Russian-Indian fifth-generation fighter will not be a copy of the T-50

[FSLN]

Stealth will be common technology in another 2 decades or more..

..Ok, but when its FGFA stimated maiden flight? and induction(usualy 10 years after maiden flight) well I guess its all depend on time, if FGFA will be inducted after 2020 then its feasible that india could surpass Raptor original 1990s tech...

 

[Super Falcon]

well yet chinese fragon JXX to be shown real threat to american F 22 and russian PakFA im sure chinese are not sitting like ducks to be kicked off they have something like dragon inside their sleeve

 

[Kinetic]

None of them operational,we can call it successful after only their induction.

T-50 is also not operational.

much more advanced is just illusion.
India is not contributing with own technology.Only few of them will be there from India.

India not contributing any technology is just an illusion because they have already committed for 25% of the works.

Then there is restriction for India from US and European countries after our Nuclear test.

What is that has to do with Russia giving permission, instead they could have take advantage of it.

Only Tarang, LC display are Indian I think.

with whom I am talking!!!

Tarang RWR
Radar computers
Mission Computers
Shiv High accuracy Direction finding pod
data links etc

What many systems my friend, can you please give me a proof?
MMR's antenna is Indian baaki sub Israeli
Check the Risat1&2 program mate.

More than 50% of the systems on Barak-NG is Indian like the dual pulse engine, command and control centers etc etc.

Please give me a link.

I thought you knew this!!!!

We shown interest because it's much more advanced coz US tech in it.

but aren't Russian technologies were the best in everything?? We also used inferior Israeli systems replacing superior Russian systems in MKI.

I will give a detail explanation for this later.

Thanks.

We can get a clear picture after FGFA prototype is ready

But what about India's 25% contribution while they are inferior to Russian one??? IAF must be mad.

From Engine to radar all crucial parts are directly coming from Russia.Do you really think that one country will give you full information on their technology and ruin their market,Impossible.It's simple logic mate.

Who talking about engine ad airframe?? FGFA or PAKFA engine and airframe will be same. I am talking about other systems. But they can't just replace engine and airframe with inferior one as we can see, rests will be done by India.

Only 2 countries have "state of the Art Stealth technology" and India its not one of them(for now)....

Only USA makes everything with best technologies not Russia. They are equivalent to USA in terms of many areas but inferior. In some areas, Israel etc are better.

 

[1000VA]

well yet chinese fragon JXX to be shown real threat to american F 22 and russian PakFA im sure chinese are not sitting like ducks to be kicked off they have something like dragon inside their sleeve

Be cool mate at least please wait for a prototype then we will discuss about it.....until then

 

[FSLN]

Only USA makes everything with best technologies not Russia.

At least Russia got a 5th gene(prototype) flying...

 

[FSLN]

Be cool mate at least please wait for a prototype

they have like 4 stealth prototype but none of them have made it out of the drawing board....

 

[1000VA]

T-50 is also not operational.

Don't compare India with Russia here, they will certainly achieve their goal fastly.

India not contributing any technology is just an illusion because they have already committed for 25% of the works.

Only committed right?
Here I quote Ajai shukla's report from Business Standard.
Russia is sceptical about India’s design ability in such a cutting edge project. In June 2008, Business Standard interviewed Vyacheslav Trubnikov, then Russia’s ambassador to India, and an expert on Russia’s defence industry. Contrasting the Su-30MKI with the Tejas LCA, Trubnikov pointed out snidely, “I know perfectly well the Russian ability. But I don’t know what contribution the Indian side might make. So, one must ask the question to the Indian designers, to HAL…what is their claim for building a fighter of the fifth generation type? Either avionics, or engine? What might be India’s contribution? To be absolutely frank, I don’t know.”

What is that has to do with Russia giving permission, instead they could have take advantage of it.

Indo-Russian partnership is decades old and more than 75% of their military export is to India,then why should they take advantage of us and ruin their name.

with whom I am talking!!!

Tarang RWR
Radar computers
Mission Computers
Shiv High accuracy Direction finding pod
data links etc

Tarang is originally made for Mig-21bison program baaki sub made under so called 'project Vetrivel' expect Datalinks they are from Israel.From my information the LCD displays also co-developed with THALES.Do you think these are 'state of art'

More than 50% of the systems on Barak-NG is Indian like the dual pulse engine, command and control centers etc etc.

more than 50% link please.

I thought you knew this!!!!

No I don't.

but aren't Russian technologies were the best in everything?? We also used inferior Israeli systems replacing superior Russian systems in MKI.

I never said Russian technologies are ahead of Israelis.Am I?

But what about India's 25% contribution while they are inferior to Russian one??? IAF must be mad.

Arrey bhai Indian's only claimed to build 25% Let see what we are capable of.

