And why exactly are they flying Soviet flags? To commemorate the Soviet Union's historic victory over that same regime Scholz purportedly isn't "too proud" of... In other terms, to celebrate victory in a defensive war against a western power threatening their people once again as we speak.
They are flying the flag of an empire which annexed ukraine and committed genocide on the ukranians…forgot that part?
you deflect. My point was both putin and its military very much want ro “relive” sovjet glory/history.
And here you went claiming russian federation is a completely seperate entity….And ukraine/east europe are just being paranoid for no reason…laughable.
Also, do I really need to recall the entire list of NSDAP members and Third Reich dignitaries recruited by the current German regime?
Puting was kgb.
So I was talking about gestapo members.
To add insult to injury, today we have Berlin supporting neo-Nazis in Ukraine, who torture people Gestapo-style.
Berlin supports the 80% ukranians that want to have closer EU ties. The sovereignity of a nation of 44 million.
We are talking avout tens of millions here.
You keep framing and maligning their rights based on extreme right views of a few hundreds to max handful of thousands.
No, Germany is definitely not in a position to lecture Russia in this regard, nor anyone else for that matter.
So basically you agree that a former kgb agent openly wanting to re-create sovjet/empire past is a cause of concern?
“But they are called russian federation now” seems like a ridiculous argument now hmmm?
The Chechen wars saw Russia squashing separatists, which included head-cutting, NATO-backed foreign fighters.
In Syria, Russia was requested to intervene by the local government against NATO-sponsored head-cutting insurgents including "I"SIS.
Yes, hundred of thousands of civilian dead. But they were “all really just fascist/terrorists” we can see a recurring theme
. Same with all those flattened “liberated” cities.
These are defensive wars.
So is Ukraine, although this one's partially preemptive. Just partially though, because the regime in Kiev had broken the ceasefire in the Donbas, violated two international agreements and was repressing the Russian community on its soil.
Yes the “ukraine is not really a state” talk and push for kiev is very “defensive”
No, all along the 1990's Russia was entirely powerless and in a more than desolate condition. A bankrupted Russia, whose industries were being plundered by western-linked oligarchs could impossibly afford any meaningful funding of political parties in western Europe. Whereas conversely, Foreign Ministry employees in Moscow were receiving instructions on the phone from Washington.
This is what the actual historic sequence looks like.
Because you pretend the russian federation has nothing to do anymore with the past.
Despite their kgb leader wanting to re-instate it.
Yes when they were weak their efforts were reduced. As soon as they regained strength we see the same destabilizing (funding nationalist/seperatist in eu), opression (belarus), agression (chechnia/syria/ukraine) as we europeans are very much used to from the russians.
An entire department of the Ukrainian judiciary staffed by Russian supporters?
Who knows what internal critiscism came up.
Shall we handpick some judiciary statements during pro-western times from ukraine???
This is Pakistan Defence Forum, not the German public space where anti-zionism is quasi systematically equated with judeophobia, you know.
The “zionists” are behind “everything” is a pretty recurring thinly veiled antisemitic theme.
Strawmanning all over the place. The fact remains that in Mariupol, the Azov regiment had their headquarters and was fielding thousands of fighters as per the admissions of western regimes and media, which is the point under discussion.
With only a % of azov being nazi…
Now shall we discuss the 35 million ukranians now wanting to join the EU?
Nearly half of Ukraine's population is composed of native Russian speakers. And they experienced eight long years of oppression at the hands of western-promoted Ukrainian far right extremists. They still do in regions not yet liberated, where upon the slightest expression of sympathy for the Russian Federation, they are arrested and disappear in dungeons where they are tortured in conformity with Ukrainian law (which has legalized torture much like the Bush junior regime did in the USA).
More propaganda. Thats 20 million suffering heavy oppresion/genocide. Can you show me some solid proof?
Even in east, russia is facing stiff resistance.
Many polls also among russian speaking population show a good portion is pro west. Facts speak louder mate…
1) Russia unlike NATO isn't simply bombing everything to smithereens.
Please stop lying cause the heavy overall infrastructure damages from russian artillery/bombs is well documented over their many wars.
2) The basic warfighting capability of Ukrainian armed forces is far superior to Afghanistan or the Iraq of the early 2000's.
3) Over-represented neo-Nazis and other far right extremists, high on captagon and morphine are engaging in a nihilistic and hopeless stand which achieves to delay Russian advances even though it fails at averting them.
4) The Donbas is home to the heaviest and most fortified Ukrainian defence lines.
5) If morale among many regular units of the Ukrainian military wasn't particularly low, they wouldn't release this many videos to voice their desperation, despite the extreme punishments they risk.
6) Now desertions need to be added to the mix, as acknowledged even by western propaganda media:
An intelligence report reveals Ukraine is suffering thousands of casualties and are outgunned by Putin's forces in the Donbas, says The Independent.
ca.yahoo.com
So just watch Ukrainian forces falter little by little, they can slow down but not prevent the inevitable.
A demoralised army does not lead to 500 meter territory taken per day. It leads to collapse like we saw in iraq/afghanistan
You're making it appear as if NATO never manifested any hostile intentions towards Russia. Bona fide russophobes they put in power in Kiev after overthrowing democratically elected governments via CIA-orchestrated "color revolutions" and armed mobs, we must have dreamt it all up... not.
Meanwhile some western European politicians acted in a slightly more responsible manner than the bulk of their sell-out colleagues and attempted to counteract Washington's push for confrontation with Russia. It's they to whom we owe projects such as Nordstream. However, in the end EU regimes proved that they're comfortable with vassalage and will forego their own best interests for the sake of Uncle Sam's raging lust for destruction.
