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This is "60 minutes", the most watched TV-show on Rossiya-1 state owned TV.
The host is Olga Skabeeva, nicknamed "Putin's Iron Doll"
In fact, it's psy ops to make western population afraid and push public opinion into stop supporting Ukraine...
Which is absolutely disastrous understanding of Western psychology : this just reinforces our resolve !!!!


Tucker Carlson? :crazy:
And why not Groucho Marx or Mel Brooks?:jester:
Yeah Grandpa, Marx or Brooks or whatever blah blah...:chilli:
 
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How exactly dows she think Russia will manage to demilitarize NATO? Its a complete pipe dream.
Russian television broadcast seems to have some really good nutjobs in their ranks. Maybe we can send western nutjobs and Russian nutjobs to Bouvet Island, where they can do a good Hunger Game on eachother, so the rest of us can live in a peaceful world.
I think we can send them Tucker Carlson, Viktor Orban and Marine Le Pen.
Le Pen is already sued in 6 cases, mainly for embezzlements, and a new report from the OLAF may just add to the festivities... Well, if things go bad, she may request a political refugee status in Russia: Putin's bank has already arranged loans to fund several of her electoral campaigns...
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She'll be able to pose as being the victim of EU persecutions and here dad too.
Putin may even end choosing her as heir apparent, they're definitively from the same breed.
 
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Bro, much of the world already see this as America's proxy war. Tucker Carlson nightly calls out democrats for funding this Proxy war. Ukraine is bankrupt, and US contributed almost 55 billion this year. 6 billion a month in weapons, and financial aid. Ukraine needs 5 billion for civil administration/pensions just to feed its population. Army needs another 5 billion a month to fight the war. So around 9 -10 billion a month. US is financially bank rolling this war. Senator Rand Paul asked for supervision for the recent 40 billion Aid, and Democrats cram down the Senate. So this is very much shaping up to be Joe Biden's Coup de tat. In contrast Europe is only providing 1.5 billion a month so far. Why is America so anxious to flush USD to Zelensky and his cronies? We will see how long American taxpayers are willing to put up with this since midterm election coming soon. Canada is sending $500 million aid this year, so my fck taxes are funding zelensky and his cronies while our cost skyrocket.
America might be the one paying for a majority of it, but it’s the occurrences in Europe’s backyard for 20 years that has led up and caused this war I wish America wasn’t paying for it but I sure won’t be blamed for Russians killing Ukraine financed by Europe’s lust for cheap energy. I’m sure you’ll gloss over facts and say “but it’s americas fault”
 
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America might be the one paying for a majority of it, but it’s the occurrences in Europe’s backyard for 20 years that has led up and caused this war I wish America wasn’t paying for it but I sure won’t be blamed for Russians killing Ukraine financed by Europe’s lust for cheap energy. I’m sure you’ll gloss over facts and say “but it’s americas fault”
Americans should be outraged that Biden cares more for Ukraine territorial dispute with Russia in an area with predominantly Russian speakers, than American mother without baby formula, and American families that have to deal with $6 a gallon gas prices as well as historic high inflation rates above 8%. If this is an European issue, Europe should step up and pay for the war, so why is Biden financing this war again? If EU is spending 45 billion to finance this war, then I will definetely say it's not america's fault and I will defend it to the teeth.

Also US has long interest in Ukraine since 2014, US military aid topped $2.5 billion since 2014 prior to the war to fund Ukraine's aspiration to NATO, which spark this war. Ukraine military and civilian institution has long been infiltrated by American interest. Ukraine ranks 122/180 countries in corruption according to transparency international. I am sure Zelensky got fistful of dollars stashed away in the caymans. Oh, he does.

 
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America might be the one paying for a majority of it, but it’s the occurrences in Europe’s backyard for 20 years that has led up and caused this war I wish America wasn’t paying for it but I sure won’t be blamed for Russians killing Ukraine financed by Europe’s lust for cheap energy. I’m sure you’ll gloss over facts and say “but it’s americas fault”
Energy is cheaper in the USA than in Europe before the recent crises...
You surely know who Vickie Nuland is?
You should well listen to this :
Usually, we do well with the Russian as long as Uncle Sam doesn't interferes... and Fattie Vickie avoids her shenanigans...
You definitively don't want me to explain the little game they played at the DoS herein, HRC and Kerry have made a total mess, they ruined 23 years of well crafted job at petting Russia to side with the West just because of a short sighted policy named "Global Energy Dominance".
I'd strongly advise Blinken to read what Otto von Bismark wrote about the relations with Russia, that's the way to go : any other method and you end with a total mess and and it's a non zero-sum game, except it's not a win-win, it's a lose-lose.
You should watch Ridley Scott's Body of Lies : your DoS acts exactly the same way as Ed Hoffman (Russell Crowe), but at a macro-level... :hitwall:

