Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments

[MeFishToo]

10 million? Unrealistic. At best Putin can recruit one million if taking in the fresh conscripts. Two million If he calls general mobilization.

Tai Hai belives Russia can mobilize every single russian 20-30 year old male, equip and supply them outside Russia - and still be be number one everything back home.

 

[jhungary]

US Army to Test Interactive Drone Swarm Over Utah – UAS VISION

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@jhungary

Rafael unveils new Spike NLOS missile version with in-flight control transfer - Breaking Defense

The new version of the Spike NLOS has a target production date of 2023, Rafael officials said.

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Rafael unveils new Spike NLOS missile version with in-flight control transfer​

The new version of the Spike NLOS has a target production date of 2023, Rafael officials said.​

TEL AVIV: Israeli firm Rafael has unveiled a new version of its Spike missile, and has teamed with Lockheed Martin to market the system in the US.

The two firms plan to demonstrate the weapon for US forces in early 2023, Rafael officials claimed June 9, while pledging that production would also begin early in the next calendar year.

Branded as the Spike Non-Line-Of-Sight missile system (NLOS) 6th generation, Rafael officials told reporters at an in-person briefing that the new system comes with a number of new features, starting with the fact it can be launched in salvor of up to four missiles at once, with flexible control of the weapons.


“Each of the missiles can be directed in the final phase of its trajectory to hit different targets in the area,” Zvi Marmor, head of the precision tactical weapon systems division in Rafael, said. “This capability crates an immediate effect.”



"Rafael claims the weapon now ranges up to 50 km when launched from a helicopter and up to 32 km from land and naval platforms. When asked if the new version can be carried by fixed-wing aircraft or UAV, the Rafael official said that a strategic UAV like the Heron–TP made by Israel aerospace industries can carry the missile."

That will be a game changer, because you cannot really predict where the fire has come from, and you can basically reach anywhere as long as your drone get there. And it cost you nothing (Well, the cost of the drone of course) to do such a thing.

This is going to be more revolutionise than loitering munition. IMO.

Hope it got adopted.

It seems that with MLRS it is more a question of the number of rockets , than the number of units.

As for artillery , where it is more of a number games. The only system that can be transferred to Ukraine in large enough numbers , are the m109 howitzers .

Take the Caesar artillery for example , great system . but France has less than 100 of those. You cant expect a country to give up all it's artillery arsenal.

US has almost 1000 m109 and can easily transfer 100 of them. Ukraine already has between 40-60 m109 . Another 100 would mean that Ukraine would finely have one main artillery system.

I understand from what you wrote , that it takes a while to learn an operate the m109 , but after looking at all the available artillery systems out there , i just don't see another way to go.

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Well, you can't have it both ways, but depends on how well train the Ukrainian crew is, a M142 can fire 6-7 salvo in one hour (average reload time is 7-9 minutes) if you have enough ready to use pod. that's 30-40 rocket down range in just an hour, and you probably won't do that as you would most likely shoot and scoop. But if you applies that to 3 to 4 launching unit firing at the same time, you can fire 2 salvo each before reposition at max range and that's 50 rockets heading into your target, that's a lot of bang.

As for Artillery, Ukraine would need A LOT of SPG and towed system, you still need M777 or any towed howitzer to work as defensive counter Battery fire where your SPG and MLRS work as offensive artillery. So yes, I can foresee a lot of M109 and M198 will be transferred to Ukraine. There are rumor on the Hills (Capitol Hills) that US is going to transfer some 40 M109A5/A6 to Ukraine with the next batch, That would bump the stock to somewhere around 100 unit, but that is probably just going to be stop gap, the next phase for Western/NATO support should look at how they can support Ukraine in the long run, which mean instead of piping down existing system, they need to either completely integrate Ukraine into NATO standard (like teach their air force how to fly F-16 or other western Aircraft, or how to use western equipment) or help the Ukrainian make their own weapon by donating the production line. You cannot keep fighting 6 months down the road with a mix bag of weapon, the smaller stuff (NLAW, Javelin) is already hitting maintenance issue, and we expect that is going to be the same with all the western donated artillery and SPG some 2 or 3 months down the road when they eventually needed service or breakdown.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Tai Hei belives Russia can mobilize every single russian 20-30 year old male, equip and supply them outside Russia - and still be be number one everything back home.

