Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

sammuel · Jul 24, 2023

casual said:
are you for real? when has UN charter ever prevented a war? All you need is a tiny jar of laundry detergent.

You can also ask why make laws against murder if some people still commit this crime ?

The issue here is that there is no such thing as a " right to declare war ". Not whether the UN is effective or not in preventing war.

( Though it does set a moral guidelines and has sanctions , it is true it has problems imposing them , specially on stronger nations. )

The fact that some nations still engage in war as a means to solve conflicts ( despite many of them have signed the UN charter ) does not make it ok , and it certianly does not mean that a sovereign country has a right to declare war.

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aviator_fan · Jul 24, 2023

Mohsin A said:
Don't sweat, I won't bother wasting my breath and replying like I should. Most on this forum know you're a lost cause. Will not look at the logic and post BS irrelevant responses not relating to original posts. You'll go to any length to defend the actions of your NATO masters. Trudeau must be proud of this good boy. Give yourself a pat on the back.....everyone knows you're in the upper tier of brown sahibs. Jumping up and down when Ukraine launched their counter offensive which ended up being a damp squib....lol! Keep coping whilst Russia keeps devastating NATO plans to the last Ukrainian...…and soon to be to the last Pole.

You keep on coming up with dumb arguments. NATO just doubled its border with Russia and Baltic is basically turned into a NATO lake where no sub or ship can get out.

At the off chance that your hyperbole about Russia by some miracle prevailing in Ukraine occurs, from NATO's cunningness they encircled Russia in with two additions that Russia could never have dreamed off taking places.

Iñigo said:
Yes

Yes, this is the tremendous thing

what has happened in the West in the last twenty years is mind-blowing

it's like something out of a science fiction movie

Nowadays if someone says in public something approximately reasonable and true the reaction will be a bunch of hysterical crazies shouting: -communist, communist, fascist, fascist

Compare that with what happens in Russia and most middle eastern countries: post something on social media and you go to jail. So name calling vs. going to prison with no hope of coming out. What is your problem? Go live in a country that supports your point of view and get vehement agreement with your opinions if you are afraid of being called names.

sammuel · Jul 24, 2023

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A The cathedral in Odesa’s city center, which UNESCO named a World Heritage was bombed by Russia.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/23/world/odesa-attacks-saturday-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

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aviator_fan · Jul 24, 2023

Hassan Al-Somal said:
You fool, it is not only Africa where migrants to Europe come from. It is from a select countries in the world where the Western powers destabilized their countries. These countries are in Africa, Middle East, and South and Central Asia. The migrants to America also come from Caribbean and South American countries.

Besides, ,majority of African nations are stable. And if you check below, you can see some of the best cities to live in the world are in Africa. Again, you're dumb who is acting up. Go read a book and stop wasting our time, you mule.

Best Places to Live in Africa | Top 10 Places to Emigrate to - Life From A Bag

Africa is home to vast landscapes, colossal mountain ranges, and diverse ecosystems. Where nature ends and civilization begins, and sometimes in between, you’ll find thriving cities and vibrant cultures that host some of the world’s most extraordinary lifestyles and experiences. With Africa...

lifefromabag.com

With respect to the wheat grains that were coming from Ukraine, Russia stated they would fill in the gap. Besides, food would be bought from Asian and South American countries. It is not like Ukraine was the only place where wheat was grown. As a matter fact, it is a good thing for African countries who rely on Ukrainian wheat they need to grow their own wheat. Let us not forget the overwhelming majority (over 80%) of Ukrainian agricultural products went to Europe.

Okay, if Russia fills the gap than starvation won't go up. Thats a good thing if Putin delivers. But you just said that there is no food problem in Africa and its all lies.

As for the top 10 cities: which of these cities are you moving to? Rich Africans from Angola to Lagos buy property in Portugal. The poor ones that can make it across to Libya and dying to go off. This is not to make fun of the plight and misery, but move to one of these cities instead of posting a link to some no-name publication.

sammuel said:
Wow this is from today :

Somali refugees in Kenya threatened by food insecurity - Naturenews.africa

In Kenya’s Dadaab refugee camp, the thousands of new Somali refugees are struggling as food insecurity worsens. As Somali suffers its worst drought in years, Somali refugees have fled over the border to Kenya. In recent months, 135,000 have arrived at Dadaab, one of the world’s largest refugee...

naturenews.africa

Omar, a farmer, was forced to give most of his produce as tax to al-Shabab, the al-Qaida-linked extremists who have controlled parts of Somalia for years, and the little that remained wasn’t enough to feed his family during Somalia’s worst drought in decades. The final blow came when al-Shabab, under pressure from a Somali military offensive, killed his younger brother.

Omar and his family joined a new wave of Somalis on the run. They were among 135,000 new refugees who arrived at Dadaab in recent months and eventually were allowed to access food aid when the Kenyan government resumed refugee registrations in February at the camp located 55 miles (90 kilometers) from the Somali border.

