Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[T-SaGe]

I am no fan of the Ukrainians but Russians there are migrant beggars. Have those Russian mongols return to the steppes. They can set up their yurt and wander around with some cows and goats.

The historical roots of modern Russia identity are essentially north of the Black Sea, not the Siberian steppes or any other. Why they got stronger first at further north instead of Black Sea is the subject of another thread entirely[1]. However, this anecdote could be handfull of understanding historical motivations beyond all other geopolitical reasons.

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From the 7th century until the 18th century, the region was under the pressure of Turkic or Turko-Mongolian khanates(Khazar Khaganate, Pechenegs, Cuman–Kipchak Confederation, Golden Horde etc.). The Northern Black Sea was also the main route of the first major Turkic migrations. Nations were pushed towards Europe.

When the Timurids destroyed the Golden Horde in the early 15th century, the political vacuum in the region caused the Turks to rapidly lose their power in the region. However, until it was occupied by Russia in 1783, north of black sea and Azov region was under the control of the Crimean Tatar khanate.

The dominant structure of the Muslim/Turkish populations in the region was intervened later. The region was Russianized with the Circassian genocide(north-east of Blacksea) on of the tsarist Russian in the mid-19th century and the exile of the Crimean Tatars(north-west of blacksea) in the Soviet period. Today, approximately 15% of Today's Turkish people of TR have Circassian and Crimea roots.

 

[KurtisBrian]

The historical roots of modern Russia identity are essentially north of the Black Sea, not the Siberian steppes or any other.

Sure, makes sense, North and East of the Black Sea has a bit of steppe. Vostok's comment that the Ukraine has some steppe is true too. Some "Russians" indeed might have wandered there in the past.
ydna tells us who the majority of "Russian" men are. 46%+/- are supposedly ydna haplogroup R1a. That is a BIG ancestral group of men. Same as most of the men in Eastern Europe, the Stan countries, Pakistan and India which would suggest a most eastly origin point for the majority of "Russians" but who knows. Of course ydna is only slightly useful. Even brothers do not get along or hold the same beliefs, let alone ancient distant cousins. Plus sometimes people change.

 

[Muhammed45]

 

[KurtisBrian]

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I guess only Russian men can live in a place with Russian men. Have the largest nation on Earth still not enough. Russians just keep taking and will never stop so long as they exist.

 

[T-SaGe]

FORTE10 (RQ-4) headed to the Black Sea region.

NATO aircraft bypassing Turkish Airspace is very telling of its relationship with Turkey.
S- https://twitter.com/IntelCrab, https://twitter.com/TurkishFacts4U

 

[T-SaGe]

At an online press conference, Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said that Russia started to build up more than 120.000 troops on the Ukrainian borders.

 

[vizier]

Since after this built up and saying of Ukraine officials that military option is off the table a deescalation plan would be best to diffuse the situation there which appears to be at a deadlock waiting to be ignited anytime the other side makes some significant move.

Ofcourse after all these incidents the locals think that if they give up arms they will be arrested or executed immediately. There should be a set of measures and milestones to start a deescalation spiral to integrate the areas back to Ukraine. But it wont be easy and it will take a long time. Trustability is also a major issue one item that can compensate for the lack of it is to increase the span of integration measures to 8-10 years maybe that would include several future govts not just the current govt. Immediate measures can be Ukraine removing the extra troop buildup around Donbass. Further measures can be economic integration measures of these areas and investment plans to integrate the areas economically. Some groups such as Azov batallion is portrayed as having ultranationalist and supremacist motives. This should be investigated and if it is true it needs to be gradually reduced and disbanded. Also during 2014 conflict there are accusations of mercenaries making mass killings of locals this should be investigated and if responsibles found punished as well.Ukraine troops will gradually pull out and Donbass would gradually disarm and population can be integrated completely with milestones during this 10 year deescalation plan.

If things start again Russia would again support the resistance groups and everything would start over so turning back would not be easy. I doubt the current Ukr govt would start such deescalation spiral but this seems to be the only way to prevent a conflict with Russia and gain the lands back with its people.