There are volunteers. Plenty of volunteers. Millions of Russians volunteers in Donbas.

That will be a game changer, because you cannot really predict where the fire has come from, and you can basically reach anywhere as long as your drone get there. And it cost you nothing (Well, the cost of the drone of course) to do such a thing.

This is going to be more revolutionise than loitering munition. IMO.

Hope it got adopted.

Well, you can't have it both ways, but depends on how well train the Ukrainian crew is, a M142 can fire 6-7 salvo in one hour (average reload time is 7-9 minutes) if you have enough ready to use pod. that's 30-40 rocket down range in just an hour, and you probably won't do that as you would most likely shoot and scoop. But if you applies that to 3 to 4 launching unit firing at the same time, you can fire 2 salvo each before reposition at max range and that's 50 rockets heading into your target, that's a lot of bang.

As for Artillery, Ukraine would need A LOT of SPG and towed system, you still need M777 or any towed howitzer to work as defensive counter Battery fire where your SPG and MLRS work as offensive artillery. So yes, I can foresee a lot of M109 and M198 will be transferred to Ukraine. There are rumor on the Hills (Capitol Hills) that US is going to transfer some 40 M109A5/A6 to Ukraine with the next batch, That would bump the stock to somewhere around 100 unit, but that is probably just going to be stop gap, the next phase for Western/NATO support should look at how they can support Ukraine in the long run, which mean instead of piping down existing system, they need to either completely integrate Ukraine into NATO standard (like teach their air force how to fly F-16 or other western Aircraft, or how to use western equipment) or help the Ukrainian make their own weapon by donating the production line. You cannot keep fighting 6 months down the road with a mix bag of weapon, the smaller stuff (NLAW, Javelin) is already hitting maintenance issue, and we expect that is going to be the same with all the western donated artillery and SPG some 2 or 3 months down the road when they eventually needed service or breakdown.

I think Americans have reservations about sending too many artillery to Ukraine all at once. If the US sends 500 M109 to Ukraine all at once, they get bunched up on the flat green field. Easy to pick off by attack choppers. A few M109 at a time means harder to find and so they send M109 in piecemeal until there is no more M109 left in America.

 

[MeFishToo]

There are volunteers. Plenty of volunteers. Millions of Russians volunteers in Donbas.

I believe you mean the forced mobilized ukrainians living in Donbas. I know Russia is willing to fight to the last of them, but the number is not millions.

 

[jhungary]

Yeah what i do not understand is why ukraine is funneling so many territorial defence forces into donbass while seemingly keeping a lot of their better trained/experienced troops in reserve.

Or taking a “no step back” approach around severodonetsk.
Unless they really are having a larger counter-offensive planned in august.

I have been saying that since the beginning of June.
Their Crack Troop were R&Ring in the rear around Kharkiv. We don't see much of the 93, 95 and 1st Tank Brigade in Donbas when we all see is some quasi regular unit (like the 53rd and 54th) that were formed after 2014 or straight up TDF brigade being fed into grinder......

And defending Sieverodonetsk does not really make sense at all.............I mean, all those men that were lost fighting the Russian in Sieverodonetsk should not have lost and should be used to defend Lysychansk south of the river or maybe reinforcing the Bekhmut direction.....

 

[Apollon]

Germany plans to nationalize nordstream 2 Pipeline, break the russian part off and use the german part as connection to norwegian gas flields and for lng terminals

Germany looking at repurposing unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline for LNG use, report says

The German government is considering converting parts of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline into a connection for a liquefied natural gas terminal on the Baltic Sea coast.

www.reuters.com

@jhungary @Foinikas @jamahir


Putins pet project is used against him.

 

[jhungary]

. How many innocent people do you think will die if this spills out into a full on war with Russia? Suppose we threaten them and they don't back down? Then that's our planes against theirs, and their anti aircraft on the ground and on ships start shooting our planes down. So we have to bomb that and their radar detection and airfields inside Russia. Then they start bombing nearby nato counties in retaliation. And that's potentially just the beginning who knows what happens then. It's easy watching and doing nothing but sometimes doing something makes things a hell of a lot worse

but then where do you draw the line??

What if Russia demand Lithuania, Estonia and Lativa to leave NATO or they will attack? Would you do something then?

