Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[thetutle]

Let us see what modern-day Ukrainians have been famous for since WW1. Committing ethnic genocide against Polish civilians, the brutality of which triumphed Nazi and USSR crimes (words of Polish survivors, not mine, do some research on your own), largest percentage of Nazi collaborators during WW2 in Eastern and Central Europe, widely known for being some of the most brutal Nazi concentration camps guards (camps like Auschwitz etc. were filled with Ukrainian volunteers), horrors of Holodomor where they were eating each other alive, small children etc., some of the highest murder rates in Europe/world, insane crime rates and corruption, Chernobyl, prostitution, selling out your women to 60-70 year old Western perverts from the UK and elsewhere, anti-Muslim xenophobia (everything can recall how they treated non-European students during the beginning of the war and how some were even forced to die for Ukraine) etc.

You consider all these to be positives or negatives?

 

[MeFishToo]

Yemen has never been bombarded for 5 years. How many times shall it be written that 90% of the damage in Yemen is done by Yemeni parties? It is a civil war for a reason. KSA's intervention in Yemen has been limited to aerial bombardments of Houthis of which vast, vast majority have hit Houthis and not civilians. The few civilian bombardments, like in any war with an insurgency that hides among civilians and in cities, have been widely published and studied. The West hardly play any role in that conflict, not comparable to Israel at all.

NATO to win what exactly? Regardless who "wins", none of it will directly impact Pakistan. The damage to the global economy is already done. A new "Iron Curtain" emerging as well. All this is due to the US hegemony declining and what happens when a power is losing power and is slowly disintegrating internally and externally? Wars/chaos.

The next possible chapter is Taiwan.

I am neutral, because being otherwise would be plain hypocrisy. My main problem with the West/NATO here is not them helping Ukraine (legitimate move), it is the fake/insulting propaganda of talk about democracy, rule of law, etc. and hiding behind beautiful slogans when the end goal is the same as usual, namely keeping your hegemony intact, political, economic and military power, hurting your adversaries etc. That and the completely one-sided reporting since the Euromaidan began in 2013.

I mean here in this very thread I was discussing with supposed educated people about whether or not, a large portion of ethnic Russians within Ukraine were pro-Russia or not. Stating the obvious (Crimea and Donbas) is apparently some kind of Russian conspiracy. Everything that does not suit their fairytale is Russian propaganda.

I wonder what kind of ridiculous lies they will invent when they start to talk about Taiwan? That Taiwanese are not Chinese but some kind of American offspring?



Dislike the West? According to whom? You, some anonymous PDF user. Disliking mainly US foreign policy and the blatant hypocrisy that most educated Westernes also see for what it really is (even though it is not politically correct to admit it in public), does not equal "disliking the West". Unless the West makes up the tiny political elites of mainly the US, because if we are to be honest, the US is the only truly independent country in the West, most others are satellite states of the US indirectly, at least as far as it comes to an independent foreign policy. Excluding maybe UK, France and a few others.

Denmark for instance is just that. Usually blindly toying the American line and looking for protection from the US. Ever since WW2.

The only reason why more Danish soldiers per capita outside of the US, had to die in Afghanistan and Iraq, was solely due to little Denmark wanting to gain favors from the big powerful USA. Basically political extortion.

The whole point of paying 2% of your GDP to NATO is also part of that. The entire world already knows that in an all-out war against the likes of Russia or China, only the US can come to the aid of NATO. Rest have no chances due to their small size. France and the UK are the only ones with nuclear weapons. It is basically the US telling those NATO members to pay up or we won't guarantee that we will come to your aid or protection.

Everyone can see what blatant and public disrespect the US treats a NATO member state like Turkey with. The supposedly second largest land army in NATO after the US, lol.

What are you talking about? Western media such as VICE, one of the few critical medias back in the day, had access to Donbas and made critical reports about just that, Ukrainian war crimes in Donbas since 2014. I am talking about mainstream US media and other Western media. Hardly a word. Yet they all knew what was occurring.

You keep hiding about Russian propaganda, indeed there is a lot of that, but you are completely ignoring the Ukrainian propaganda which is just as bad or at least massive on scale as well. You are clearly anti-Russian because that is what your mainstream media has told you to be. You are incapable of looking at this conflict from both sides. Unlike what I am doing. Anyone that does not toy the 100% official US line (mainly) is some kind of Russian bot, Russian propaganda etc. as if I give a flying **** about Putin and his oligarchy or if I had any horses in this war or some kind of connection to Donbas, Crimea etc.

