Russian 720 MHz CPU Elbrus-4C can run Doom 3 BFG @1080p | future of Russia's semiconductor Industry

[jamahir]

lol what does that mean?

Dude, i am just trying to find the correspondent CPU level we are looking at. Do you think my view is wrong?

you were comparing processors based on their clock speed, which is not the way to measure processor performance.

think of this... elbrus at 750 mhz performs like a ghz level intel processor ( from what i have been reading ), especially because elbrus has native facility to emulate intel x86 instructions without any troubles.

but the natural design of a processor is where it works at 0 hz... that is, the instructions work without a clock... google for clock-less processors... and i am participating in design of one since five years.

so how would a compare a clock-less processor to one from intel running at 2.5 ghz... what will be your factors when used in general mode... additionally, performance also depends on the control program ( operating system ).

Have you done CPU design?

funny that you quoted me for the very thing i was replying to jhungary for.

i have been participating since five years in design of a clock-less processor which has a much simplified and optimized architecture... less than 20 instructions, long-word instructions, new way of i/o and other things.

Have you done CPU design? One class in college had me doing a partial design of the PDP-8 cpu. Trying to get everything working reliably without a clock would be a whole new class of complexity, for only a tiny (potential) performance improvement. The clock is how the flip-flops go from remembering state to transitioning to a new state. Removing the clock would require rework of so much basic design as to be impossible.

you are saying that for two reasons...

1. not many have attempted such a thing, so not many ready references.
2. the extra number of signals for asychronous actions.

of course it requires big rework... what's the problem in rethinking processor design?? my project has done it.

RISC designs are a better approach, and hybrid RISC/CISC designs have already beaten those.

risc is indeed better... but for hybrid example, let us consider pentium 4 ( hybrid ) to arm latest ( risc )... even removing the on-board gpu, arm gives good performance with respect to battery power, yes?? we cannot miniaturize pentium 4 and jam it into a cell phone because p4 will drain the battery fast.

Someone may have done some theoretical research on performance gains from eliminating the clock, but I really doubt there is much to be gained there.

not only theoretical, there has been a arm clock-less release but it didn't really take off, i would say for capitalist reasons... the arm996hs... ( ARM offers first clockless processor core | EE Times )... and there has been a older british university work called amulet... ( University spinouts revive clockless processors | EE Times ).

Theoretically, you could arrange the timing so that each layer of logic was timed per it's own glitchiness and distance from the previous layer, but as a practical matter, stuffs gonna have to line up for execution of instructions anyhow. So, you'd wind up needing to wait on the slower links anyhow. May as well just clock it and tune the clock for worst case. The difference just isn't going to be that big - and given how many instructions will be executed per second, any measurable error rate is unacceptable.

i somehow don't seem, right now, to relate my project's simplifications/optimizations with the problems you describe... allow me to look at your description at a slow pace and then reply to you.

 

[jhungary]

you were comparing processors based on their clock speed, which is not the way to measure processor performance.

think of this... elbrus at 750 mhz performs like a ghz level intel processor ( from what i have been reading ), especially because elbrus has native facility to emulate intel x86 instructions without any troubles.

but the natural design of a processor is where it works at 0 hz... that is, the instructions work without a clock... google for clock-less processors... and i am participating in design of one since five years.

so how would a compare a clock-less processor to one from intel running at 2.5 ghz... what will be your factors when used in general mode... additionally, performance also depends on the control program ( operating system ).

dude, this article is about the russian Clocked CPU (Synchronous Circuit) when you have to compare them, you have to compare them with the same technology to the West, which are also clocked

I am well aware of clockless desgin, but why would you bring that up bothers me, and to say they are natural processing design? I simply cannot agrees with you

When you want to talk about Awynchronous Circuit, then that would be another topic altogether, hence i ask i dont understand what are you saying and why would you bring up Clockless CPU when the topic is about clocked CPU. Synchorous and Asynchodous have a completely different CPU architechture. You cannot compare the both. If you want to open anothr thread on clockless CPU i am all game, but well, this threads is about a Russian Clocked design, which run on a complete differen architechture than a clockless one.

Like when you are talking about cars, comparing their horsepower and torque, then you put in comment about planes....

