Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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Supposedly neutral but focused on russian propaganda narrative?
Under influence from russia, the president went against his election promise of closer ties to EU. Something 70% ukranians wished for.
In aftermath he fled to russia with milions of cash, and was lawfully ruled a traitor.
So no. Tone down on the “western coup” and “horde of fascists”.
“Hordes of facsists “ but they hardly overcome the voting cutoff of 2%
Far-right politics in Ukraine - Wikipedia
Azov was estimated to number 900-2500 troops around that time.
Stepan Bandera: Hero or Nazi collaborator? – DW – 05/22/2022
The Mariupol fighters revere him, Russian soldiers hunt his supporters. The myth surrounding Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera is at the heart of Russia's assault on Ukraine. Who was he?
amp.dw.com
1/3 ukranians view him positively. Ofcourse often disbelieving his negative actions.
Support for ukraine/bandera however cannot be seen in a vacuum. i assume you heard of the holodomir? Maybe understand why so many ukrainians are not jumping over joy to be colonised back into a neo-ussr?
Vote for independance 1991 also showed crimea around 50/50.Oh, you mean "independent Western media" such as a NBC reporter who just made a reportage in Crimea that showed that every local wants to remain a part of Russia and even fight for Russia? Later that same reporter was banned by "democratic" Ukraine.
A view from Crimea, the Russian-annexed territory Ukraine wants back
NBC News spoke to residents during a visit this week to the peninsula that could soon be back in the center of the conflict between Moscow and Kyiv.www.nbcnews.com
Ukraineâs Foreign Ministry reacts to trip of NBC journalists to occupied Crimea
Ukrainian law enforcement agencies have been checking the circumstances of the film crew of American TV channel NBC staying in the temporarily occupied Crimea.www.pravda.com.ua
New votes under russia, and after russian population manipulations will show skewed result.
russia should not be “rewarded” crimea for its agression. Perhaps it can have another election after liberation. Under checks of UN observers.
1 on 1 copy of russian propaganda again mister “neutral”The same Ukraine that is violently kidnapping its own citizens (males) to force them to join the army and the frontline in Donbas etc. because they are running out of soldiers?
Russian speakers in east <> 1,9 million crimeans you use yo generalize them all
No, ukraine held majority
Russias little green men and heavy support?
You know this…
Millions fled…vote with their feet they call that.
The remaining 20% often supports russia yes. This is only an indication of ethnic cleansing before anything else though….
There is much report on insurgant activity in zaporizhia, kherson, (also “claimed russian).
And again. Russia tried to annex huge amount of land. Donbass is their excuse.
So you counter it by towing the russian propaganda line?
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Seriously you are a lost case, a liar or and and illiterate, WWI, WWII, Irak and Vietnamese invasions, Colonial West, Slaughter of aboriginals are before printing press
and because they are before internet, you just skip them, see your western double standard and stupidity.You did, liar again, your post is still there, I've quoted your statement picking only Islam as an example of destructive expansive empire.
Where did I said that the Arab conquest was welcomed by every country? You are just assuming stuff
You got the "verbal" abuse you deserve, I have no inferiority complex in front of any western, unlike unfortunately many "yes Sahib" brown man complexed are here
Lolz, you want me to get past the first line of your homophobic and racist post against Islam ?
Why ??Because you can't say "sorry, I formulated my idea in a wrong way" ??
Anyway, the rest of your post is also composed if the same shit toward Russia, I'm not Russian, so I don't care.
When talking about "Russian destructive expansionism" and Ukraine, you only found Islamic conquest as an example
Man !!! (Sorry what's your gender, I don't want to offend you) you are so pathetic.....
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Supposedly neutral but focused on russian propaganda narrative?
Under influence from russia, the president went against his election promise of closer ties to EU. Something 70% ukranians wished for.
In aftermath he fled to russia with milions of cash, and was lawfully ruled a traitor.
So no. Tone down on the “western coup” and “horde of fascists”.
“Hordes of facsists “ but they hardly overcome the voting cutoff of 2%
Far-right politics in Ukraine - Wikipedia
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Azov was estimated to number 900-2500 troops around that time.
Stepan Bandera: Hero or Nazi collaborator? – DW – 05/22/2022
The Mariupol fighters revere him, Russian soldiers hunt his supporters. The myth surrounding Ukrainian nationalist Stepan Bandera is at the heart of Russia's assault on Ukraine. Who was he?
1/3 ukranians view him positively. Ofcourse often disbelieving his negative actions.
Support for ukraine/bandera however cannot be seen in a vacuum. i assume you heard of the holodomir? Maybe understand why so many ukrainians are not jumping over joy to be colonised back into a neo-ussr?
Vote for independance 1991 also showed crimea around 50/50.
New votes under russia, and after russian population manipulations will show skewed result.
russia should not be “rewarded” crimea for its agression. Perhaps it can have another election after liberation. Under checks of UN observers.