I am a neutral observer with no ties to either Ukraine or Russia but who says it how I see this conflict in the wider picture.

Im not spreading ukrainian propaganda, I question russian propaganda.
I have considered Russia a threat just about since Putin took power. You yourself dislike imperialism which is exactly what Russia has been about its entire history. Making Russia an Empire is the goal, everything else is camouflage. Putin couldnt care less about the population in ukraine speaking russian or not. He just need more plebs to fulfill his ambitions becomming a global power.
You are incorrect about the reason for Denmark ending up with a high casualty rate in Afghanistan. The danish government agreed sending soldiers to the most battle intens areas, because the spending on the armed forces were too low. Denmark didnt and still doesnt fulfill its NATO obligations - just like most NATO countries dont - but taking part in the fight keept Denmark out of the spotlight. Those soldiers were sacrifised in order to save a couple of billion dollars per year.
If the european countries actually spend 2% GDP on its armed forces, the US would not have to take part in a potential NATO conflict with Russia on european soil.

 

[Corruptistan]

And also those countries had support from Iran and Pakistan. so NATO was essentially fighting a block of about 300 million people.all sharing one long border. It just wasnt publicised.

Iran's role in the Iraqi insurgency between 2003-2011 was minimal and limited to support for a select few Iraqi Shia Arab groups such as those guys below:

Special Groups (Iraq) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kata'ib Hezbollah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Badr Organization - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who overall did very little against the US coalition. Most of Southern Iraq (Iraqi Shia Arab part of Iraq) was relatively peaceful throughout most of the war and relatively few attacks were committed against US forces and other coalition forces.

Most of the US coalition deaths (by far the majority) were committed in Iraqi Sunni Arab areas of Iraq such as the Sunni Triangle of Death.

Sunni Triangle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Those groups were supported by Syria (Al-Assad regime) mainly and private wealthy donors from a wide range of Arab nations, wealthy GCC states in particular such as KSA, Kuwait, Qatar etc.

Pakistan's role in Afghanistan was far greater but also a bit overblown.

Actually many of the US casualties were by the hands of Ba'ath related groups within Iraq (mostly self-founded).

There was also Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia etc. and later those two joined hands and ISIS was created. Or rather Ba'athi elements joined ISIS.

Of course it is important to note that most of the Iraqi Sunni Arab insurgency was not affiliated with Al-Qaeda in Mesopotamia (Al-Zarqawi and his likes). Many of those later turned into Sahwa (tribal militia) that joined hands with the US to fight Al-Qaeda in places like Al-Anbar.

So Iran's role in this regard is overblown and mostly US propaganda to demonize that country in this regard. That and also Iran wanting to impress Muslim masses by making it sound like they were the reason why Iraqi Sunni Arab insurgency groups (most of which were and are rapidly anti-Iran) were killing the most US coalition troops in places like the Sunni Triangle.

You consider all these to be positives or negatives?

Negatives but I suppose that is self-explanatory. As a Bosniak Muslim you should be able to relate. Serbs were doing to you what Ukrainians were doing to Poles, Jews etc. Or Croats to Serbs during WW2.

I am just saying that most users here have no clue about Ukrainian history and Ukrainians and want to make them seem like some kind of saints and innocent lambs. Ask some of the pro-Russian Ukrainians in Donbas or elsewhere what many nationalistic Ukrainians (vast majority of Ukrainian soldiers and volunteers between 2014-2022) were doing in Donbas and elsewhere. Read up on Bandera, UPA, Volhynia genocide, Holodomor (that traumatized the Ukrainian national soul and later likely was the catalyst for their horrific crimes during WW2). Read up on the history of the Cossacks and their brutality. Ukraine is in many ways a traumatized country and this war is not going to help them, just make it even more worse. More traumatized generations. More hatred, more rabid nationalism.

 

[_Nabil_]

It’s a fair point and it sucks. But thats what imperial powers do: they interfere and expand (or try to) and leave a trail of destruction when they fail. This is how Islam spreads all the way to SPain.

Completely Wrong stupid illiterate, When Muslims left Spain, they left a developed country, in all the fields, that ruled the world for the next 2-3 centuries.