Who talking about engine ad airframe?? FGFA or PAKFA engine and airframe will be same. I am talking about other systems. But they can't just replace engine and airframe with inferior one as we can see, rests will be done by India.

I said about Su-30MKI prodution

Only USA makes everything with best technologies not Russia. They are equivalent to USA in terms of many areas but inferior. In some areas, Israel etc are better.

This reply is for FSLN right?

 

[Kinetic]

Don't compare India with Russia here, they will certainly achieve their goal fastly.

I know that better. We have seen Gorshkov. Read your original comment.

Only committed right?
Here I quote Ajai shukla's report from Business Standard.
Russia is sceptical about India’s design ability in such a cutting edge project. In June 2008, Business Standard interviewed Vyacheslav Trubnikov, then Russia’s ambassador to India, and an expert on Russia’s defence industry. Contrasting the Su-30MKI with the Tejas LCA, Trubnikov pointed out snidely, “I know perfectly well the Russian ability. But I don’t know what contribution the Indian side might make. So, one must ask the question to the Indian designers, to HAL…what is their claim for building a fighter of the fifth generation type? Either avionics, or engine? What might be India’s contribution? To be absolutely frank, I don’t know.”

That was not reply. India will do the 25%. What defence officials say doesn't bother you than with 25% of works India might be doing something else, say they will make the hanger!!!

Indo-Russian partnership is decades old and more than 75% of their military export is to India,then why should they take advantage of us and ruin their name.

lol Gorshkov again.

Tarang is originally made for Mig-21bison program baaki sub made under so called 'project Vetrivel' expect Datalinks they are from Israel.From my information the LCD displays also co-developed with THALES.Do you think these are 'state of art'

You earleir didn't know about anything except Tarang and LCD. but now why changed to vetrivel etc???

more than 50% link please.

I will ask you for the statement like India is not giving any 'state of the art systems'.

No I don't.

than learn fast. Without knowledge you can't talk You even don't know what is India's contribution to MKI.

I never said Russian technologies are ahead of Israelis.Am I?

Yes you did. You said only two countries make state of the art technologies.

Arrey bhai Indian's only claimed to build 25% Let see what we are capable of.

It will be more than 50% of the work at the end. Indian systes will be more than Russian.

I said about Su-30MKI prodution

Again backing off?? READ YOUR COMMENT FIRST. I am also talking about MKI. From radar to engine everything are made in india. If you don't know, than google it.

This reply is for FSLN right?

No it was for you.

lol My words meant nothing for you! If I replied for apple you talk about ocean, if I talk about ocean you talk about moon.

Its clear that In some areas India is better in most of the areas Russia is better.

 

[1000VA]

I know that better. We have seen Gorshkov. Read your original comment.

Gorshkov is Russian Federations first major deal after their split from USSR gone wrong and their support & maintenance of other equipments gone wrong too at that time,apart from this one can you point out any other such deals?

That was not reply. India will do the 25%. What defence officials say doesn't bother you than with 25% of works India might be doing something else, say they will make the hanger!!!

Let's wait for this one,surely India will end up with some Israeli,French tech and JV

lol Gorshkov again.

You earleir didn't know about anything except Tarang and LCD. but now why changed to vetrivel etc???

Simple I checked it

I will ask you for the statement like India is not giving any 'state of the art systems'.

Mission computers,Radar computers and Tarang are certainly not 'State of art'.If Russia is going to agree to add any of our 'own' technology to their aircraft I will certainly agree to your claim.

than learn fast. Without knowledge you can't talk You even don't know what is India's contribution to MKI.

I think I learned Oops Sorry.

Yes you did. You said only two countries make state of the art technologies.

When?Check post 56

It will be more than 50% of the work at the end. Indian systes will be more than Russian.

About 80% of work completed.

Again backing off?? READ YOUR COMMENT FIRST. I am also talking about MKI. From radar to engine everything are made in india. If you don't know, than google it.

Check my previous posts first, it was my reply to your comment Post: 55
'Which parts??? from engines to radar everything are made in India'
I saw it with my own eyes so don't wanna google it for the answer.

No it was for you.

Please check the Post No:56 and comment.

lol My words meant nothing for you! If I replied for apple you talk about ocean, if I talk about ocean you talk about moon.

Seriously what you think? From a lot of money you can buy all the technologies of a nation which they achieved from decades of experience and suffering?

Its clear that In some areas India is better in most of the areas Russia is better.

Mission and Radar Computers doesn't fly my friend.

 

[Patrician]

Only USA makes everything with best technologies not Russia.

That's not true. USSR was competing very well with USA in terms of technology until their economy did them in. Only thing they lack is money and India is chipping in with that too.

Moreover, American equipment also comes with many strings attached like EULA, CISMOA etc.

