Russia Warning : Putin could intervene if US Aand Iran go to war ...

[XTQ1999]

If iranian gas and oil come under u.s control they will become alternative source of supply to russian oil and gas towards europe which will lead to loss of revenue earned by russia

you do know Iran was already selling oil to Europe before sanctions right?

 

[Lincoln]

You contradicted yourself and indirectly agreed with him.


False. You're missing the contexts, which are different- back then UNSC was worried about Iran's nuclear program so Russia was using a "balanced" approach to how it handled US on one side and Iran on the other .Today, things are different- Iran's nuclear program is not a threat, but US is seen by Russia as causing unnecessary and reckless danger in the world, esp ME. Russia and Iran are allied in the Syrian war, so that also tells you something about Russia and Iran's relationship, Its not great, but its pretty good when it focuses on countering US/NATO.

I did not. US backing does not equate to direct intervention.

 

[PeaceGen]

RUSSIA WARNING: Putin could INTERVENE if US and Iran go to war
INCREASED tensions between Iran and the US could force Russia to intervene if full scale military conflict arises.
By LUKE HAWKER
22:42, Tue, May 28, 2019 | UPDATED: 22:42, Tue, May 28, 2019

The relationship between Washington and Tehran continues to be strained amid plans to deploy 1,500 US troops to the Middle East. US national security adviser John Bolton warned the US had “deep and serious” intelligence on threats posed by Iran. The prospect of warfare in the troubled region has prompted fears Moscow will be dragged into battle if its Iranian allies come under threat.


The Moscow Times reports the fall of the Islamic Republic could “undermine” Russia’s ability to be neutral in the middle east and move towards protecting its interests “including militarily assisting Iran”.

It said: “Russia may provide Iran with operational intelligence prior to or during the break-out of the war with the US.”


The Moscow Times added: “Russia may reserve the option to improve Iran’s defensive capabilities via the supply of more advanced units, should such a necessity arise. “

Russia could be forced to intervene in the dispute between the US and Iran (Image: GETTY)
However it is “highly improbable” that Moscow be directly involved in any potential conflict but “may take certain cautious steps in order to strengthen Iran’s deterrence capacities”.

The relationship between the US and Iran has been strained for over a year, following US President Donald Trump’s decision to pull out of the landmark 2015 Iran nuclear deal.

The treaty aimed to curb Tehran’s nuclear ambitions in return for relief from sanctions.

The US has since imposed new sanctions on Iran aimed at impacting its economy by cutting off oil exports, which has forced Iran to suspend its commitments to the agreement.

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However the US President appeared to soften his tone toward Iran, saying he believed it wanted to make a deal.

Mr Trump said: “We aren’t looking for regime change - I just want to make that clear. We are looking for no nuclear weapons.’’

But Iran’s foreign ministry spokesman played down the prospect of reaching a deal with the US.

He said: ”We currently see no prospect of negotiations with America.“
Meanwhile Iranian Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri said the country was not allowed to pursue the development of nuclear weapon as this was banned by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Tensions rose between Iran and the US after an attack earlier this month on oil tankers in the Gulf.

Washington, a close ally of Iran’s regional rival Saudi Arabia, blamed the attacks on Tehran, which denied the accusations.

SOURCE : https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...-war-nuclear-deal-Donald-Trump-vladimir-putin

Well, that's the Russians for you, as well as the semi-hidden Chinese attitude towards Muslims; excellent cannon fodder for use against the Americans and what they are trying to achieve in the world, through a 'strenghtening' which can only achieve a delayed victory for the Americans in this case of Iran. and a delayed victory means more people dying over a longer period of time.

i must admit the Russians did a good job over in Syria, even though it was supportive of a dictator, but what is Russia saying about Iran's militant foreign policies? Another good drain on America's strength and resources? Or perhaps a strengthening of those capabilities? If you're going to give proper reason for a heightened military budget to be used, then also be prepared to have to meet those costs if you're going to want to retain your own status as militarily strong nation, because this deception and using other peoples as cannon fodder while trying to keep your own motives for doing that hidden, is not going to fly. not in the days of the internet and social media.

and it won't be because of my little post here about it that it does,
be sure of that.