From all the Imperial powers from all over the world and through millennials, you only took the Islam as a wrong example

Shows your racism and bigotry, fucking Nazis....

 

[aviator_fan]

Completely Wrong stupid illiterate, When Muslims left Spain, they left a developed country, in all the fields, that ruled the world for the next 2-3 centuries.

From all the Imperial powers from all over the world and through millennials, you only took the Islam as a wrong example

Shows your racism and bigotry, fucking Nazis....

There were 4 examples I gave to make a point and you just picked this one. I was referring to the destruction it took for each power to expand . This idea to abuse somebody without reading the big picture shows the low level of tolerance and backwardness you have. Thats why TUnisia or whichever rat hole you are from will always be closer to the dark ages than the 21st century.

Neither Islam, nor Turks, nor Brits , nor French, nor Arabs were accepted and welcomed by which ever country they invaded. That was the point I was making

 

[_Nabil_]

Looks like our pdf NoThink Tank knows better than Christine Wormuth

US Secretary of Army: Washington should not be reckless in underestimating Russia's capabilities

WASHINGTON MARCH 01. 2023 (Saba) - US Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth warned on Wednesday Washington not to be reckless in underestimating Russia's military capabilities, stressing that Moscow has yet to use only a small part of its air, sea and cyber capabilities.

www.saba.ye

US Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth warned on Wednesday Washington not to be reckless in underestimating Russia's military capabilities, stressing that Moscow has yet to use only a small part of its air, sea and cyber capabilities.

Ok as it isn't on CNN, let call it a false info, everyone will be happy.....

 

[Corruptistan]

Im not spreading ukrainian propaganda, I question russian propaganda.
I have considered Russia a threat just about since Putin took power. You yourself dislike imperialism which is exactly what Russia has been about its entire history. Making Russia an Empire is the goal, everything else is camouflage. Putin couldnt care less about the population in ukraine speaking russian or not. He just need more plebs to fulfill his ambitions becomming a global power.
You are incorrect about the reason for Denmark ending up with a high casualty rate in Afghanistan. The danish government agreed sending soldiers to the most battle intens areas, because the spending on the armed forces were too low. Denmark didnt and still doesnt fulfill its NATO obligations - just like most NATO countries dont - but taking part in the fight keept Denmark out of the spotlight. Those soldiers were sacrifised in order to save a couple of billion dollars per year.
If the european countries actually spend 2% GDP on its armed forces, the US would not have to take part in a potential NATO conflict with Russia on european soil.

Anyone that is incapable of looking at a conflict from both sides, is not eager to study the narrative of both sides, history, who is not openly questioning what is being told in the media, is receptive to propaganda or at least a closely constructed narrative. It is very easy to point at Russia as the big evil aggressor becasuse of the Russian invasion last year but the war did not begin last year. Even the current Ukrainian government states that publicly.

I never said that I dislike imperialism (it is human nature in many ways, in an ideal world I would prefer that it did not exist), just that I dislike US foreign police and how often US invasions and destructive foreign police has been blatantly somehow connected to democracy, supposed spread of democracy human rights and other such nonsense. From the time where communism/USSR was the enemy to nowadays where new enemies are created overnight be it Muslims (using a tiny minority of Muslim extremists as a cover) to nowadays Russia again and China. Or sometimes Venezuela, Nicaragua, Grenada, Cuba and what not. Mind you, I am far from being a communist or socialist but this has nothing to do with politics but just keeping US hegemony intact and hiding behind slogans for the masses.

How is Putin any different form the goal of the US/NATO which is to retain their own hegemony and empire?

Do you not realize that a hostile Russia to Europe, Russia a European and Christian country (majority), is NOT in the interests of Denmark and Europe. Don't you realize that the US elites, if they wanted, could have done much more to integrate Russia with Europe/NATO/EU/West after the collapse of USSR? When Russia was a lawless banana republic with gangsters running the show and tiny Chechnya given the Russians a beating during the First Chechen War, the US was more busy trying to support the same Islamists in Chechnya that later attacked the same US (9/11) if we are to believe the official story. Or before that the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against the USSR. Rambo and everything (Hollywood was activated) and what not. Or the recent Afghanistan failure. Fighting 20 years for what? For Taliban to rule all of Afghanistan 20 years later?