So to your question, how do you compare intel Ivy Bridge processor to clockless chip? You cant, as those two are a different concept, if you want to compare anything to clockless processor, then you need to compare them with fellow clockless processor, by the way, intel have been known working in asynchorous chip since at least 2001

Have you done CPU design? One class in college had me doing a partial design of the PDP-8 cpu. Trying to get everything working reliably without a clock would be a whole new class of complexity, for only a tiny (potential) performance improvement. The clock is how the flip-flops go from remembering state to transitioning to a new state. Removing the clock would require rework of so much basic design as to be impossible.

RISC designs are a better approach, and hybrid RISC/CISC designs have already beaten those.

Someone may have done some theoretical research on performance gains from eliminating the clock, but I really doubt there is much to be gained there. Theoretically, you could arrange the timing so that each layer of logic was timed per it's own glitchiness and distance from the previous layer, but as a practical matter, stuffs gonna have to line up for execution of instructions anyhow. So, you'd wind up needing to wait on the slower links anyhow. May as well just clock it and tune the clock for worst case. The difference just isn't going to be that big - and given how many instructions will be executed per second, any measurable error rate is unacceptable.

you also need to compare the logic behind both circuit, where it means combinational logic and sequential logic

Many CPU designer argue the Clockless design without a clocking circuit would indeed be more advantagous than the Clocked flip flop circuit, but then combination logic is simplier than sequential logic which is prone to overfloating error(last i heard back in 2008) as CPU memory is involved.

So one have to ask, if the solution of solving the logical indifference is worth the speed advantage clockless circuit enjoy? That itself is a good question.

But that should not be discuss here as we are talking about the new Russian Clocked server CPU design, not even about clockless Cpu lol

 

[zzzz]

dude, this article is about the russian Clocked CPU (Synchronous Circuit) when you have to compare them, you have to compare them with the same technology to the West, which are also clocked

I am well aware of clockless desgin, but why would you bring that up bothers me, and to say they are natural processing design? I simply cannot agrees with you

When you want to talk about Awynchronous Circuit, then that would be another topic altogether, hence i ask i dont understand what are you saying and why would you bring up Clockless CPU when the topic is about clocked CPU. Synchorous and Asynchodous have a completely different CPU architechture. You cannot compare the both. If you want to open anothr thread on clockless CPU i am all game, but well, this threads is about a Russian Clocked design, which run on a complete differen architechture than a clockless one.

Like when you are talking about cars, comparing their horsepower and torque, then you put in comment about planes....

So to your question, how do you compare intel Ivy Bridge processor to clockless chip? You cant, as those two are a different concept, if you want to compare anything to clockless processor, then you need to compare them with fellow clockless processor, by the way, intel have been known working in asynchorous chip since at least 2001



you also need to compare the logic behind both circuit, where it means combinational logic and sequential logic

Many CPU designer argue the Clockless design without a clocking circuit would indeed be more advantagous than the Clocked flip flop circuit, but then combination logic is simplier than sequential logic which is prone to overfloating error(last i heard back in 2008) as CPU memory is involved.

So one have to ask, if the solution of solving the logical indifference is worth the speed advantage clockless circuit enjoy? That itself is a good question.

But that should not be discuss here as we are talking about the new Russian Clocked server CPU design, not even about clockless Cpu lol

Have you copied all that text about clock-less cpus from wikipedia? Since you dont even know that frequency is not measurement of processor performance, it certainly looks so.

 

[jhungary]

Have you copied all that text about clock-less cpus from wikipedia? Since you dont even know that frequency is not measurement of processor performance, it certainly looks so.

dude, you do know there are a lot of article , blog, journal about Clockless CPU out there on the internet, right? Not just wikipedia

I know how clockless CPU work but did you know this article is not about clockless CPU at all?

So , this is a basic premises of understanding, if you doubt what i know about clockless CPU, I have included some information that were not mentioned in Wikipedia on my reply to @nvKyleBrown . I did not say much here becuaee i consider this if off topic, did the OP went for Russian Clocked CPU technology or Clockless CPU technology?

 

[senheiser]

It is still using a Radeon Card HD 6970 for the 3D (@~20 frames per second) and these days you can run Doom3 (a 10yr old game) on an Android phone.