Now Putler's acts are intolerable and he has to be stopped, but I can tell you that the Biden/Bojo diplomatic gaffes have created an even worse situation.
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Perhaps you didn't read my post....I know there are neo-Nazis in Russia, as there are in Ukraine. Like I've said before, this is a Slavic civil war between one bunch of Slavic neo-Nazis, and another bunch.

The Ukrainian regime itself has neo-Nazi leanings and Nazi sympathizers in its midst, the Russian government does not. In fact, it is part of NATO and zionist propaganda to try to suggest there is no difference between the two states in this regard. But this is a fallacy, and quite a preposterous one at that.

In 2016, the city of Kiev renamed a major avenue to honor Stepan Bandera, local WW2 collaborator of Nazi Germany:

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Kiev renames major street to honor Russian Nazi collaborator​

Stepan Bandera’s nationalist group urged Ukranians to ‘destroy’ Jews and Poles in the 1940s

By Agencies and TOI staff
7 July 2016, 10:03 pm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kiev-renames-major-street-to-honor-russian-nazi-collaborator/

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According to some, the above information represents "Kremlin propaganda". I wasn't aware that the "Times of Israel" is a mouthpiece for the Russian presidency, nor that "Google Earth" and basically every company producing maps of Kiev is controlled by the latter.

Now, could you point me to an equivalent to this anywhere in Russia? This is as if the city of Moscow named a street in the center of town after Bronislav Kaminski - simply unthinkable.

Here we can see officials at the Kiev City Council - who aren't members to any neo-Nazi group, chant "Our father is Bandera":


Citation this fact too was brushed off "Kremlin propaganda". It's visibly as genuine as it gets though. And again, nothing like this would be even remotely possible at the Moscow municipality.

The Ukrainian ambassador to Germany of all places, Andrei Melnyk, declared having laid a bouquet of flowers at the grave of Stepan Bandera, whom he referred to as "our hero". Any Russian diplomat on the record for praising a Nazi collaborator? Negative.

https://detv.us/2022/03/16/stop-demonizing-the-azov-regiment-rt-en/

Below that, the user linked a tweet by Melnyk from 2015. In it, Melnyk referred to a visit to the grave of Ukrainian fascist and anti-Semite Stephan Bandera, whom he honored with a bouquet of flowers. Melnyk wrote at the time:

“At the beginning of my visit to Munich, I met representatives of the UKR and laid flowers at the grave of our hero Stepan Bandera.”


Furthermore, the Great Patriotic War as WW2 Soviet defense against national-socialist Germany is referred to in Russia, is cultivated and upheld in the collective memory of Russian people by authorities in Moscow. Along with the original anti-fascist doctrine coined by Josef Stalin, it occupies a central place in the formulation of national identity in modern Russia, and constitutes a centerpiece of Russian political culture.

Some academic publications on the topic:

C. McDaniel, Russia’s Proud Past and Patriotic Identity: A Case Study of Historical Accounts in Contemporary Russian History Textbooks. Modern Languages Open, 2018, (1) 26, pp. 1–33.
https://www.modernlanguagesopen.org/articles/10.3828/mlo.v0i0.239/galley/303/download/

Vera Tolz, Forging the Nation: National Identity and Nation Building in Post-Communist Russia, Europe-Asia Studies, 1998, Vol. 50, No. 6, pp. 993-1022. https://www.jstor.org/stable/154053

E.A. Wood, Performing Memory: Vladimir Putin and the celebration of World War II in Russia, Soviet and Post Soviet Review, 2011, 38 (2), pp. 172-200.

S. Bernstein, Remembering War, Remaining Soviet: Digital Commemoration of World War II in Putin’s Russia, Memory Studies, 2016, 9 (4), pp. 422-436.

