Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[vizier]

As ATACMS is under consideration to be transferred along with F16s which are already finalised there should be some changes made in the Russian defense lines in order to adapt to these new weapons. Awacs needs to be procured against the low numbers of Ukranian F16s to detect them flying low which Sam systems can't easily detect in time.

For Atacms the main targets would be helicopter bases in Crimea as Ka-52s were proved to be the backbone of success against armor in the Ukranian counteroffensive. As helicopters are vtol platforms the landing areas should be scattered around Crimea and randomly switched several times daily. This would complicate target designation as the helicopters would not be at the targeted zone when the missiles are launched. Su-25 also has rough landing capability and can operate from makeshift runways which can be used in Crimea as well with a similar location changing approach. Another option is to carry the bulk of helicopters deeper inside Russia and use Crimea bases temporarily to resupply and attack.

Another option is to increase production of Buk-M3 missiles which can in theory counter ATACMS. It had scores against Himars as well. At terminal phase Atacms can employ decoys(steel balls etc.) like Iskandar missile that needs to be considered as well. Buk-M3 can intercept the missiles just after midcourse at high altitudes before the decoys are deployed or some measures can be developed to distinguish decoys and the real missile. Buk-M3 is a tube launched system. If some technology is shared with Russian allies like China or others they can produce the missiles-use the missiles with their own radars and sending a portion of the produced missiles back to be used in Russian Buk-M3 platforms. The tubes can't be distinguished from other Russian produced weapons and would pack an extra defense against ATACMS as well. Some supply route can be created which can't be caught easily like from China through NK. Air cargo can be detected by satellites but even that won't create too much issues. Sending defensive weapon like sam directly to Russia even if caught can't be responded like sending tactical bms or similar offensive systems. Russia can claim to use the systems in protection of Moscow area away from frontlines and can shift its produced sams to Crimea arranging the paperwork accordingly.

 

[ZeGerman]

As ATACMS is under consideration to be transferred along with F16s which are already finalised there should be some changes made in the Russian defense lines in order to adapt to these new weapons. Awacs needs to be procured against the low numbers of Ukranian F16s to detect them flying low which Sam systems can't easily detect in time.

For Atacms the main targets would be helicopter bases in Crimea as Ka-52s were proved to be the backbone of success against armor in the Ukranian counteroffensive. As helicopters are vtol platforms the landing areas should be scattered around Crimea and randomly switched several times daily. This would complicate target designation as the helicopters would not be at the targeted zone when the missiles are launched. Su-25 also has rough landing capability and can operate from makeshift runways which can be used in Crimea as well with a similar location changing approach. Another option is to carry the bulk of helicopters deeper inside Russia and use Crimea bases temporarily to resupply and attack.

Another option is to increase production of Buk-M3 missiles which can in theory counter ATACMS. It had scores against Himars as well. At terminal phase Atacms can employ decoys(steel balls etc.) like Iskandar missile that needs to be considered as well. Buk-M3 can intercept the missiles just after midcourse at high altitudes before the decoys are deployed or some measures can be developed to distinguish decoys and the real missile. Buk-M3 is a tube launched system. If some technology is shared with Russian allies like China or others they can produce the missiles-use the missiles with their own radars and sending a portion of the produced missiles back to be used in Russian Buk-M3 platforms. The tubes can't be distinguished from other Russian produced weapons and would pack an extra defense against ATACMS as well. Some supply route can be created which can't be caught easily like from China through NK.

Russia is severely lacking in awacs

Deploying to different airports wont be so effective with ukraine getting up to date US satellite info.

Hidden defence routes are extremely risky. China does not want to lose the 10times larger trade with the west for having russia grab ukraine.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And now we have the wonderful Ukrainian President, Zelensky, threatening countries that are hosting millions of Ukrainian refugees with terrorism, if we don’t continue funneling hundreds of billions of dollars to fund this endless war.

https://x.com/nikstankovic_/status/1701515427031949487?s=46&t=QBqWMAb2MmXbeoalyBmYqw

 

[vizier]

Russia is severely lacking in awacs

Deploying to different airports wont be so effective with ukraine getting up to date US satellite info.