Or maybe, Putin like any autocrat and any leader of a world power (yes, Russia is that in terms of geography, natural and mineral wealth, landmass, transcontinental country, largest amount of nukes, combined military power, population, economic size etc. overall package) is doing what the US would be doing and did (Cuba crisis remember, Nicaragua remember, Grenada remember, Venezuela remember?) if anti-US/pro-USSR/Russia/China states would be emerging in the backyard/neighborhood of the US. Monroe-doctrine etc. Heck, the US even had a problem with Bolivia due to the likes of Evo Morales because he openly talked about American imperialism in the Americas and its negative aftereffects.

I highly disagree. Those soldiers were put to their death for senseless wars that did not change anything. See Taliban ruled Afghanistan today or Shia/Iran-dominated Iraq, before that the clusterfuck that was ISIS which was also due to the 2003 invasion, prior to 2003 terrorism was hardly a thing in Iraq. Basically every goal of the US (long-term) failed spectacularly in both countries.

2% GDP going to NATO (military budget) or not, Denmark and in fact a collective Europe was completely divided when it came to Russia prior to the invasion. Did you forget Nordstream pipeline (probably bombed by the US and not Russia as claimed, see US investigative journalists, the same journalist that uncovered US war crimes in Vietnam, don't recall his name wrote an article recently about it likely being the US), which was supported by European powers like Germany, France etc. All of Europe, apart from Poland, Baltics and other neighbors of Russia that know them and their history + UK (due to their closeness to toying the US line) were pretty much pro-Russian and could not care about Ukraine, Crimea etc. This is also massive hypocrisy as I wrote, now those states pretend to be big Ukrainian patriots, to the extend that Zelenskiyy had to same Scholz and Germany in public for months in order for them to finally decide to start donating weapons to Ukraine.

As I wrote, if the US/West truly cared for Ukraine and Ukrainians none of what is going on would have occurred.

My main point is that people in the West, like elsewhere in the world, are mostly (sadly) blind sheep for the most part that are parroting what the powerful are saying. If people were more critical of their rulers and what is going on in the world, maybe we would have evolved slightly from deciding our differences not by using deadly weapons but by talking to each other and by diplomacy.

 

[TheNoob]

Im not spreading ukrainian propaganda, I question russian propaganda.
I have considered Russia a threat just about since Putin took power. You yourself dislike imperialism which is exactly what Russia has been about its entire history. Making Russia an Empire is the goal, everything else is camouflage. Putin couldnt care less about the population in ukraine speaking russian or not. He just need more plebs to fulfill his ambitions becomming a global power.
You are incorrect about the reason for Denmark ending up with a high casualty rate in Afghanistan. The danish government agreed sending soldiers to the most battle intens areas, because the spending on the armed forces were too low. Denmark didnt and still doesnt fulfill its NATO obligations - just like most NATO countries dont - but taking part in the fight keept Denmark out of the spotlight. Those soldiers were sacrifised in order to save a couple of billion dollars per year.
If the european countries actually spend 2% GDP on its armed forces, the US would not have to take part in a potential NATO conflict with Russia on european soil.

Do you read what you write? You are completely delusional.

 

[_Nabil_]

There were 4 examples I gave to make a point and you just picked this one.

Racist, illiterate and know Liar, you talked only about Islam as a destructive Empire, then talked about Russia in next paragraph.

I was referring to the destruction it took for each power to expand . This idea to abuse somebody without reading the big picture shows the low level of tolerance and backwardness you have.

You forgot Sainte Barthélémy, The Croisades, The genocides of native Indians north and south America, the genocide of Aborigenes, The Iraqian slaughter, The Vietnamese War, WWI and WWII, and only Talked about "Islam destruction", just go Fúck away....

Thats why TUnisia or whichever rat hole you are from will always be closer to the dark ages than the 21st century.

I'm happy living in the dark ages, please keep your pseudo "civilisation" away, we don't need your material and immoral model of Life, be happy in whatever gender you are

Neither Islam, nor Turks, nor Brits , nor French, nor Arabs were accepted and welcomed by which ever country they invaded. That was the point I was making

Completely wrong, many occupied countries, ethnicities, races, were assimilated by conquerors, but your are too dumb, or playing the dumb to acknowledge it.

Looks like we are in Zio Evangelical forum, not a Pakistani one !!!

 

[aviator_fan]

Again low IQ mentality for you to go back to the time before printing press BEFORE a keyboard was invented and internet.