You can get some insane framerates on PC's these days (and keep in mind this computer is recording the playing too...not a camcorder)

American PCs learn the difference, show me any processor that runs better than the russian processor not made by amerians. You wont. Android is running these games at a very low resolution and is specially designed to port the game. Even the original xbox could run doom 3 due to being ported, like removing real time shadow effects etc and it run the game at 480p at @ a 733 MHz pentium 3 despite that the original pc version required at least a 1.4Ghz single core

Elbrus team on the other hand took the latest doom 3 BFG version that requires 2Ghz minimum dual core, they took the PC/Mac OpenGL version and modified it a bit to run on 4 cores and they could run it on an 720 MHz cpu at 1080p not 480p learn the difference. I think if it would be a real port made for their cpu it could easily run it in 60fps @1080p with no or minor downgrades. Its a 10 years old game but when this game came out most people couldnt play it because it was too demanding, let alone on 1080p.
You could say russia is now in 2005 levels of US CPUs.
Now giving that elbrus 8-C will be 5 times stronger it will be 2012 levels or more. although tbh, the US hasnt really brought anything special anymore since the original core i7 in 2008

reading this thread, I wonder how many people in Russia do actually know computer.

1.) You can run anything on any CPU, as long as you are using a good graphic card and RAM

You can technically run CRISIS 2 (A GAME that require the max spec) on Full HD mode on a socket 775 CPU (core 2 cpu from like 8 years ago) If you are using latest PCIe 2 Display card like Gtx 790 and co.

Graphic processing is the job of your GPU, not the job of CPU, which is to execute instruction, there are set amount of instruction in a game, while there are A LOT texture rendering happening per second, hence the speed and the quality of the CPU i s discounted here as the instruction set is limited but rendering set is next to infinity.

In short, how good the picture and speed of geaphic have little to no relation to the CPU, it have more to so with your RAM and display card.

2,) Using American hardware will not get you hack, using American internet will.

Computer Hardware is the stupidest thing in the world, they work whatever you tell them to, and they so not have any control or thinking (AI) on any thing.

Simply put, if you put a 1 on the execution queue, they will process 1, if you put a 0 in the queue, they will process 0.

Whats started to go wrong is when that process goes online on the internet.

Internet is created by the American, and what you see and currently used is only a fraction of what internet can do when they are designed by DARPA during the 60s, i cant twll you much but even if you use all Russian equipment (CPU, Motherboard, HDD and so on) and using an Russian ISP and Russian server, as long as you have a connect to any of the american server, we can hack you.

The only thing safe is for the Russian to not connect to any US server and US infrastructure and not Using US made IP protocol, that would involve a new internet system, build base on open source code, with new Server and new OS, good luck transferring all the internet file on that proposed network.




8 core at 740MHz will put them behind Samsung Galaxy S3 era A7 processor which is about 1.5 Ghz @ 4 cores. A15 (Galaxy S4 and early S5 model) are 1.9@ quad core, and later LTE Galaxy S5 using an A15 with ARMv7 instruction.runs on 2.4 or 2.5 GHz per core @ 4 core



Thats not even mid range processor for phone as rhe larest Foxconn snapdragon offered 8 core @ 2.3 Ghz.


To be fair, the first thing people looking for when building a sercer is power comsumption, being low Wattage have their own adcantage, yet intel have LTDW Server CPU that ran about 10 times as fast as that on 2.5 @ 6 cores on 60 W TDW(2630L) compare to the russian 0.75 @ 8 core on 45 W TDW


2630L is sold for 600 USD, unless the Russian CPU is sold at 60, otherwise its not worth it..

but then shhhhh... otherwise we will get accused by senhiser and co of being jealous on getting inferior processor at their server....

-socket 775 supported quadcores @2.5 ghz or or more and dual cores of 3.2 ghz. And guise what? crysis needs minimum system requirements of Intel Core 2 Duo at 2Ghz.
Crysis 2 - Maximum Edition on Steam
try ton run games like doom on an intel processor with 720 mhz or something then we can talk

8 core at 740MHz will put them behind Samsung Galaxy S3 era A7 processor which is about 1.5 Ghz @ 4 cores. A15 (Galaxy S4 and early S5 model) are 1.9@ quad core, and later LTE Galaxy S5 using an A15 with ARMv7 instruction.runs on 2.4 or 2.5 GHz per core @ 4 core



Thats not even mid range processor for phone as rhe larest Foxconn snapdragon offered 8 core @ 2.3 Ghz.

these arm processors are all made by the US, again you fail here to realize what my topic is about, snapdragon is owned by qualcomm a US cooperation. And russia is also developing its own arm processor the baikal a 2ghz 8 core processor.

