Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[Oldman1]

Yes, Western devil unstabilized Ukraine through bribes to Ukraine elite.

It's not fault of Ukrainian common people dying of cold.

It's fault of West, USA, taking advantage of Ukraine corrupt elite using them against Russia.

And of course is fault of Russia and Iran too.

Dying of cold? More like the Russian troops are dying of cold. You think cutting the power would force the Ukrainians to surrender? It doesn't take much to adapt to the cold. Put some extra clothes on like sweat pants and a hoodie or sweater to keep warm. Can't cook food without power? Use indoor portable cooking stove with a vent to safely cook with no power. No lights, use oil lamps or lanterns, LED lanterns, or even candles for light. No power to the fridge, you got natural fridge right outside. Put food on balconies or on window sills, or if they have a stand alone house, put it in their backyard or something. The rest of Europe can provide generators, clothing and aid for the winter.

@jhungary

Since you were there, maybe you can give a little insight into Ukrainian peoples' mindset during the war. You think they surrender because its a little bit cold?

Lol, with the Russian master tens of billions of their tax dollars were stolen, that's why they kicked out their last president, and then that's why Russia took Crimea in 2014. For them, it's worth it, they are gladly living in the cold in order to get rid of the Russians.

Hence why the Ukrainians threw him out.

 

[Oldman1]

@jhungary

Just found this in an Iranian military forum about Czech Republic providing anti air ZSU 23 truck. They are having a laugh about it. I think its smart and not obsolete if integrated with EO system for day and night. Maybe even put it on a bigger truck and combine it with Vampire system with seen on a separate truck.

So integrate and put both of those systems into this type of vehicle or some version of it. Be cheap and effective against loitering/kamikaze drones and cruise missiles and can use them for defending critical infrastructures or use on the frontlines.

 

[jhungary]

in another post as I have mentioned that just the presence of the ATACMS will send shivers on the Russians. They will have to pull their aircraft out of occupied Ukraine from and put them afar.

There are several report floating around within the US intelligence community stating that ATACAMS are already provided to Ukraine via Turkey or Romania and indirectly by the US.

The reason why the Russian hollow out their airbase even as far as Crimea is a testament of something they scare of, and I don't think there are anything other than SF group can reach that far other than ATACAMS

 

[jhungary]

Dying of cold? More like the Russian troops are dying of cold. You think cutting the power would force the Ukrainians to surrender? It doesn't take much to adapt to the cold. Put some extra clothes on like sweat pants and a hoodie or sweater to keep warm. Can't cook food without power? Use indoor portable cooking stove with a vent to safely cook with no power. No lights, use oil lamps or lanterns, LED lanterns, or even candles for light. No power to the fridge, you got natural fridge right outside. Put food on balconies or on window sills, or if they have a stand alone house, put it in their backyard or something. The rest of Europe can provide generators, clothing and aid for the winter.

@jhungary

Since you were there, maybe you can give a little insight into Ukrainian peoples' mindset during the war. You think they surrender because its a little bit cold?

Hence why the Ukrainians threw him out.

You don't need to go there to know they are serious are the Ukrainian.

around 30 million of Ukrainian was offered a way-out including Zelenskyy back in Feb this year, only 10 million left, and about 1/3 had returned. I mean, back then they don't even know if Kyiv are going to get overran. If you are okay to live in a warzone, in the cold no less (Feb still cold in Ukraine) do you think you will leave if it's now only the cold but no war to be seen??

People want to leave had left already, I mean those people who stay are quite diehard. They don't get zapped just because Russia keep bombing their electricity grid. On the other hand, if push comes to shove, they can evacuate the entire Eastern Ukraine and keep them in western part, there are 3 nuclear plants generating enough power to power half the Ukraine which mean those amendity are almost certainly guaranteed.

 

[Dalit]

LOL nice.

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2022/11/852940/negotiating-moscow-would-be-capitulation-ukraine-presidency

KYIV: The West's attempts to persuade Ukraine to negotiate with Moscow, after a series of major military victories by Kiev, are "bizarre" and amount to asking for its capitulation, a key adviser to the Ukrainian presidency said

Iran will help Russia build drones for Ukraine war, Western officials say

Moscow and Tehran are said to agree on a plan to assemble Iranian-designed weapons on Russian soil

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/19/russia-iran-drones-secret-deal/

 

[Viet]

LOL nice.

https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2022/11/852940/negotiating-moscow-would-be-capitulation-ukraine-presidency