1 on 1 copy of russian propaganda again mister “neutral”
Russian speakers in east <> 1,9 million crimeans you use yo generalize them all
No, ukraine held majority
Russias little green men and heavy support?
You know this…
Millions fled…vote with their feet they call that.
The remaining 20% often supports russia yes. This is only an indication of ethnic cleansing before anything else though….
There is much report on insurgant activity in zaporizhia, kherson, (also “claimed russian).
And again. Russia tried to annex huge amount of land. Donbass is their excuse.
So you counter it by towing the russian propaganda line?
To you anything that does not remotely toy the Ukraine line is categorized Russian propaganda no mater how accurate it is historically or factually.
Irrespective of what he did it was a coup. He was not legally removed. Read up on his successors and their dirty business.
If you combine all the parties in Ukraine that expose elements of such views they get far more votes than just that. Irrespective of that, they should not even be there in the first place.
According to your source. 1/3 is still a HUGE number. Name me a single European country where Nazi collaborators, people responsible for genocide and open ultranationalist/fascists have such a large support?
And who do you think tended to or tends to join the Ukrainian army if not a large portion of such people who support the above?
Crimea should never have been a part of Ukraine even for the 23 years that it was a part of Ukraine.
You think that the majority of Crimea want to leave Russia? You really do?
Large/huge area of Donbas was held against all odds. Now most is held by Russia again.
I talked about Crimea and Donbas specifically, rest of Ukraine pro-Russian support is in the minority. It also shows on the ground unlike in Crimea and most parts of Donbas. Who would have thought?
Read my previous post in this thread in order to see what I think about "Russian plans and tactics". So much for your "Russian propaganda" nonsense.
Russian propaganda too. Azov Battalion being officially a part of the Ukrainian National Guard is also propaganda.
I saw several videos of men being rounded up in Ukraine to forcefully join the frontline.
If I am not wrong there is even a law in Ukraine that says that joining the army is mandatory unless certain conditions are met. I read an article of many Ukrainian men escaping Ukraine on fake papers that show that their child has a handicap that would allow them not to be drafted to the army etc. I saw similar reports in the Western media on this topic and forceful drafts to the army.
All Russian propaganda as usual, I guess.
I wonder, where you this outraged as well when Iraq, Afghanistan etc. were attacked by the US and West? Were you calling for sanctions, boycotts etc. of the US and their allies? Oh, I thought so, the usual selective outrage.
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MILITARY MUSCLE OF NATO
"russia should not be “rewarded” crimea for its agression."
WTF
Crimea is Russia before California was USA
Why do you have to go to Malaysia, Indonesia or China to have an adult conversation?
The Western mental Bubble exceeds North Korea.
NATO claiming Crimea through its pawns is like Al-Qaeda claiming the large military base in Norfolk.
WTF
Crimea is Russia before California was USA
Why do you have to go to Malaysia, Indonesia or China to have an adult conversation?
The Western mental Bubble exceeds North Korea.
NATO claiming Crimea through its pawns is like Al-Qaeda claiming the large military base in Norfolk.
Hordes of fascists
Ukraine Not a real country
Save the donbass
Western hypocrites
Its literally copy pasted russian propaganda channel headlines. manipulative and distorted
You only tone it down in followup posts…all the way at the end..as a sidenote.
“Well ukraine traumatised from holodomor as well. Russia no saint. I am neutral”
Russia just started a war of agression and ethnic cleansing in ukraine. They are not “the same”. And your are even prioritizing on russian propaganda for its war crimes
He was (legally) deemed a russian traitor.
Some justification for protests, which escalated when hundreds protestors were shot at….
There you go with your “legality” argumentation.
Putin has 87% support.
Poland, the victims of Bandera…fully support ukraine in this matter. What does that tell you?
Russia is a darker shade of grey here buddy…sorry
Crimea was gifted away which led to a very charged situation due to its importance and ethnic demography.
It would have been better off with russia.
However 1991 vote also saw around 50% crimeans vote independance.
All odds? The seperatists were full of heavy arms…suprise suprise. Till rockets which downed a civilian airliner. Full of my countrymen. Thanks putin.
Might does not make right. But if you think so…wait till autumn after ukraines counteroffensive…you might change your tune.
Ethnic cleansing the donbass with the remaining 30% voting russia is not a justification for annexation….
Axov is 900-2500 men. You keep talking about horde and hordes of facsists.
Several videos which were disproven/exaggerated.
Donbass defenders held the line with 10:1 artillery advantage for russia…
All “forced conscripts” ofcourse.
Taliban were harboring terrorists and outed with an immensely low amount of collateral damage. Life expectancy was then greatly improved for afghans…
Why should i be against that?
Quite different from russias afghanistan invasion with plummeting population and millions dead.
Iraq? I was fooled by US propaganda.
us support and image plummeted however. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/...ge-further-erodes-europeans-want-weaker-ties/
Palestine?
Eu is one of the largest donors.
And here you are. Mister neutral trying to justify russias campaign of ethnic cleansing and annexation.
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