2630L is sold for 600 USD, unless the Russian CPU is sold at 60, otherwise its not worth it..

which is owned by the US which spies and can sanction supply. Also these processors will be cheaper for the state as the elbrus belongs and is developed by the russian state so why should they buy foreign cpus where is no discount at all and can spy and be cut off from buying them?

Yeah, i was wondering why anyone would brag about what is a phone grade processor (and not top end at that) going into servers. And the problem of "FPS games are GPU-demanding, not CPU-demanding" weakens the claim still further. Still, RA-RAH Russia!! Hurry up and start using inferior processors.

Oh, and power consumption is ridiculous for the performance. You can't put a 45W processor in a phone, so that explains the servers, I suppose.

The 4-C isnt even planned to be used, the state is waiting for the 8-C which will be 28 nm

and it doesnt matter for russia anyways because russia produces enough energy. For countries like japan and china its important to be efficient in energy consumption but for the US and russia its not.

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Look at the US server manufactors for example, IBMs total 153 built servers are only stronger than Chinas 5 servers by the National University of Defense Technology. Hypocrite

 

[Lure]

watch this Video to understand how close Russia is at replacing US made x86 chips in servers. Russias latest processor the Elbrus C-4 can now also run games @1080p with emulation

Video link for Pakistani/Chinese friends down below
Russian 720 MHz CPU Elbrus-4C can run Doom 3 BFG @1080p/future of Russia's semiconductor Industry — смотреть онлайн видео, бесплатно!

Russia is very close at US American performance if you consider the entire history of their industry, if Elbrus 8-C comes out we will be able to finally replace all US made chips in our servers and will be able to play the latest PC next gen games as it will be 5 times stronger than the 4-C. The 4-C probably is able to do that right now if it werent for bad/no programming, keep in mid this is all emulation you see all made by MCST themselves and its 720mhz only. What you think the 8-C will be able to perform who has 250 Gflops?

Russia has bright future ahead in technology while other countries in europe will buy US made chips we will become independent. We will be more secure from NSA and we will be able to build many servers as we want as we wont need to import american products.

Can you give specific information about Instruction Set Architecture (ISA)? What ISA does that use? Is it a Russion one? Then you are going through a dark tunnel that might lead up to light or darkness. If you use Russian ISA then you'll need an OS to run on it. Since Windows won't be an option you should re-compile the existing open source Linux based OS. I'm pretty sure there is a Russian OS on Linux Engine.

Furthermore after the OS you'll need to create an IT "ecosystem" around it. Every game developer should compile their source code on the new CPU. You'll have a good luck on doing for Russian game developers. However you'll have a small chance for foreign game developers.

All in all those things are good to have. It's a diversity. But -and that's a big but I should admit- you need to be able to give much more effort to sustain a steady software environment around your new ISA. Such things are like living organisms. You need to feed them constantly with marketing and software in order to make it live. Otherwise they die.

 

[Schutz]

Doom 3 is over a decade old, I remember my pc at the time struggling to run it, think I had an amd athlon 2800 and a geforce 440mx 256mb baby. Good to see competition nonetheless and its decent for a 700mhz lol but I think ill stick with my i7 and nvidia 970 for now. I dont really care where the processor I use comes from, performance is what matters and this is about as powerful as a smartphone so they need to up their game as this is technology you expect on a desktop pc many years ago.

 

[jhungary]

-socket 775 supported quadcores @2.5 ghz or or more and dual cores of 3.2 ghz. And guise what? crysis needs minimum system requirements of Intel Core 2 Duo at 2Ghz.
Crysis 2 - Maximum Edition on Steam
try ton run games like doom on an intel processor with 720 mhz or something then we can talk

dude, while the pentium 3 750 Mhz were 16+ years old technology, they are single core, with FSB less than the bits Width modern GPU operate.

While your "733 Mhz" is a "modern" Quad core CPU with modern architechture. How can ot compare? Just because they are about the same clock rate so they are similar processor?

Dude, its laughable if you build a processor today in 2015 and cannot run game that create in 2003.