people are just going to reach the same conclusions based on your more widely seen public statements, Russians and Chinese.

just because you don't like news about for instance the Ughurs in China and *how* they're kept in "vocational training camps" in international media does not mean such news does not end up shaping global opinion and thereby the direction of terror groups in a span of 5 to maybe 15 years time.

you can hope the Muslims will hate the Americans more than you, Russians and/or Chinese (their numbers and intensity as groups will fluctuate over and during the decades to come) but the Muslims, when it comes down to it, are not actually dumb fighters. And they have a long memory just like the rest of the peoples of Earth. They're also quick learners. Fortunately, so are the westerners and the Jews over in Israel, i can confirm that much from personal experience.

 

[royalharris]

USA is just paper tiger，dare not touch iran

 

[PeaceGen]

USA is just paper tiger，dare not touch iran

thank you for admitting that, Chinese sir

now i wonder; are you guys just proud Chinese civilians, or government-run social media forces?

we'll never know the answer to that, because we can't trust your answer

just in case you're wondering : i'm an actual civilian over here.
i have no real means to prove that, but it's true.

 

[royalharris]

Invasion Iran means another Vietnam War，it is a war overrun USA capability，it is a war USA can not win

They know it

 

[Humble Analyst]

Whoever depends on others ends up being a loser. Other countries bargain and get their personal interests achieved and off they go.

 

[PeaceGen]

Invasion Iran means another Vietnam War，it is a war overrun USA capability，it is a war USA can not win

They know it

That's why they're using attrition (slow degradation of a country/group's strength mostly by economic means), and they're already making China look bad by China's continued buying of Iranian oil.

you see, the world is behind the need to deal with Iran given how many serious problems (violent attacks) their foreign militancy policies have caused over the past few decades, and how the Iranians have publicly admitted time and time again that they don't want to stop their militant activities outside their own borders.

and that's what's gonna make this thing possible. patience, honesty, a good pair of balls, and time to prepare for the tasks that might lie ahead.

i think western militaries, and the Israeli military too for that matter, have taken my tips to heart when it comes to what i said to them about avoiding asymettrical means to get the jobs done, but use the minimal force principle and your own Sun Tzu's top-of-the-line wisdom over here : 'winning without actual physical fights is the best form of winning', to get the jobs done, as much as possible.

blitzkrieg (quick victories by means of military force) is off the menu, as is asymettrical force (meaning : an abundance of overpowering by weapon horibbleness factors).
the Israelis these days warn their enemies and the neighbors of their enemies how and why and when they're going to strike the home of a Hamas fighter after the "usual" round of provocations lead to a short term confrontation.

that's good. it gives time for Hamas to grow up as a political organisation, and go the way of Sinn Fein over in Northern Ireland, ultimately *sustaining a long-term peace* with their former arch rivals and deadly foes (the British in their case, the Israelis in the case of Hamas).

Fatah and the Israeli Arabs have already reached that stage of development, now i'm hoping Hamas can continue to grow towards such evolution of thought and social patterns as well.

getting used as cannon fodder by anyone hoping to use your people's blood to fight a so called holy fight against the Israelis, is just plain dumb. there is very little honor in dealing violently with modern day Israelis.

sorry to digress, but i thought a short example of how cultures abuse eachother's pain and suffering to fight wars against 3rd parties,
was in order,
given how much suffering has already been caused extra by such factors.

 

[royalharris]

The Western ex-colony countries keep too much worship to the West even today

Don't overestimate USA power

 

[PeaceGen]

Fortune cookies? Really?