Just compare the nuke deals we got with US and Russia and you'll know the answer.

So don't jump to conclusions so soon buddy.

 

[kingdurgaking]

..Ok, but when its FGFA stimated maiden flight? and induction(usualy 10 years after maiden flight) well I guess its all depend on time, if FGFA will be inducted after 2020 then its feasible that india could surpass Raptor original 1990s tech...

Stealth is a old tech from F-117... Raptor has incorporated with a new enhanced feature... which is a 80's program..and Russia has being doing research on stealth from early 90's .... and so is India's contribution.. we are just hoping it will surpass. but it may not.. but surely a better Stealth will come in when you design the second fighter... so hopefully we expect FGFA to outpace PAKFA.. and Russia will not feel bad because the technology will be still available with them which can be enhanced on future upgrades or UCAV...

 

[FSLN]

Stealth is a old tech from F-117... which is a 80's program.....

old 70's tech to U.S.A(The F-117A's first flight was in 1981), new tech to Russia and Dream tech to china and India.....

 

[kingdurgaking]

old 70's tech to U.S.A(The F-117A's first flight was in 1981), new tech to Russia and Dream tech to china and India.....

hmmm Russia were doing research on this for a long time... ptldm3 will be better to answer your question how new it is for Russia... How ever you argue .. we are confident of building our OWN AMCA by 2025 which will have full stealth as per ASR.. And research on this have already have begun some time back which is evident on Wind tunnels.. So India is capable of contributing to stealth for FGFA.. Since nothing is there as of now we cant convince you.. so you need to wait for another 1/2 a decade to bring this thread alive

 

[jha]

Russia Submits Draft Of FGFA Contract To India

Russia and India are moving fast on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said Oct. 7 following the 10th Meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation here.

Military cooperation between the two countries is defined through an umbrella intergovernmental agreement covering 2011-2020. The document was signed during the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Russia in December of last year.

While India and Russia have signed the shareholders agreement for a joint venture company for the development and production of the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA), they also have agreed to expedite the joint design, development and production of the FGFA. The deal is estimated at $25 billion. The agreement envisages India will receive about 250-300 FGFAs.

“We have done the design of the plane, we have developed the time frames, the price, and the draft of the contract has already been submitted to the Indian side, which is under their consideration,” Serdyukov said.

“India hopes to get 45 Medium Transport Aircraft and also finalize the FGFA,” Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony said, adding that “technical formalities” of the deal should be cleared within a few months.

The FGFA is based on the Russian Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA, which flew for the first time this January at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur facility in Siberia.

The 30-ton aircraft is priced at around $100 million each. “It would be a swing-role fighter with highly advanced avionics, giving 360-deg. situational awareness, stealth to increase survivability and smart weapons,” Indian Air Force Chief V.K. Naik said. He added the aircraft is expected to join the force by 2017.

The FGFA will be capable of covering long ranges without air-to-air refueling and will have super-cruise features along with advanced mission computers, Naik added.

 

[kingdurgaking]

Russia Submits Draft Of FGFA Contract To India

Russia and India are moving fast on the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA), Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov said Oct. 7 following the 10th Meeting of the India-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Military Technical Cooperation here.

Military cooperation between the two countries is defined through an umbrella intergovernmental agreement covering 2011-2020. The document was signed during the visit of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Russia in December of last year.

While India and Russia have signed the shareholders agreement for a joint venture company for the development and production of the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA), they also have agreed to expedite the joint design, development and production of the FGFA. The deal is estimated at $25 billion. The agreement envisages India will receive about 250-300 FGFAs.

“We have done the design of the plane, we have developed the time frames, the price, and the draft of the contract has already been submitted to the Indian side, which is under their consideration,” Serdyukov said.

“India hopes to get 45 Medium Transport Aircraft and also finalize the FGFA,” Indian Defense Minister A.K. Antony said, adding that “technical formalities” of the deal should be cleared within a few months.

The FGFA is based on the Russian Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA, which flew for the first time this January at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur facility in Siberia.

The 30-ton aircraft is priced at around $100 million each. “It would be a swing-role fighter with highly advanced avionics, giving 360-deg. situational awareness, stealth to increase survivability and smart weapons,” Indian Air Force Chief V.K. Naik said. He added the aircraft is expected to join the force by 2017.

The FGFA will be capable of covering long ranges without air-to-air refueling and will have super-cruise features along with advanced mission computers, Naik added.

hmm swing-role.. like EF? .. what advantage we get on swing-role over multi-role over omni-role.. can some one elaborate please...


by the way this news says FGFA is base on PAK-FA.. other report says FGFA will be different of PAK-FA.. what a crap... we need a report on what kind of work is shared.. some one ask Shiv or Shukla or HAL please