But it would make total sense if you expect a CPU made in 1996 to fail at a game make in 2004.

Dude what you comparing does not make sense.

these arm processors are all made by the US, again you fail here to realize what my topic is about, snapdragon is owned by qualcomm a US cooperation. And russia is also developing its own arm processor the baikal a 2ghz 8 core processor.

keyword is developing, while qualcomm had already put the snapdragon 810 out last year, by the time the ao call baikal is in any fruitation , qualcomm would already abandoning the octa core market, as they are developing a 10 cores CPU for mobile device right now

which is owned by the US which spies and can sanction supply. Also these processors will be cheaper for the state as the elbrus belongs and is developed by the russian state so why should they buy foreign cpus where is no discount at all and can spy and be cut off from buying them?


Dude please do tell me how CPu can spy on us? You need external sensor and reporting program to spy using SiGINT

The only Sensor CPU carry is a heat sensor, unless you object to CPU knowing your system operation temperature, that would not have a problem

You will need a program of sort to hack and apy on. the DATA of your computer, CPU runs instruction, they DO NOT STORE OR ECEXUTE program.

If you sont want to be spy on, then dont use American OS and dont use American made Internet at all. lol

The 4-C isnt even planned to be used, the state is waiting for the 8-C which will be 28 nm

and it doesnt matter for russia anyways because russia produces enough energy. For countries like japan and china its important to be efficient in energy consumption but for the US and russia its not.

Supercomputer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Look at the US server manufactors for example, IBMs total 153 built servers are only stronger than Chinas 5 servers by the National University of Defense Technology. Hypocrite

umm dude, do you know at that top 500, 70% of world supercomputer were american build?

And do you even knoe what kind of CPU os the fastest Chinese server Tianhan -2 running? They use Intel processor.

 

[jamahir]

umm dude, do you know at that top 500, 70% of world supercomputer were american build?

supercomputers are useless, and i am saying this from a careful socialist perspective.

 

[jhungary]

supercomputers are useless, and i am saying this from a careful socialist perspective.

for once i agree with you for a change

PlayStations power Air Force supercomputer - CNET

 

[nvKyleBrown]

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for once i agree with you for a change

PlayStations power Air Force supercomputer - CNET

Yeah, with distributed computing, its a bit pointless to cram so many processor in one case. Very few tasks are helped this way. Just farm it out to a cloud. Way, way cheaper.

Its like going to the moon, useful for bragging purposes, but not practical.

 

[senheiser]

Can you give specific information about Instruction Set Architecture (ISA)? What ISA does that use? Is it a Russion one? Then you are going through a dark tunnel that might lead up to light or darkness. If you use Russian ISA then you'll need an OS to run on it. Since Windows won't be an option you should re-compile the existing open source Linux based OS. I'm pretty sure there is a Russian OS on Linux Engine.

Furthermore after the OS you'll need to create an IT "ecosystem" around it. Every game developer should compile their source code on the new CPU. You'll have a good luck on doing for Russian game developers. However you'll have a small chance for foreign game developers.

All in all those things are good to have. It's a diversity. But -and that's a big but I should admit- you need to be able to give much more effort to sustain a steady software environment around your new ISA. Such things are like living organisms. You need to feed them constantly with marketing and software in order to make it live. Otherwise they die.

this thing is planned for servers in the firstn place and state computers. It will grow and get more support obviously because most money spend on computers in russia is by the goverment. It uses an own linux type elbrus OS but it can run also windows because its some kind of x86 compatibility

dude, while the pentium 3 750 Mhz were 16+ years old technology, they are single core, with FSB less than the bits Width modern GPU operate.

While your "733 Mhz" is a "modern" Quad core CPU with modern architechture. How can ot compare? Just because they are about the same clock rate so they are similar processor?

Dude, its laughable if you build a processor today in 2015 and cannot run game that create in 2003.


Dude what you comparing does not make sense.
dud dude dude can you say anything else? It is comparable doom3 bfg edition needs dualcore 2 ghz minimum its a fact. The processor was built in 2014 and is just testing ground, the 8 core processor will be more.
So if russia is laughable so is germany, japan, sweden, australia, poland and almost the rest of the world who doesnt have anything equilant at all. Go out and say your allies are also a laughingstock? You wont do it because you americans are bunch of hypocrites and double headed snakes bashing russia for doing their own thing while praising the other countries as mordern because they buy your shit.

dude, while the pentium 3 750 Mhz were 16+ years old technology, they are single core, with FSB less than the bits Width modern GPU operate.

