Russian radar in Armenia to block an US/Israeli strike on Iran from the nor

[anon45]

DebkaFile lolololol.

 

[cabatli_53]

Please do think that Russian ships are rusty, and please be ignorant enough to think that other Russian ships/submarines do not visit or patrol near the port, and by all means please do think that the Turkish navy will not have to deal with other Russian warships.


What makes you think that Russian submarines do not stalk Turkish ships or that every ship you listed will be available to Turkey? Even if Turkey manages to sink some ships from the Black Sea Fleet what makes you think that the rest of the Russian navy won’t come to assist? And when the rest of the Russian navy does come where will Turkish ships hid?

Yes, Those are what I wanted to learn from your perspective. It is seen in your statements that Russian Blacksea navy ships which has to face with Turkish Navy are obsolete and can't par with Turkey not only by numbers but also technology. Keep deluding yourself with sinking all Turkish fleet with 1-2 Blacksea fleet submarines or wait for help from other naval bases locating N. Pole and Bering sea...

That's What you have in Blacksea. Numbers never lie...

1 kilo = 14+6 Turkish SSK
1 cruiser and 2 Kara destroyers+ Kashin without missiles + 2 Krivaks = Turkey's 18 frigates, 8 (10 under production) corvettes, 27 missile boats

 

[ptldM3]

Yes, Those are what I wanted to learn from your perspective. It is seen in your statements that Russian Blacksea navy ships which has to face with Turkish Navy are obsolete and can't par with Turkey not only by numbers but also technology. Keep deluding yourself with sinking all Turkish fleet with 1-2 Blacksea fleet submarines or wait for help from other naval bases locating N. Pole and Bering sea...

That's What you have in Blacksea. Numbers never lie...

Like I said keep underestimating the Russian navy, everyone that underestimates the Russian military eventually retreats, history has proven that a dozen times. A few nuclear hunter subs which Turkey does not have can sink the most advanced ships.

1 kilo = 14+6 Turkish SSK
1 cruiser and 2 Kara destroyers+ Kashin without missiles + 2 Krivaks = Turkey's 18 frigates, 8 (10 under production) corvettes, 27 missile boats

Where do you get your information? Do you actually know what ships are stationed in the Black Sea? And Turkey having ten ships under construction is irrelevant, the black sea fleet will have 15-18 new ships, and the Russian navy will have 100 new ships altogether, so ten mediocre ships aren’t going to be a game changer.

 

[King Solomon]

Sorry but How will Russia destroy Turkey ? Do you suppose Turkish Army something like equivalent with Georgian army being crushed by Russia ? Have you ever check the Turkish Naval fleet being navigated in Blacksea which Russia can't even come close with its rusty fleet... What about airfleet of both ? Do you have some information about avarage flying times/battle-readiness of TurAF pilots which Russian airforce may reach %50 of Turaf education/training and flying hours ? If you described it like a bloody fight against Russia-Turkey, I will agree with you but Terms like "Being destroyed by Russia" is impossible If You are talking about Turkish Army..

Your pride has been influenced by the false image created by western media that NATO weapons are "all powerful" and "invincible". And since Turkey has NATO weapons, they are "invincible", right?

Well, you are waiting for a big surprise, my friend.

http://news.kremlin.ru/ref_notes/461

 

[twilight]

twilight !

هیچ کشوری عاشق چشم و ابروی ایران نیست

همین بشار اسد یادت نیست با زنش می رفت ترکیه

...

ایرانی ها باید به خودشون متکی باشن

don't response me with my words !!!

 

[Malik Usman]

Turkey is nothing but a tool for Europe and USA, I have said this many times, Turkey wants a membership in the EU, and EU will hold this 'dream' of turkey against it and use it as a tool to control Turkey.
And of course Russia will not let USA get any closer anymore, its time to put a limit and draw the lines.

My brother atleast Turkey developed something and still developing lot of things.....but on ther other hand whole Arab world they are slaves (in modern terms) to US....in almost every arab country US has military bases and they control those countries and suck oils through their Kings on each country.

 

[cabatli_53]

Like I said keep underestimating the Russian navy, everyone that underestimates the Russian military eventually retreats, history has proven that a dozen times. A few nuclear hunter subs which Turkey does not have can sink the most advanced ships.



Where do you get your information? Do you actually know what ships are stationed in the Black Sea? And Turkey having ten ships under construction is irrelevant, the black sea fleet will have 15-18 new ships, and the Russian navy will have 100 new ships altogether, so ten mediocre ships aren’t going to be a game changer.

Noone is underestimating the Russian Navy. Russia is a big country indeed but Those are welknown facts typed with the names of the ships and taken from a reliable source. Nothing is secret. Russian Blacksea fleet can't be on par with Turkish Navy in every field. Which part of it is hard to understand ?


If you pay attention to all your own sentences, You always emphasize your points of view for future naval programs instead of mentioning rusty soviet junks locating in Russian Navy's hand now a days. I can see your unconsiousness my friend

Do you wanna see the future programs of Turkish Naval Industry ?

 

[cabatli_53]

BTW, Good chances for hunting all Turkish navy with a few submarines or wait help from N. Pole and Bering sea fleets ( Even If they arrive Mediterranean sea, They can't pass through Turkish straits for help but Interesting part of the story is How they will find fuel enough to turn back, Even If they manage to survive ) Ahh sorry, You will also need an icebreaker to be in correct place in time as well...