In a refugee camp in Kenya, food shortages left kids hungry even before Russia ended grain deal

DADAAB, Kenya (AP) — Abdikadir Omar was trapped in an extremist-controlled town in Somalia for years until May, when he slipped out to make a 12-day journey with his wife and seven children to neighbo

www.columbian.com

https://www.aninews.in/news/world/others/concerns-rise-in-east-africa-as-russia-pulls-out-of-ukrainian-grain-deal20230723142025/

Somali refugees in Kenya threatened by food insecurity | Africanews

In Kenya's Dadaab refugee camp, the thousands of new Somali refugees are struggling as food insecurity worsens.

www.africanews.com

Russian freeze on grain deal is bad news for poor in Africa

OPINION: Russia announced that it was pulling out of the Black Sea Grain Initiative, a deal it signed with Ukraine in July 2022 to allow for the shipment of grain from Ukraine through the Black Sea routes, writes Dr Sizo Nkala.

www.iol.co.za

Bozo Putin will fix it for Hassan and his people because Putin said they will replace all the grain. Lets see that materialize

casual · Jul 24, 2023

sammuel said:
You can also ask why make laws against murder if some people still commit this crime ?

The issue here is that there is no such thing as a " right to declare war ". Not whether the UN is effective or not in preventing war.

( Though it does set a moral guidelines and has sanctions , it is true it has problems imposing them , specially on stronger nations. )

The fact that some nations still engage in war as a means to solve conflicts ( despite many of them have signed the UN charter ) does not make it ok , and it certianly does not mean that a sovereign country has a right to declare war.

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nope, still wrong. Sovereign nations has always had the right to declare war. UN does not take away that right. UN can only take action if all 5 nations with veto rights on the UNSC agree on something and that is pretty much never.

jhungary · Jul 24, 2023

casual said:
Poland is a sovereign nation. Declaring war is a sovereign right.

(My original post was edited, I hit post reply by mistake and then left to do some work, didn't realise I post that incomplete post, here are the repost)

Yes Poland is a sovereign nation, they can leave NATO if they want, and that's what they need to do if they go to war by themselves otherwise it will drag NATO into war.

NATO is about 2 things. Unified Command and Resource Sharing.

Every country would have their C4I structure implemented into NATO so other country can help you as soon as possible, you are talking about council meeting, communication protocol and anything related to C4I. Sure, some, like council meeting you can exclude Poland if they go ahead and declare war on someone, you just don't invite them to, but you can't stop communication protocol or intelligence sharing to Poland, I mean communication grid is not something you can just unplug and NATO simply cannot just not fly over the area of war because Poland is going in alone.

Then you also have resource sharing, NATO is big on resource sharing, this is where NSN (Nato Stock Number) come from, it track item made by NATO member state and thru to system. So theoretically (I don't know as I did not served in Polish Armed Force), but I do know how NATO work as I used to be in the US Armed Force), Poland can be using 155mm artillery round made by Germany, IFAK kit made by Canada, 5.56 STANAG made by the US, or body armour made by the UK. So all these support will come to Poland aid whether Poland declare war alone or with NATO permission. And as you can see in this war, not every EU country okay with giving resource into active warzone, but within NATO, that's a requirement, so if Poland declare war on someone themselves without consulting NATO first, Poland will get kick out of NATO, or withdraw like the France did back in the 90s, this is the exact reason why.

sammuel · Jul 24, 2023

casual said:
nope, still wrong. Sovereign nations has always had the right to declare war.

Again I ask where is that right writen ?

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Viet · Jul 24, 2023

Since over a week Ukraine artillery is cluster bombing Russians positions.
On video while the Russians deploys cluster bombing on urban areas, Ukraine army limits their use on non residential areas.

USA liefert Ukraine Streumunition – Video zeigt erstmals Einsatz

Die Ukraine setzt aus den USA gelieferte Streumunition nun gegen russische Truppen ein, das zeigen auch Videos. Doch die Verwendung ist umstritten.

www.t-online.de

A.P. Richelieu · Jul 24, 2023

casual said:
are you for real? when has UN charter ever prevented a war? All you need is a tiny jar of laundry detergent.

That is not measurable.

There was no war started between Nieu and Liberia today.
You cannot prove that the UN Charter was not the reason.

The real effect is that wars of aggression has consequences.

That is something Russia and Iraq found out because they had no right to start those wars.

Viet · Jul 24, 2023

sammuel said:
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A The cathedral in Odesa’s city center, which UNESCO named a World Heritage was bombed by Russia.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/23/world/odesa-attacks-saturday-russia-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html

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Putin cares less of cultural heritage. He even bombs areas close to the Chinese consulate in Odessa. The building is damaged. I don’t think the Chinese are too happy with the unlimited friend.

A.P. Richelieu · Jul 24, 2023

casual said:
nope, still wrong. Sovereign nations has always had the right to declare war. UN does not take away that right. UN can only take action if all 5 nations with veto rights on the UNSC agree on something and that is pretty much never.

Sovereign countries have a right to fight a war of self-defense. They do not have the right to fight a war of aggression like Russia is doing right now.

The UNSC issued a resolution to put a stop to Saddams war of aggression.