While your "733 Mhz" is a "modern" Quad core CPU with modern architechture. How can ot compare? Just because they are about the same clock rate so they are similar processor?
But it would make total sense if you expect a CPU made in 1996 to fail at a game make in 2004.
go try out an intel atom processor with same clockrate, it will fail equally like an intel 3


keyword is developing, while qualcomm had already put the snapdragon 810 out last year, by the time the ao call baikal is in any fruitation , qualcomm would already abandoning the octa core market, as they are developing a 10 cores CPU for mobile device right now


Dude please do tell me how CPu can spy on us? You need external sensor and reporting program to spy using SiGINT

The only Sensor CPU carry is a heat sensor, unless you object to CPU knowing your system operation temperature, that would not have a problem

You will need a program of sort to hack and apy on. the DATA of your computer, CPU runs instruction, they DO NOT STORE OR ECEXUTE program.
americans make all hardware like cpus so of course its the least easier to hack for them, and there are technology allowing you to spy or deny access. Dont trust the US in any way

If you sont want to be spy on, then dont use American OS and dont use American made Internet at all. lol
and what it has to do with cpus?



umm dude, do you know at that top 500, 70% of world supercomputer were american build?


And do you even knoe what kind of CPU os the fastest Chinese server Tianhan -2 running? They use Intel processor.
good point thats why we need our own cpu

see @ quote

 

[jhungary]

this thing is planned for servers in the firstn place and state computers. It will grow and get more support obviously because most money spend on computers in russia is by the goverment. It uses an own linux type elbrus OS but it can run also windows because its some kind of x86 compatibility

see @ quote

ok if you dont want me to say dude, then how about this, you ignorant twat.

1.) As your compatriot saying Clock speed is NOT everything. Look back at when Doom 3 is out, their recommended requirement at that time in 2004.

Back then core 2 CPU runs on stated clock speed and 1066 Mhz bandwidth, if you care to look back at your Russian CPU spec, you see the bandwidth is at 3 Gbits (almost 3 times as much)

The unhealthy obsession with core and clock speed tell us exactly how much you know about computer and computing....Which is 0

I say again, its nothing of a bit surprise for a 2014 processor to be able to run a game perfectly in 2004, but its not reasonable to ask a 1996 CPU to even run a game make 6 years later. Even with 8C it wont be even 1/5 as good as an intel CPU. Dont forget 8 core 1.3 Ghz at 3 Gbit vs 8 core 2.6 Ghz qnd 6 Gbits with intel.

2.) You do know every country have their microchip business right? They did not advertise does not mean IC business do not exist in Australia, Japan, Poland and germany et al.

None of them go over and priase a product that they make that is inferior than the mainstream, thats why you never even heard about Australian , Germany, Japan CPU.

This is call humhle, a trait oblivously does not share with our Russian friend

3.) You do know Intel Atom ia a netbook, MIC tablet processor? Not a full desktop processor, right?

again, you cannot compare the both lol. Ita bot like you can just pick one at random and try to see whats better. Desktop processor ALWAYS trump Notebook processor at the same line core i to core i celeron to celeron

4.) Hacking with using hardware alone is not hard, but impossible, thats goes againt the design prospect of hardware.

Computer hardware execute instruction, Software control instruction, no matter where about you study computing, be that uS, Russia, China, this basic and fundemental principle DOES NOT EVER CHANGE

Why i am saying this? That show how little you know about computing lol.

5.) You can decelope your own line of Russian CPU all you want, but when your top of the Pauline Nguyendoes not even handle like a mobile device processor, i would not go online and brag about it if i were you.

lol you want to go backward is your problem, i dont mind nor care what kind of CPU you use with your computer, infact all Russian Government should adopt 8C Cpu and dont ever use intel again, that would give the west the edge. Over any Russian Computer system. I for one support that move.

 

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720 mhz? Is that some joke? Thats less than the old Xbox had lol

 

[haman10]

720 mhz? Is that some joke? Thats less than the old Xbox had lol

why do you always have to be ignorant and dumb ?

@senheiser congrats .