KYIV: The West's attempts to persuade Ukraine to negotiate with Moscow, after a series of major military victories by Kiev, are "bizarre" and amount to asking for its capitulation, a key adviser to the Ukrainian presidency said

Iran will help Russia build drones for Ukraine war, Western officials say

Moscow and Tehran are said to agree on a plan to assemble Iranian-designed weapons on Russian soil

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/19/russia-iran-drones-secret-deal/

Negotiation sounds good, however not the right time yet. Ukraine is on offensives on multiple fronts. Halting the offensives only benefit Russia invasion army. Putin will use the truce to recruit more mobis, the Wagners will recruit more rapists and hooligans from prisons.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

After Kherson withdrawal through US mediation. Now US wants Zelensky to talk with Russia and resolve the problem. US can't pump billions every quarter because the rest of NATO countries chicken out and Russians are prolonging this war.

Can you name one thing that provides better return on investment in a US defense budget than supporting Ukraine, which is decimating the Russians?

 

[Michel Niesten]

Can you name one thing that provides better return on investment in a US defense budget than supporting Ukraine, which is decimating the Russians?

Those billions the USA spends don’t end up in Ukraine. The weapons end up in Ukraine, the money goes to the US arms industries. Old stocks send to Ukraine, replenishments bought in USA. So yes, the value goes to Ukraine, but the money ends up in US pockets.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Those billions the USA spends don’t end up in Ukraine. The weapons end up in Ukraine, the money goes to the US arms industries. Old stocks send to Ukraine, replenishments bought in USA. So yes, the value goes to Ukraine, but the money ends up in US pockets.

Which is unimportant, since it is the weapons in the hands of the Ukrainans that reduce Russia.
Why do You comment my statement, when it is totally unrelated?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Negotiation sounds good, however not the right time yet. Ukraine is on offensives on multiple fronts. Halting the offensives only benefit Russia invasion army. Putin will use the truce to recruit more mobis, the Wagners will recruit more rapists and hooligans from prisons.

They can talk - but Military operations do not need to stop for talks.

Russian's are playing for time. It is stalling for time. In the meantime, it will train its mobilised forces, find additional weapons, bring in new supplies and fortify its positions etc.

The American's will know this - and they may push Ukraine for talks but i suspect they wont tell the Ukranians to stop their operations while talks are on...

Winter is here - Russia's position is not that comfortable - and the war will be static for next few weeks due to weather - so there is no real downside to talks in parallel to ongoing operations.

Ukraine needs to rebuild some of her ammunition infrastructure so that the operations can carry on for longer and she must get her own suicide drones build asap. This was will become harder for Russia to sustain if Putin all of a sudden has to explain why night time looks like daytime in central Moscow when the drone start appearing and blowing up shit..

 

[Viet]

They can talk - but Military operations do not need to stop for talks.

Russian's are playing for time. It is stalling for time. In the meantime, it will train its mobilised forces, find additional weapons, bring in new supplies and fortify its positions etc.

The American's will know this - and they may push Ukraine for talks but i suspect they wont tell the Ukranians to stop their operations while talks are on...

Winter is here - Russia's position is not that comfortable - and the war will be static for next few weeks due to weather - so there is no real downside to talks in parallel to ongoing operations.

Ukraine needs to rebuild some of her ammunition infrastructure so that the operations can carry on for longer and she must get her own suicide drones build asap. This was will become harder for Russia to sustain if Putin all of a sudden has to explain why night time looks like daytime in central Moscow when the drone start appearing and blowing up shit..

from all assessments it makes lttle sense to go to negotiation table now. Ukraine is on the move, while Russia army retreating or regrouping as they said it.
the winter is harsh for both sides. however Ukraine is on the offensive. the speed is everything.
the winter will freeze and hardening the ground that will make Ukraine mechanized corps easier to move forwards. also, the winter will make trees leafless, which will make russian troops more difficult to hide.
Don´t forget the new russian mobis will pose a threat in spring when they are ready.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594148602548342785

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594020742592532480

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594023612020924416

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594313680145256451

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594310794119974914

Russians keep throwing cannon fodders in Bakhmut waves after waves....

Spoiler: graphic

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594279065544187904

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594119995310628865

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594032575810801665

 

[mike2000 is back]

LMAO even Russian military analysts are realizing how much their situation in Ukraine is fcked up but you still have the usual bootlickers full on copium telling us how Russia will conduct biltzkrieg and other fairy tales.

Don't mind that Iranian Russian wannabe. Some of them even bootlick Russia more than Russians themselves