As said, continued subjugation to American (and zionist) overlords will only have devastating consequences for European states, including on the security front and not least because they're actively making an enemy out of Russia when this was not necessary nor inevitable. All it would have taken was to show some fortitude and decouple their policy from the US regime. It's still not too late.
I am saying its an eb and flow of geopolitical pressure and interests from
Blocs.
American action does not justify all counter-reactions. Especially against third party.
There's no relation and I explained why. Neither of the countries destroyed by NATO in recent decades posed any real threat to the latter. So much so that they needed to concoct bogus "evidence" of WMD and other such universally debunked fairy tales. With regards to Ukraine and Russia, the situation is of course totally different.
Claims a MI6-handled nobody in his home in London, who is known for issuing uncorroborated statements left and right. But even the latter cannot but confess that the governmental camp's civilian to military kill ratio was no worse than 2 to 1 - in reality it was probably far more favorable even. Which, for a counter-insurgency effort in mostly urban and densely populated area fought with a lack of precision munitions is nothing out of the ordinary. The zionist regime, which benefits from a much larger stock of accurate ordinance, has killed proportionally more civilians in several aggressions it launched on the Lebanese and Palestinians.
Blahblahbal with basically amounting to “america and israel did bad things so russia can now flatten ukraine!”
I don't know of any invasion of Afghanistan by Russia. As for the USSR, factor in the might and resources of the very few states assisting the Taleban in the 2000's, versus the array of powers supporting the Mujahedin against the Soviets, or else no comparison would make sense.
Millions of civilian dead vs thousands is what im talking about. Watch the population development during both.
Some of them seem to have thought it'd be a good idea to seek "revenge" against a weakened Russia by joining NATO, instead of establishing strong mutually constructive ties. Now it's backfiring and rightfully so.
Every time they chose distance/sovereignity the soviets send more troops/kgb.
But i will convey the message of an iranian to all eastern europans. They dont know what they are doing. Their experiences and knowledge of russia is clearly worthless.
Others like the current administration in Hungary still seem to be capable of independent and rational policy-making, relatively speaking.
Doesn't need to be, there are enough credible sources attesting of it. If the USSR was given such an assurance, which it was, then in all logic it would have had to apply even more so to a much weaker Russian Federation in the 1990's and early 2000's.
Because the neoconservative "Brookings Institutions" is a valid source now?
That sort of stuff isn't going to fly with anyone with an ounce of intellectual probity.
Gorbachov stated it…
And for your “legal” view. How much is a statement made in passing to a regume that doesnt exist anymore holding up to more recent written promises by the russian federation??
Again you pick and choose whichever angle suits you…
Getting progressively encircled by a rabidly hostile military alliance whose nation-wrecking habits are there for all to see, and exhausting all peaceful diplomatic means in an attempt to reason with them, justifies pushing back if they obstinately stick to their antagonistic line.
"Running" from windmills. Or rather, gobbled up by an expansionist, hegemonist, warmongering US regime.
Russia has been militarily intervening against former Warsaw Pact states "all the time", in a parallel universe perhaps.
It is initiated by one party. And that party was the regime in Kiev, end of story.
The prospect of having a hostile, notoriously oppressive and warmongering superpower station troops on one's border, and use the area as a staging ground for acts of destabilization, while one's ethno-linguistic brethren are getting shelled by local clients of that superpower provides far better justification than some trumped up "WMD" charges against an impoverished, feeble country located ten thousand of kilometers away and relying on an incapable military - not least because it was subjected to a decade of inhumane sanctions by the aggressor, as a result of which a million of its citizens perished.
More propaganda.
Outlandish contention. Between the signing of the Minsk accords and the start of the Russian special military operation, 14000 Donbas residents were slaughtered by Ukrainian regime forces, most of them civilians.
Read the un report again maybe? Playing with numbers again…its “all regime victims “ now…
Ah, Iranians are bound to be propagandists while eastern Europeans leaders are incapable of objectionable policy-making and miscalculation. And if the German people in March 1933 voted the NDSAP into power, that too must have been based on their superior "know-how and experience" I suppose.
The nazi party never got majority vote.
Again a sign that maybe you do not know better then europeans about their own history….
By the way, it's quite rich to be labelled a "propagandist" by one of the multiple NATO-sympathizing users who joined this forum over the past few weeks with the express purpose of posting merely in this one thread, and trying to salvage what is salvageable on the psy-ops front by means of rehashing pre-fabricated talking points conceived by western regimes, considering the debacle zio-American muppets in Ukraine are suffering.
Longer time lurker to perceive “the other side” opinion/sources. Couldnt handle the blatant russian propaganda on this matter. I have ukranian friends… it hurts me to see a european country being attacked like this.
There can be no doubt that the unenviable title goes to the US regime regime, its client states and other minions. Who caused a million Iraqi civilians to perish including half a million children and newborns by imposing suffocating sanctions on that country from 1991 to 2003, which the Secretary of State brushed off as an "acceptable price" to pay on live television.
The war in Syria is also a direct consequence of zio-American meddling and deliberate engineering of a civil war.
Saddam could feed his million men army but not the children. Also medicine was not included in sanction and new evidence points to purposely inflated iraqi numbers…
That's your thought process, not mine. Ukrainians and Russians are suffering because of the US empire's expansionism in Europe as well as the concrete, immediate existential threats this policy is posing to the Russian Federation. US attacks on Iraq and an endless list of other countries however serve as an illustration as to how Washington operates and what its true policy goals are, behind the fallacious facade of lies and manipulations.
Yes, let the ukranians suffer russias dreams of colonial empire, for something america did to iraq.
We europeans have a better history with american influence by the way. A reason so many a running away from the russian “embrace”