There are active and pro-active defence, you cannot just backdown every time Russia said "Hey I will do this or do that" If you are not going to follow through the collective defence, then why have a security pact in the first place?

Sure, you don't go impose a No Fly Zone because of some minor thing, but you also cannot backdown on every minor thing.....

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I have been saying that since the beginning of June.
Their Crack Troop were R&Ring in the rear around Kharkiv. We don't see much of the 93, 95 and 1st Tank Brigade in Donbas when we all see is some quasi regular unit (like the 53rd and 54th) that were formed after 2014 or straight up TDF brigade being fed into grinder......

And defending Sieverodonetsk does not really make sense at all.............I mean, all those men that were lost fighting the Russian in Sieverodonetsk should not have lost and should be used to defend Lysychansk south of the river or maybe reinforcing the Bekhmut direction.....

Ukrainians and Russians are some of the most stubborn people. They will defend a city to the last man, woman, child.

 

[jhungary]

Germany plans to nationalize nordstream 2 Pipeline, break the russian part off and use the german part as connection to norwegian gas flields and for lng terminals

Germany looking at repurposing unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline for LNG use, report says

The German government is considering converting parts of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline into a connection for a liquefied natural gas terminal on the Baltic Sea coast.

www.reuters.com

@jhungary @Foinikas @jamahir


Putins pet project is used against him.

It's only natural.....I mean Nord Stream 2 is just sitting there did nothing, and that is an existing network on Germany, it's only logical to repurpose that pipeline and use them to get north sea gas.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

but then where do you draw the line??

What if Russia demand Lithuania, Estonia and Lativa to leave NATO or they will attack? Would you do something then?

There are active and pro-active defence, you cannot just backdown every time Russia said "Hey I will do this or do that" If you are not going to follow through the collective defence, then why have a security pact in the first place?

Sure, you don't go impose a No Fly Zone because of some minor thing, but you also cannot backdown on every minor thing.....

Not backing down is the reason WW1 and WW2 happened. Eventually things will escalate to the point of nuclear WW3 because neither side is willing to back down and make concession.

Eventually America will run out of artillery to give and then what? There will have to be a nuclear war.

Einstein once said the following and this will happen.

“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

 

[jhungary]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540256406519136257

Apparently, the first documented footage of HIMARS in Ukraine. Near Kherson

That's M142 alright, but where is it filmed. Some geolocation would be nice, but then all you can see is they are firing behind a reverse slope, which is where you are taught to put the unit in........

could be anywhere...

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

If you think WW3 won't happen in our life time you are a fool.

Not backing down is the reason WW1 and WW2 happened. Eventually things will escalate to the point of nuclear WW3 because neither side is willing to back down and make concession.

Eventually America will run out of artillery to give and then what? There will have to be a nuclear war.

Einstein once said the following and this will happen.
“I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”

 

[jamahir]

I believe you mean the forced mobilized ukrainians living in Donbas. I know Russia is willing to fight to the last of them, but the number is not millions.

What do you mean forced mobilized ? Didn't Zelensky try to assassinate a Donbas area mayor some weeks ago ? He is severely injured I believe. He wasn't being forced to work with Russia but those people are happily aligned with Russia.

Germany plans to nationalize nordstream 2 Pipeline, break the russian part off and use the german part as connection to norwegian gas flields and for lng terminals

Germany looking at repurposing unused Nord Stream 2 pipeline for LNG use, report says

The German government is considering converting parts of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline into a connection for a liquefied natural gas terminal on the Baltic Sea coast.

www.reuters.com

@jhungary @Foinikas @jamahir


Putins pet project is used against him.

I am sure Russia will survive. As it is, the concept of oil and gas fuel for everything will soon become obsolete. I made this post about neutrino battery around two hours ago.

 

[F-22Raptor]

That's M142 alright, but where is it filmed. Some geolocation would be nice, but then all you can see is they are firing behind a reverse slope, which is where you are taught to put the unit in........

could be anywhere...

Must be an important target to fire 12 rockets. Speculation is Snake Island, but we don't really know.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1540341989044113415

https://twitter.com/x/status/1539881171303092224

Must be an important target to fire 12 rockets. Speculation is Snake Island, but we don't really know.

HIMARS will soon be destroyed by Mi-28N/NM.