I have consistentLy stated that all empires expanded through violence. This has been good throughout history. I never picked Islamic expansion out as a single element. Everything (crusades included) were violent expansionist policies.

Violence was the default state of affairs in history: few had full standing armies and armies would come from the population. It wasn’t disregarded as a negative thing any more having a credit card is.

Saladdin pushed back the Crusades also through war, not love. He may not have expanded beyond the borders but others did.

It’s human nature to expand. It used to be territorial expansion through wars then, and now its corporate expansion.

Its too bad that your Disney view of the world is disrupted that every Arab conquest was welcomed by every country.

As for your verbal abuses: I feel bad for the rest of your household (assuming you have one).

So yes go back to your hole and to the dark ages and stop misrepresenting a good country like Tunisia with your dumb primitive abusive attitude that can’t get past the first line of the post

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Looks like our pdf NoThink Tank knows better than Christine Wormuth

US Secretary of Army: Washington should not be reckless in underestimating Russia's capabilities

WASHINGTON MARCH 01. 2023 (Saba) - US Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth warned on Wednesday Washington not to be reckless in underestimating Russia's military capabilities, stressing that Moscow has yet to use only a small part of its air, sea and cyber capabilities.

www.saba.ye

US Secretary of the Army Christine Wormuth warned on Wednesday Washington not to be reckless in underestimating Russia's military capabilities, stressing that Moscow has yet to use only a small part of its air, sea and cyber capabilities.

Ok as it isn't on CNN, let call it a false info, everyone will be happy.....

The Russian Navy is limited to what is based in the Black Sea since Turkey has shut down the Straits for other parts, fully according to the governing treaty.
Russias cyber troops are already active, but only cause minor inconveniences. They cannot affect people in the trenches. You do not hear much about the Russia Air Force nowadays. They seem to be firing missiles from far, far away on civilian targets, to mimimize losses. That means that they are limited by missile availability.
Ukraine needs a constant supply of AA resources.

 

[kingQamaR]

how did over 50 nations from ISAF+ NATO + US get on in Afghanistan after 20 years?

Russia is fighting 50 nations together + Ukraine a very very large nation with huge population compared to Iraq and Afghanistan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630928152091410434

This is going to become Europe's Vietnam. America INVADED Vietnam not to prevent a perceived threat from creeping communism in a country 8,000 miles away - 60,000 Americans at 2 MILLION Vietnamese killed and a humiliating DEFEAT for a superpower. All Russia wanted was a firm assurance that Ukraine, which is on its doorstep, would not be allowed into Nato - which they were given so here we are now.

 

[Corruptistan]

As I wrote earlier, Russia's entire tactic in Ukraine proved to be fatally wrong. I am not only talking about the military aspect initially and failed invasion of Kiev.

I am talking about the complete and utter miscalculation in regards to the majority of Ukraine preferring the "Russian alternative", when everyone knows that Russia cannot even compete with the living standards of the Baltics, Poland, Finland and other Russian EU neighbors. So who in their right mind within the power circles of Russia, would have thought that the majority of Ukrainians would have rejected or not wished to enjoy the same riches that their EU neighbors enjoy?

Instead the Russians should have played on the common ethnic, linguistic, historical, religious, geographical etc. ties that bind Russia and Ukraine together and offered Russia as an trustworthy alternative to the West and as an partner. Again, we are back to my viewpoint of Ukraine being better off as a bridge between West and East (Russia) much like its geography dictates.

Instead two closely related peoples are bound to despise each other for many generations if this war will continue for much longer.

It is a massive failure for both parties and Europe as a whole IMO.

History could have been totally different had the strong and victorious West post-1991 (USSR downfall) done what it probably SHOULD have done in order to integrate Russia into Europe and regain the trust after the Cold War. Instead mistakes on both sides were made and here we are.

 

[Solidify]

Russian victory on the cards ;​

Zelensky spooked as Putin throws 'waves of men' into Bakhmut;​

 

[Viet]

how did over 50 nations from ISAF+ NATO + US get on in Afghanistan after 20 years?

Russia is fighting 50 nations together + Ukraine a very very large nation with huge population compared to Iraq and Afghanistan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1630928152091410434

How did USSR in Afghanistan?

War of aggression has no place in the world today.

Note, the US and allied forces never intended to steal lands, people, resources and exterminate culture, custom and everything else from the country.

Putin is a psychopath.