Hidden defence routes are extremely risky. China does not want to lose the 10times larger trade with the west for having russia grab ukraine.

They need to convert cheaper prop planes to awacs instead of building more expensive A-50 awacs. Similar to Chinese approach

Then they need to carry bulk of their helicopters and planes deeper inside Russia. Airports would be away from 300km ATACMS range . Currently the satellite data is also shared but slower kamikaze drones-cruise missiles are not so effective at those ranges.
Crimea bases can be used temporarily to resuplly and attack during Ukranian counteroffensives. Helicopters can be scattered in batches to any flat area. hitting all targets at the same time even with realtime info would require many missiles that Ukraine does not have and Helicopters would need very short time to resupply and take off again.

Also Crimea is a mountainous region. some mountain tunnels can be carved with entrances looking at the southern sea direction away from the possible ballistic trajectory. Some Helicopters and Planes can be placed there as Atacms can't penetrate mountain bases.

Sending defensive equipment like Sams with the condition of it won't be used in frontlines won't create much impact even if caught. As continious drone attacks to areas away from the frontlines like Moscow and sending defensive weapons like sams there should be considered separately than sending weapons that are directly used in the conflict. Countries didn't declare war to each other yet. There is the possibility of Ukraine declaring war against Russia but Russia can still stay in the current position and continue the military operation. Ukraine uses all it has and nothing will change only on the paper Ukraine would be declaring war officially.

 

[Viet]

Zelenskyy talks about compromising with Putin on this CNN interview with Fareed Zakaria.

Which answer most people question why Ukraine don't want to talk to Russia to end the war.

Putin has not changed his minds he wants from Ukraine, US, EU, and NATO. It’s worthless to have any discussion with Putin. that’s why Zelinskki doesn’t want to talk with Putin. Zelinskki certainly wants to talk to Russia how to end the war. He has made several hints during interviews with the western media. One is the possible solution for the Crimea.

 

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[Viet]

Congrats

Ukraine special forces recaptured strategic oil and gas platforms in the Black Sea.

A major success

 

[The SC]

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[Ali_Baba]

Russia accidentally shells its own troops for two hours mistaking them for Ukranian Soliders !!!!

>> you all should watch this - crazy Russian red on red action…

 

[Vergennes]

https://x.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1701697987494183405?s=20

 

[PK784]

Appears that Ukrainian forces have successfully hit the Sevastopol Shipyard drydocks this morning, likely occupied by a Russian Kilo-class sub and Ropucha landing ship

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701774908403904799

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701793496116383945

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701796050531455197

 

[Soldier35]

A Ukrainian soldier shows Russian mines on the Surovikin defense line. One of the problems of the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian army is the so-called defensive “Surovikin line” created by the Russian army. The line consists of engineering structures that go several tens of kilometers deep into the defense and are based on a developed transport and logistics network. These logistics routes allow the Russian army to quickly transfer reserves from one area to another. One of the important components of this line of defense are mines. One of the Ukrainian soldiers showed, one might say counted, what a colossal number of mines they encountered.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1701787002847281474

Ukraine has likely hit a Ropucha landing ship and Kilo class submarine

 

[Soldier35]

The Ukrainian army published footage of a Ukrainian FPV drone chasing a Russian Ka-52 helicopter. At the moment, an FPV drone does not pose a threat to a helicopter, since the speed of FPV drones reaches 250 km/h, and the Ka-52 helicopter reaches a speed of 350 km/h. But if the drone and the helicopter are on opposite flight paths, or when approaching the helicopter at an angle, the drone can hit the helicopter. With the further development of FPV drones, they will become a real threat to helicopters.