the world credits them why have they lost every war since ww2. Wars not not won simply through destruction. Vietnam Korea Afghanistan Iraq Libya Grenada are a few examples

1. US ousted North Korea from South Korea = victory
2. US ousted Iraq from Kuwait = victory
3. US closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in Iraq = victory
4. US enabled post-Saddam Iraq to defeat ISIS = victory
5. US closed the chapter of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya = victory

There are scores of other conflicts in which US has performed well.

 

[Trango Towers]

1. US ousted North Korea from South Korea = victory
2. US ousted Iraq from Kuwait = victory
3. US closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in Iraq = victory
4. US enabled post-Saddam Iraq to defeat ISIS = victory
5. US closed the chapter of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya = victory

There are scores of other conflicts in which US has performed well.

if that's your understanding.......nothing more to say but you need to learn a lot

 

[LeGenD]

if that's your understanding.......nothing more to say but you need to learn a lot

Victory is assessed on the grounds of fulfillment of an objective (political or otherwise); I provided some examples.

US is able to achieve desired outcomes in its expeditions from time-to-time. You concentrate on fulfillment of objectives and ignore media bluster.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Vietnam is the only place where they faced defeat. In other places they did not achieve victory but you cannot call it defeat either.

The current situation in Vietnam is more to the liking of USA than of China, and Russia is irrelevant in todays Vietnam.
While the Communist Party in Vietnam is still in power, the are not a threat to US allies,
and are seeking closer cooperation with the U.S.
The US was not defeated in Vietnam, they simply came to the conclusion that the ROI of continued US presence was not good enough.

 

[Trango Towers]

Victory is assessed on the grounds of fulfillment of an objective (political or otherwise); I provided some examples.

US is able to achieve desired outcomes in its expeditions from time-to-time. You concentrate on fulfillment of objectives and ignore media bluster.

So did they achieve their objectives in the places you listed.....think not.....if you think so you need to think again

 

[Yaseen1]

if u.s attack Syria russia should respond by striking u.s army and equipment in Syria and also support afghan taliban with more weapons as u.s is also responsible for above 100 killings of innoccents s

if u.s attack Syria russia should respond by striking u.s army and equipment in Syria and also support afghan taliban with more weapons as u.s is also responsible for above 100 killings of innocents students of Madrasah in qundoz

 

[LeGenD]

So did they achieve their objectives in the places you listed.....think not.....if you think so you need to think again

I provided examples of their 'objectives' in those places.

Can you pinpoint the objectives that I have missed?

 

[truthseeker2010]

1. US ousted North Korea from South Korea = victory
2. US ousted Iraq from Kuwait = victory
3. US closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in Iraq = victory
4. US enabled post-Saddam Iraq to defeat ISIS = victory
5. US closed the chapter of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya = victory

There are scores of other conflicts in which US has performed well.

nk-sk still on going
vietnam.........
iraq still in chaos
libya civil war still going
afghanistan...........

 

[LeGenD]

nk-sk still on going
vietnam.........
iraq still in chaos
libya civil war still going
afghanistan...........

1. US certainly experienced defeat in Vietnam but a setback in this expedition was inconsequential to the grand scheme of things in relation to the Cold War which ended in the favor of the US by 1991. FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-american-wars.538912/

2. Iraq is recovering.

3. American expedition was restricted to 'regime-change' in Libya. Its aftermath does not matter.

4. American expedition in Afghanistan has not ended yet. However, they reduced Al-Qaeda Network to insignificant levels in Afpak region [primary objective] and they continue to punish Taliban for their lack of political foresight and acumen. Taliban-based sources have openly expressed their desire to negotiate an end-game with the US recently. Irrespective of bluster and noise in media, US continue to call the shots in Afpak region.

Now, if some members were expecting Hollywood-style idealistic/utopian outcomes in real-life forays then they will be disappointed. There are some 'local/regional realities' that US can never address with its politco-conventional interventions - no foreign entity can.

US can erase Afghanistan from existence with its firepower [if desired] but it cannot transform Afghanistan into a democratic utopia [Afghan society is too tribal and fragmented for its own good].

 

[truthseeker2010]

1. US certainly experienced defeat in Vietnam but a setback in this expedition was inconsequential to the grand scheme of things in relation to the Cold War which ended in the favor of the US by 1991. FYI: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/history-of-american-wars.538912/

2. Iraq is recovering.

3. American expedition was restricted to 'regime-change' in Libya. Its aftermath does not matter.

4. American expedition in Afghanistan has not ended yet. However, they reduced Al-Qaeda Network to insignificant levels in Afpak region [primary objective] and they continue to punish Taliban for their lack of political foresight and acumen. Taliban-based sources have openly expressed their desire to negotiate an end-game with the US recently. Irrespective of bluster and noise in media, US continue to call the shots in Afpak region.

Now, if some members were expecting Hollywood-style idealistic/utopian outcomes in real-life forays then they will be disappointed. There are some 'local/regional realities' that US can never address with its politco-conventional interventions - no foreign entity can.

US can erase Afghanistan from existence with its firepower [if desired] but it cannot transform Afghanistan into a democratic utopia [Afghan society is too tribal and fragmented for its own good].

For first US is not alone.
For second, US has done everything short of nuke, yet the fiasco continues.......

 

[500]

https://twitter.com/x/status/983056359062212609

https://twitter.com/x/status/983057059833892864

 

[LeGenD]

For first US is not alone.
For second, US has done everything short of nuke, yet the fiasco continues.......

US has not attempted to 'erase' any country from the map yet. Should they attempt such a thing, a country on its receiving-end would turn into a "ruined ghost-town" in a matter of days.

We are witnessing a chapter of politico-conventional interventions under the banner of War On Terror since 2001. Overarching agenda is to DEGRADE the capacity of rogue militias (notably ISIS and Al-Qaeda Network) to posit a threat to global order, punish regimes which foster such forces and/or replace them with political elements which do not foster such forces (and would not threaten American interests in the years to come). Shadowy agenda is to milk the American Military Industrial Complex (good for business till the milking lasts). My choice of words might be too formal for this kind of conversation but many do not understand the War On Terror enterprise.

My observation is that US is inching towards 'desired outcome' in its War On Terror enterprise; slowly but surely. They are not trying to address Sunni-Shia strife or such.

In layman terms, they are taking action against rogue militias wherever feasible and punishing those states which stand in their way.

 

[The SC]

1. US ousted North Korea from South Korea = victory
2. US ousted Iraq from Kuwait = victory
3. US closed the chapter of Saddam Hussein in Iraq = victory
4. US enabled post-Saddam Iraq to defeat ISIS = victory
5. US closed the chapter of Muammar Qaddafi in Libya = victory

There are scores of other conflicts in which US has performed well.

For short term direct objectives, that is mostly true.. but the side effects were very negative in general, since it is from these same short term victories that Al Qaeda, ISIS and many similar groups have seen light..compromising any US and its allies' gains on the medium and long terms.. meaning decades of war.. making those short term victories quite irrelevant, since they have amplified the conflicts and created a worst environment than the one before// Even Trump was quoted saying that "if Saddam has stayed in power, we would have a more stable ME than now"..This is not a statement of victory, but of regret..