E.F. Krinko, Modern Russian Historiography of the Great Patriotic War: Results of the Couple of Decades, Old times, 2008, 4 (14), pp. 6-21.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_...mes&volume=4&pages=6-21&publication_year=2009

Which is why 8 May is a major holiday in Russia, and why a military parade commemorating the USSR's victory over Nazism is organized every year in Moscow. The entire event is held under the banner of remembering the anti-fascist resistance of the Soviet nation during WW2:

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Red Army veterans who fought at the front lines against Nazism have systematically been attending the parade, seated in the first rows:

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The pervasiveness of this consequent anti-fascist legacy was seen reflected in the Soviet flags flown by Russian armed forces over the course of their current campaign in Ukraine:

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Such flags have also been raised by Russian-speakers of eastern Ukraine and Crimea at various gatherings:

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By contrast, not only is there no state sponsorship for the remembrance of WW2 victory over Nazism in present day Ukraine. Divergent narratives focused on anti-communism, that favor local Nazi collaborators e.g. Bandera, happen to be dominant in Ukrainian society.

In conclusion, there can be no comparison between Russia and Ukraine when it comes to state endorsement of Nazism and Nazi ideology.
 
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The Ukrainian regime itself has neo-Nazi leanings and Nazi sympathizers in its midst, the Russian government does not. In fact, it is part of NATO and zionist propaganda to try to suggest there is no difference between the two states in this regard. But this is a fallacy, and quite a preposterous one at that.

In 2016, the city of Kiev renamed a major avenue to honor Stepan Bandera, local WW2 collaborator of Nazi Germany:

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Kiev renames major street to honor Russian Nazi collaborator​

Stepan Bandera’s nationalist group urged Ukranians to ‘destroy’ Jews and Poles in the 1940s

By Agencies and TOI staff
7 July 2016, 10:03 pm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/kiev-renames-major-street-to-honor-russian-nazi-collaborator/

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According to some, the above information represents "Kremlin propaganda". I wasn't aware that the "Times of Israel" is a mouthpiece for the Russian presidency, nor that "Google Earth" is controlled by the latter.

Now, could you point me to an equivalent to this anywhere in Russia? This is as if the city of Moscow named a street in the center of Moscow after Bronislav Kaminski - simply unthinkable.

Here you can see members of the Kiev City Council - who are not members to any neo-Nazi group, chant "Bandera is out father":


This too was considered "Kremlin propaganda". And yet it's factual. And again, nothing like this would be even remotely possible at the Moscow municipality.

The Ukrainian ambassador to Germany of all places, Andrei Melnik, declared having laid a bouquet of flowers at the grave of Stepan Bandera (located in Germany), whom he referred to as "our hero". Any Russian diplomat on the record for praising a Nazi collaborator? Negative.

https://detv.us/2022/03/16/stop-demonizing-the-azov-regiment-rt-en/

Below that, the user linked a tweet by Melnyk from 2015. In it, Melnyk referred to a visit to the grave of Ukrainian fascist and anti-Semite Stephan Bandera, whom he honored with a bouquet of flowers. Melnyk wrote at the time:

“At the beginning of my visit to Munich, I met representatives of the UKR and laid flowers at the grave of our hero Stepan Bandera.”


Furthermore, the Great Patriotic War as the Soviet defense against national-socialist Germany during WW2 is referred to in Russia, is upheld in the collective memory of the Russian people by authorities in Moscow. Along with the original anti-fascist ideology coined by Josef Stalin, it occupies a central place in the formulation of modern Russian national identity, and forms a centerpiece of Russian political culture.

Here some academic publications on the topic:

C. McDaniel, Russia’s Proud Past and Patriotic Identity: A Case Study of Historical Accounts in Contemporary Russian History Textbooks. Modern Languages Open, 2018, (1) 26, pp. 1–33.
https://www.modernlanguagesopen.org/articles/10.3828/mlo.v0i0.239/galley/303/download/

Vera Tolz, Forging the Nation: National Identity and Nation Building in Post-Communist Russia, Europe-Asia Studies, 1998, Vol. 50, No. 6, pp. 993-1022. https://www.jstor.org/stable/154053

E.A. Wood, Performing memory: Vladimir Putin and the celebration of World War II in Russia, Soviet and Post Soviet Review, 2011, 38 (2), pp. 172-200.

S. Bernstein, Remembering War, Remaining Soviet: Digital Commemoration of World War II in Putin’s Russia, Memory Studies, 2016, 9 (4), pp. 422-436.