 

[masterchief_mirza]

That's why they're using attrition (slow degradation of a country/group's strength mostly by economic means), and they're already making China look bad by China's continued buying of Iranian oil.

you see, the world is behind the need to deal with Iran given how many serious problems (violent attacks) their foreign militancy policies have caused over the past few decades, and how the Iranians have publicly admitted time and time again that they don't want to stop their militant activities outside their own borders.

and that's what's gonna make this thing possible. patience, honesty, a good pair of balls, and time to prepare for the tasks that might lie ahead.

i think western militaries, and the Israeli military too for that matter, have taken my tips to heart when it comes to what i said to them about avoiding asymettrical means to get the jobs done, but use the minimal force principle and your own Sun Tzu's top-of-the-line wisdom over here : 'winning without actual physical fights is the best form of winning', to get the jobs done, as much as possible.

blitzkrieg (quick victories by means of military force) is off the menu, as is asymettrical force (meaning : an abundance of overpowering by weapon horibbleness factors).
the Israelis these days warn their enemies and the neighbors of their enemies how and why and when they're going to strike the home of a Hamas fighter after the "usual" round of provocations lead to a short term confrontation.

that's good. it gives time for Hamas to grow up as a political organisation, and go the way of Sinn Fein over in Northern Ireland, ultimately *sustaining a long-term peace* with their former arch rivals and deadly foes (the British in their case, the Israelis in the case of Hamas).

Fatah and the Israeli Arabs have already reached that stage of development, now i'm hoping Hamas can continue to grow towards such evolution of thought and social patterns as well.

getting used as cannon fodder by anyone hoping to use your people's blood to fight a so called holy fight against the Israelis, is just plain dumb. there is very little honor in dealing violently with modern day Israelis.

sorry to digress, but i thought a short example of how cultures abuse eachother's pain and suffering to fight wars against 3rd parties,
was in order,
given how much suffering has already been caused extra by such factors.

Fascinating assessment. In particular, your point about propping up of regimes by superpower patrons delaying a quick victory and causing unnecessary suffering in lieu of that quick victory which would cause only minimal casualties. The problem is your argument works BOTH ways. Had the free Syrian army and its revolution NOT been supported by Western powers, Assad would have routed them quickly and retained absolute power and we would have avoided this whole mess in Syria which has led to phenomenal suffering that we don't even fully know about.

 

[PeaceGen]

Fascinating assessment. In particular, your point about propping up of regimes by superpower patrons delaying a quick victory and causing unnecessary suffering in lieu of that quick victory which would cause only minimal casualties. The problem is your argument works BOTH ways. Had the free Syrian army and its revolution NOT been supported by Western powers, Assad would have routed them quickly and retained absolute power and we would have avoided this whole mess in Syria which has led to phenomenal suffering that we don't even fully know about.

Well Assad would still have had to destroy their neighborhoods to crush their demonstrations, so i don't see how that factor matters, to be honest.
Muslims will go their own way, regardless of outside advice most of the time, and that's not always in their own best interest, or that of their local peers.
The Syrian demonstrators, even when advised by western sources to go along with Assad's demands, are likely to act just like the Iranians are acting at the moment : stubborn and determined.
So yeah, Assad would have had to crush them with much violence anyways.

And in that case everyone was better off with the Russian help offered to Assad to at least etch out a quick victory where one is needed.

But in the case of Iran, the Russians' case is less strong i think.
Anyone with arguments towards changing my mind about that, is of course welcome to share those here.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Russia is no USSR and cannot stop US in Iran. In fact, providing logistics support to Iran will be expensive because Russia does not have direct access to Iran. Putin's words carry much more weight in comparison to a speculatory item.

Russia has extremely friendly relations with Turkmenistan, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan etc and can easily get access to Iran. Russia is telling that it will not fight but will give logistics and that is perfectly feasible and easy. Providing dozens of S300-S400 to Iran will significantly alter the scenario, for example

those troops were needed to protect Baku. If Operation Blau had continued those troops would have been fighting Army Group South

Today Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Armenia separate you from Iran

I thin you should be knowing that Turkmenistan and Armenia have military alliance with Russia. So, access to Iran is easy

you do know Iran was already selling oil to Europe before sanctions right?

Iran is not selling gas to anyone yet. Also, if Iranian oil comes under USA control, then things will be much different to Iran selling to Europe with self interest

 

[nahtanbob]

I thin you should be knowing that Turkmenistan and Armenia have military alliance with Russia. So, access to Iran is easy

We are talking about WW 2 when they were part of the same country. If the Germans conquer Stalingrad and cross the Volga they are entering the vast Steppes

 

[Arsalan 345]

Iran begging for help.where is Irani arrogance? I personally believe that Russia will never interfere.