 

[T-SaGe]

Russia Withdraws From Ukraine Border
by Yaren Yıldırım April 23, 2021

The Russian Defence Ministry says troops deployed near the Ukrainian border have begun to return to their permanent bases.
The Kremlin, which has deployed tens of thousands of troops near the Ukrainian border, causing weeks of tensions with the West, began withdrawing troops after the end of drills in the region.

“We must remember that this step will not end the current escalation or the conflict between Ukraine and Russia in general,” Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said.
Kuleba asked NATO for help last week in response to growing Russian pressure in the region.

REUTERS

Russia Withdraws From Ukraine Border - C4 Defence

Rusya Savunma Bakanlığı, Ukrayna sınırı yakınında konuşlandırılan askeri birliklerin kalıcı üslerine geri dönmeye başladığını açıkladı.

www.c4defence.com

 

[925boy]

EU ---- > Russia it is not even close........

Better Economy, more Manpower, more modern weaponry and better defense systems

Thats a general comparison, not a contextualized one.

IN BLACK SEA AND UKRAINE-RUSSIA BORDER REGION -RUSSIA WINS. Whiney toothless NATO wont and doesnt have the time to deploy enough relevant troops and equipment by the time Russia is done stealing eastern Ukraine from Ukraine. thats just the facts...But Ukraine isnt even in NATO, so NATO is again a toothless lion roaring for the wrong reason - a non-NATO country. smh.

 

[Mohamed Bin Tughlaq]

Thats a general comparison, not a contextualized one.

IN BLACK SEA AND UKRAINE-RUSSIA BORDER REGION -RUSSIA WINS. Whiney toothless NATO wont and doesnt have the time to deploy enough relevant troops and equipment by the time Russia is done stealing eastern Ukraine from Ukraine. thats just the facts...But Ukraine isnt even in NATO, so NATO is again a toothless lion roaring for the wrong reason - a non-NATO country. smh.

Russia has already pulled back broski? These so-called NATO nations are nearby Ukraine. You have Poland, and all the others are litered all around Ukraine just kilometers away from Ukraine. Russia knew this that things could escalate beyond Ukraine. Russia wants everything east of the dnipro river Ukraine will never agree to this. A conflict was certain. The Ukrainian president said we don't want war but we are ready for one. NATO played a big role in Russia's decision to withdraw. Russia views Ukraine itself as insignificiant as they have already annexed Crimea and occupy Donbass but NATO is the main deterence

 

[925boy]

Russia has already pulled back broski? These so-called NATO nations are nearby Ukraine. You have Poland, and all the others are litered all around Ukraine just kilometers away from Ukraine. Russia knew this that things could escalate beyond Ukraine. Russia wants everything east of the dnipro river Ukraine will never agree to this. A conflict was certain. The Ukrainian president said we don't want war but we are ready for one. NATO played a big role in Russia's decision to withdraw. Russia views Ukraine itself as insignificiant as they have already annexed Crimea and occupy Donbass but NATO is the main deterence

I see what you mean, but i still believe Russia has teh current edge in the current situation - NATO still caught with their pants down for being wiling to die for non-NATO countries(Ukraine)..so in NATO cant act legall,y because there is no basis for it, but Russia can beat up Ukraine cuz its the big dog on the street and WHITEYs FROM EU and US just isnt ready to die for anybody but themselves. cheers.

 

[Stryker1982]

What was the purpose of this mass deployment if they are just returning back to their bases while the Ukrainians are still fully mobilized

 

[vostok]

What was the purpose of this mass deployment if they are just returning back to their bases while the Ukrainians are still fully mobilized

It was military games one of a few big games during the year. Glad to see how Russian military games make the West and their slaves to s.it into the pants.

 

[T-SaGe]

I don't know what Ukraine expected from Turkey, but Turkey's not taking any position against Russia was not welcomed by some Ukrainian political circles. The interior minister even issued a message congratulating the US president and calling its country for same decision regarding the Armenian allegations. This wobble of Ukrainian policy makers will undoubtedly only damage relations.

 

[Jobless Jack]

What was the purpose of this mass deployment if they are just returning back to their bases while the Ukrainians are still fully mobilized

A military games as per the normal schedule of Russia.

Choosing to do the drills very close to the Ukraine border deliberately ---- To test the new US administration . to see how they will react and to distract and pile pressure on the said administration.