BTW, Do you know How many Anti-SubmarineWarfare aircrafts-helicopters Turkish navy operates ? or How strong domestic sonar systems stationed/keep statining all around the homeland to detect underwater threats ?


Anyway, Joke aside, Contrary to Russia, Turkish Military adopted Domestic Network Centric warfare environment to all Air, Land and Naval Forces with safe command-control communication substructure. It is also tested in NATO operations as well so Detecting a thing and classifying it as a threat to send the correct military assets to neutralize the enemy as soon as possible is just a matter clicking the button in Command-Control Centers of Turkey locating under ground...

I mean It is really hard to down a Turkish plane with a Turkish missile system

 

[zzzz]

Noone is underestimating the Russian Navy. Russia is a big country indeed but Those are welknown facts typed with the names of the ships and taken from a reliable source. Nothing is secret. Russian Blacksea fleet can't be on par with Turkish Navy in every field. Which part of it is hard to understand ?


If you pay attention to all your own sentences, You always emphasize your points of view for future naval programs instead of mentioning rusty soviet junks locating in Russian Navy's hand now a days. I can see your unconsiousness my friend

Do you wanna see the future programs of Turkish Naval Industry ?

I checked your mighty navy. As expected your ships are equipped with junk Harpoon anti-ship missles with a range of 124km Do you know that just one cruiser Moskva has 16 supersonic anti-ship missles with a range of 550km? Do you understand it will be enough to sink all your frigates? What are u gonna do with such junk against Russian navy?

I will not even bring here TU-22 and TU-160 their pilots will be more than happy to practice live shooting on Black sea targets

 

[cabatli_53]

I checked your mighty navy. As expected your ships are equipped with junk Harpoon anti-ship missles with a range of 124km Do you know that just one cruiser Moskva has 16 supersonic anti-ship missles with a range of 550km? Do you understand it will be enough to sink all your frigates? What are u gonna do with such junk against Russian navy?

I will not even bring here TU-22 and TU-160 their pilots will be more than happy to practice live shooting on Black sea targets

Again, Nothing special in Blacksea fleet but some Airforce help to equal the power shifting.
Did you see me mentioning the Turkish cruise missiles (500km and 300km )that can be launched by TurAF against naval assets ? I am talking about Naval superiority of Turkish navy against Russian Blacksea fleet but You are talking about 1 submarine to destroy all Turkish fleet and Russian AirForce launching cruise missiles to hide some basic truths.

 

[zzzz]

Again, Nothing special in Blacksea fleet but some Airforce help to equal the power shifting.
Did you see me mentioning the Turkish cruise missiles (500km and 300km )that can be launched by TurAF against naval assets ? I am talking about Naval superiority of Turkish navy against Russian Blacksea fleet but You are talking about 1 submarine to destroy all Turkish fleet and Russian AirForce launching cruise missiles to hide some basic truths.

Ok we will exclude airforce, so how exactly your navy with 124km range anti-ship missles is gonna defeat Russian black sea fleet? You will send your vessels one by one till Russian navy run out of munitions and take it by sheer numbers?

 

[Gessler]

I'm pretty sure Russian Navy will get Hypersonic cruise missiles soon, and then
no NATO ships of today or those that would be produced in future cannot resist an
attack by Russian Navy's fleets.

 

[King Solomon]

Ok we will exclude airforce, so how exactly your navy with 124km range anti-ship missles is gonna defeat Russian black sea fleet? You will send your vessels one by one till Russian navy run out of munitions and take it by sheer numbers?

He should study the history. How the powerful Ottoman Navy got demolished in Russo-Turkish wars.

 

[LeGenD]

Like I said keep underestimating the Russian navy, everyone that underestimates the Russian military eventually retreats, history has proven that a dozen times.

Russian performance in 'defensive' roles are invalid analogies for challenges of 'offensive' roles.

Russians are good at defending their land; extreme climatic conditions also help.

However, situation is vastly different in an offensive role in which the dynamics of the enemy territory and warfare capabilities come in to play.

Georgia is a very small nation - territory wise, and very weak nation - military capabilities wise, in comparison to Turkey.

Russian-Georgia comparison in 2008 is similar to Iraq-Kuwait comparison in 1991.

I doubt that Russia can overwhelm and defeat Turkey in a conventional clash.

Also, read this:

Arguably the rapid collapse of the Georgian armed forces, however, was more a result of Georgia military weakness, poor management, and limited combat capabilities, than anything accurately reflecting the prowess of Russia’s armed forces.

Source: Professional analysis by Roger N. McDermott.

 

[King Solomon]

Russian performance in 'defensive' roles are invalid analogies for challenges of 'offensive' roles.

Russians are good at defending their land; extreme climatic conditions also help.

However, situation is vastly different in an offensive role in which the dynamics of the enemy territory and warfare capabilities come in to play.

Georgia is a very small nation - territory wise, and very weak nation - military capabilities wise, in comparison to Turkey.

Russian-Georgia comparison in 2008 is similar to Iraq-Kuwait comparison in 1991.

I doubt that Russia can overwhelm and defeat Turkey in a conventional clash.

I would advise you to read the Russian military doctrine (can use google translation).

Президент России

Besides as i said before, it is the perception of (biased) media that comes into play in most posts, not the reality.