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@LeGenD

I doubt that Russia can overwhelm and defeat Turkey in a conventional clash.

In time of an all out war, they'll have to face around 40 million soldiers because like in the war of independence the whole nation men and women will mobilize, i think it's wrong to compare our country to any other in the world.
 
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I would advise you to read the Russian military doctrine (can use google translation).

Президент Ð*оссии

Besides as i said before, it is the perception of (biased) media that comes into play in most posts, not the reality.
I have read Russian military doctrine. You better focus on Russian nuclear doctrine. Why do you think that Russia overwhelmingly relies on its nuclear weapons to safeguard its interests?

Russia is no where close to USA in warfare capabilities. According to expert assessment, Russian military is still 'mediocre' in capabilities with much hype surrounding it.
 
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I don't care your military doctrine, our Motto is clear: Difficulties we'll overcome, impossibility will only take some time.
 
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This is assessment of a Russian General:

In short, Makarov suggested Spring 2009 that Russian forces were incapable of fighting a modern war and had to be radically reformed.
 
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Krivak-III frigates


Akula-II class nuke SSNs


Russian navy equipment is pure GOLD^^:smitten:

Lets not forget the brand-new Sukhoi Su-30SM strike fighters would be aquired by Black Sea Fleet
for air support, i'm pretty sure these aircraft would punch big holes in the hulls of NATO ships :butcher:
 
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This is assessment of a Russian General:

In short, Makarov suggested Spring 2009 that Russian forces were incapable of fighting a modern war and had to be radically reformed.

Why don't you quote the whole research paper? The assessment has been written by Roger McDermott, who is a research fellow in the US. As can be seen by his false rants in the first paragraph, he is heavily biased against Russia.:tdown:

Russia’s rapid military victory over Georgia in August 2008 surprised many commentators, since it stood in stark contrast to the manner in which Russian forces had once become bogged down in a protracted conflict in Chechnya. On the other hand, the conflict might be thought of as the final war of the twentieth century, fought by a Soviet legacy force, desperately seeking to make do with dated equipment and a top-heavy command and control system more suited to conducting the kind of large-scale conventional warfare that had passed into the annals of military history. Damage to Russia’s international reputation also ensued, jeopardizing the nation’s relations with the European Union and NATO and raising questions regarding the legality of what Moscow dubbed a “peace enforcement operation” that precipitated its unilateral recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.1 Russia’s military actions provoked widespread international condemnation, spread panic among foreign investors, and left the East European and Baltic members of NATO calling for protection from a “resurgent Russia.” In the following analysis, the lessons learned by the Russian military will be examined in the context of an announced military reform and rearmament program aimed at producing a more efficient, combat-capable conventional force by 2020. Despite the rapid victory, the war itself exposed fundamental weaknesses and shortcomings in Russia’s armed forces, reinforcing conditions that were already known and served as a catalyst for the military reform program.

Krivak-III frigates

Russian navy equipment is pure GOLD^^:smitten:

Lets not forget the brand-new Sukhoi Su-30SM strike fighters would be aquired by Black Sea Fleet
for air support, i'm pretty sure these aircraft would punch big holes in the hulls of NATO ships :butcher:

People don't understand it is the result that counts. Each US aircraft carrier can be sunk by one of Russia's hypersonics.

Military strategy is based on a overall assessment of both sides. Not just "how many ships you got".

We do recognise that we need to improve further. With the recent upsurge in Russian economy, its just a matter of time.:tup:
 
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Really what kind of a Kazakh are you like? Aren't you suppose to belong to Altaic-family?



 
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Russia would procure large quantities of supersonic/hypersonic cruise missiles that
are totally deadly for enemy ships. I don't wish to be rude but i dont think that
Turkish/NATO navies' ships have adequate defences against such superfast missiles.
 
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I'm pretty sure Russian Navy will get Hypersonic cruise missiles soon, and then
no NATO ships of today or those that would be produced in future cannot resist an
attack by Russian Navy's fleets.

TU-22, TU-95 and TU-160 can carry Kh-22/Kh-32 Kh-22 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia anti-ship missles that can accelerate up to Mach 6 with a range about 500km
 
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Really what kind of a Kazakh are you like? Aren't you suppose to belong to Altaic-family?

Kazakhastan is part of Russia as of now. There are no borders and custom checks. And their president have a say on policies implemented in Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan. So what kind of Kazakh he should be? :)
 
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I have read Russian military doctrine. You better focus on Russian nuclear doctrine. Why do you think that Russia overwhelmingly relies on its nuclear weapons to safeguard its interests?

Russia is no where close to USA in warfare capabilities. According to expert assessment, Russian military is still 'mediocre' in capabilities with much hype surrounding it.

Because Their conventional army are so big and obsolete (Most of them come from Soviet era and needs huge huge investments to upgrade) and can't be on par with Western equivalents so In last years, Russian procurement strategy altered course towards west to purchase many things.

Actually, I am talking about so basic and clear things but Russian friends insist on talking other things. Again, Russian Blacksea fleet CAN't be on par with Turkish Navy. Don't tell me fairytales suc as your airforce strength, cruise missiles's ranges or future programs because We have also lots of programs, aircrafts, cruise missiles that can be typed as a response but It is Russian Blacksea fleet issued...

BTW, The member who calls Harpoon SSM as a crap missile system with having a range of 120km, created a new era in terms of ignorance. Harpoon Block-II has 280+km and Air Launchable Harpoon system called SLAM-Er Turkish F-16's use are having a range of aprox. 290km.
 
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@zzzz

Kazakhastan is part of Russia as of now. There are no borders and custom checks. And their president have a say on policies implemented in Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan. So what kind of Kazakh he should be?

Well, you may be friends and all but family comes first, he should be a Kazakh who don't openly disrespect the family in front of others.
 
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Kazakhastan is part of Russia as of now. There are no borders and custom checks. And their president have a say on policies implemented in Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan. So what kind of Kazakh he should be? :)

Indeed I think the borders in the map are just a nuisance. I am a strong supporter of Eurasian Union and I hope it materializes soon! :enjoy:

@zzzz

Well, you may be friends and all but family comes first, he should be a Kazakh who don't openly disrespect the family in front of others.

I have never disrespected Turkey? You should have a closer look at my posts. If you think that by criticising Turkey's inclusion of NATO and by saying (the truth) that Turkey cannot stand in front of Russia (conventionally and nuclear) I have disrespected Turkey then you are wrong.
 
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@Cabatli

BTW, The member who calls Harpoon SSM as a crap missile system with having a range of 120km, created a new era in terms of ignorance. Harpoon Block-II has 280+km and Air Launchable Harpoon system called SLAM-Er Turkish F-16's use are having a range of aprox. 290km.

Do we have the Block-II or not?
 
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Don't tell me fairytales suc as your airforce strength, cruise missiles's ranges or future programs because We have also lots of programs, aircrafts, cruise missiles that can be typed as a response but It is Russian Blacksea fleet issued...
And your response will fail miserably. That is the point.
BTW, The member who calls Harpoon SSM as a crap missile system with having a range of 120km, created a new era in terms of ignorance. Harpoon Block-II has 280+km and Air Launchable Harpoon system called SLAM-Er Turkish F-16's use are having a range of aprox. 290km.

yeah, and calling navy ships with superior weapons as rusty junk is objective analize coming from you :lol: Btw Turkish ships are not equipped with Harpoon II so their range is irrelevant
 
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