E.F. Krinko, Modern Russian Historiography of the Great Patriotic War: Results of the Couple of Decades, Old times, 2008, 4 (14), pp. 6-21.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_...mes&volume=4&pages=6-21&publication_year=2009

Which is why 8 May is a major holiday in Russia, and why a military parade commemorating the USSR's victory over Nazism is held every year in Moscow. The entire event is held under the banner of the commemoration of the anti-fascist resistance during WW2:

2020_Moscow_Victory_Day_Parade_023.jpg

012F9F4000000578-3071118-image-a-17_1430990817406.jpg

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WW2 veterans who fought at the frontlinesagainst Nazism have systematically been seated in the first rows at the parade:

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The pervasiveness of this firm anti-fascist legacy was seen reflected in the Soviet flags flown by the Russian armed forces during their current military operation in Ukraine:

ipu1mtxxrxj81.jpg

q32wq683szj81.jpg

FNmJ0gQXIAgwrBm

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The flags were also raised by Russian-speakers of eastern Ukraine and Crimea at various gatherings:

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russian-soviet-victory-banner.jpg


By contrast, not only is there no state sponsorship for the remembrance of WW2 victory over Nazism in present day Ukraine, but opposite narratives focusing on anti-communism and favoring local Nazi collaborators such as Bandera, happen to be dominant in Ukrainian society.

In conclusion, there can be no comparison between Russia and Ukraine when it comes to Nazism and Nazi ideology.
For sure : the Nazi-Soviet alliance started WW2!!! Ukraine had no say!
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America might be the one paying for a majority of it, but it’s the occurrences in Europe’s backyard for 20 years that has led up and caused this war I wish America wasn’t paying for it but I sure won’t be blamed for Russians killing Ukraine financed by Europe’s lust for cheap energy. I’m sure you’ll gloss over facts and say “but it’s americas fault”
lol, I don't understand why you want to argue with the insane and the infirm.

He would probably say "It's the American fault that US lend least over 80% of military article to US and USSR to fight the Nazi Germany" back in WW2.

This is a Europe problem, US is just a helping hand, it may seems 50 billions is a lot, that's not even the money we spend for a year in Afghanistan. try double that.
 
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For sure : the Nazi-Soviet alliance started WW2!!! Ukraine had no say!
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revisionist nonsense. non-aggression pacts were signed with Nazi Germany by almost all western countries prior to it.
1934 : German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact <= people tend to forget that they were the first to sign a pact with the Nazis

• 1935 : Anglo-German Naval Pact

• 1938 : Munich Agreement (Britain and France)

• 1938 : Bonnet-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact (France)

• 1939 : German–Romanian Economic Treaty

• may 1939 : Denmark-Germany Non-Aggression Pact

• june 1939 : Estonia-Germany Non-Aggression Pact

• june 1939 : Latvia-Germany Non-Aggression Pact

Moreover even a child knows that nazis hated of all the people - communists and eastern europeans.
 
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Another example of your silly attempts to mislead people.

First coin was actually made by an SS-members Leopold von Mildenstein and Kurt Tuchler, who suggested solution of the Jewish question should be for the German Jews’ emigration to Palestine. The coin was their own private initiative.

Second coin does not even relate to the issue. That is not a Nazi swastika on the coin , but the ancient religious symbol used various Eurasian cultures.

Stop misleading people.

My comprehensive response was deemed off-topic by a moderator. Briefly: what's actually misleading, is to suggest there was nothing more to it than two SS officers formulating some ephemeral proposal and having a coin minted for their private needs in celebration of their initiative... When in reality, collaboration between Nazi Germany and the zionist movement took the form of an actual accord, the Havara agreement signed on 25 August 1933, as well as seven years of bilateral cooperation.

Readers interested in the subject are invited to study the following source: https://www.palestineremembered.com/FactsAboutHaavara.html
 
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revisionist nonsense. non-aggression pacts were signed with Nazi Germany by almost all western countries prior to it.
1934 : German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact <= people tend to forget that they were the first to sign a pact with the Nazis

• 1935 : Anglo-German Naval Pact

• 1938 : Munich Agreement (Britain and France)

• 1938 : Bonnet-Ribbentrop Non-Aggression Pact (France)

• 1939 : German–Romanian Economic Treaty

• may 1939 : Denmark-Germany Non-Aggression Pact

• june 1939 : Estonia-Germany Non-Aggression Pact

• june 1939 : Latvia-Germany Non-Aggression Pact

Moreover even a child knows that nazis hated of all the people - communists and eastern europeans.

Not to mention that the nonsense posted by the troll does not even come close to challenging any of the hard facts I pointed to.

Namely, what is being commemorated today in Russia is Soviet victory over Nazism, and certainly not any random item from Soviet history.
 
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