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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

International airspace or not, this is not a smart move to send high value assets unprotected. Pakistan Navy lost an Atlantic MPA during peacetime.

3 times the population. In WW2 Allies had 2 times the population of Axis and this doomed Axis.
China was occupied by Japan in WWII. Arab lands occupied by Israel. In both cases a 10-20x population advantage

Russia beat Liz Truss. UK was spending too much money on Ukraine war and broke its economy.
Officially for your stupidity you are blocked so I don't have to read irrelevant material from you. She broke the economy because of arbitrary tax cuts. Ukraine was supported by Boris, her, and her successor. Not a factor....can't you just google basic facts before you post stupid sentences.

Now I never have to see the 'Russia wins because its bigger' sort of posts again
 
@Oldman1

Just gone back to some old cable and found this


I hope the senate are really looking to this again, that senator who purpose this probably have a good insight on the entire situation.
He is ahead of his time. Anyways, that be great news to bring in Avengers and Vampires and maybe even the Coyotes being use to protect American bases in ME. Perhaps develop a new system that is cost effective and have in large abundance of missiles to defend the cities. This is a great learning experience for the U.S. and its allies in learning how to deal with massive loitering wave attacks.
 
intrestingly if i recall correctly there was no money for education system . more precisely there was no money to raise the wage of teachers if recall correctly somewhere around newyork
You recall this from having visited many teachers or just what the Revolutionary Guard tells you or a random youtube you tend to click.

Teachers are funded by county Govt, not federal Govt. Teachers in US do okay: they drive cars, they go on summer vacations, and they don't have to take on second jobs. They are not as highly paid as Finland but they do okay.

Students in school that come from lesser backgrounds have their school meals paid for so no school child is hungry.

Iran , i recall, teachers live below the poverty line but yet somehow manages to use satanic processors and give them to Russians.


China is not relevant? Okay hwo about the main export market for Russian energy now financing the war genius. Lol

Yes of course Chinese aircraft can't take off at night, I am very very sure about that. Lololol
I didn't say Chinese aircraft can't take off at night: I said Chinese Navy cannot conduct carrier operations at night. Emphasis was on aircraft carrier.

Yes excellent job financing the war, when China's own economy has the slowest performing economy in all of Asia for 30 years. Xi's infatuation (much like the US neo-cons) is getting China into trouble. China should be outperforming India, not falling behind Vietnam (yes I am not a China critic in case you are wondering the tone). So stop celeberating China's support of Putin war when its falling behind in its economic growth as a consequence
 
Who are you kidding, 10 Million Ukrainians ran across European borders.

Keep living in fantasy world of Euro self importance.
Context of leaving has a Big difference; women/children/elderly escaped war. No part of mainland Russia is threatened by war but the rich left for Dubai and beyond and smart left for wherever they could get to.

LOL French are in no mood to support the NATO against Russia.


Macron under fire for saying France wouldn’t respond in kind if Russia launched nuclear attack on Ukraine​

French president says Paris would not trigger a nuclear response if Russia launched such a strike ‘in Ukraine or in the region.’
European Council Holds Informal Meeting Of Heads Of State

French President Emmanuel Macron said on Wednesday that Paris would “evidently” not use nuclear weapons in response | Sean Gallup/Getty Images

BY CLEA CAULCUTT
OCTOBER 13, 2022 6:22 PM

PARIS – Emmanuel Macron’s recent comments on the French response in case of a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine have drawn fire from observers and political opponents at home.

During an interview with French TV channel France 2, the French president said on Wednesday that Paris would “evidently” not use nuclear weapons in response to a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine.

“France has a nuclear doctrine, that is based on the vital interests of the country and which are clearly defined. These would not be at stake if there was a nuclear ballistic attack in Ukraine or in the region,” the French president said.

The French president has since been criticized for breaking the usage of remaining vague on the topic of nuclear dissuasion, at a time when Russian leader Vladimir Putin has made nuclear threats.

“[Nuclear] dissuasion’s credibility relies on not saying anything about what we would have to do,” former French President François Hollande said on FranceInfo radio, adding one needed to “say as little as possible and be prepared to do as much as possible.”

As the leader of the EU’s only nuclear power, Macron’s comments that he would not respond to a nuclear attack in Ukraine “or in the region” are unlikely to reassure EU member states belonging to NATO such as Poland, Romania or Slovakia. Article 5 of the NATO treaty states that members should come to the defense of other members in case of attack.

Putin raised the specter of a nuclear war in a major escalation last month, threatening to use “all weapon resources” at his disposal to win.

While the U.S. has remained vague on how it would respond to a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine, it has however made it clear that Russia would face a response of conventional forces on a massive scale.

Bruno Tertrais, deputy director for the think tank Foundation for Strategic Research, questioned Macron’s “curious” decision to spell out the limits of France nuclear doctrine, and the timing of the statement.

“In my opinion, the right answer should have been: I won’t play this game … and anyway Mr. Putin must be aware that he would lose,” he tweeted.

During the interview on Wednesday, the French president said the less dissuasion was discussed “the better,” but he then went on to clarify what would happen in case of an attack against Ukraine. Asked by the France 2 journalist if France would refrain from deploying nuclear bombs in response to a Russian nuclear attack on Ukrainian soil, Macron said “evidently.”

“When I heard him speak, I almost fell of my chair,” said the conservative MP Jean-Louis Thiériot, vice president of the National Assembly’s armed forces committee.
“It’s a political mistake. One of the principles of nuclear dissuasion is that there’s an uncertainty as to what is considered a vital interest,” he said.

Thiériot believes Macron’s message may have been meant for voters at home, who are worried about France’s military support for Ukraine and the possibility of a nuclear war.

The French president did not make any statements on what France’s conventional response might be if Russia used nuclear weapons. On Monday, the G7 countries released a statement that warned that Russia would face “grave consequences” if it did.

The comments risk further undermining France’s push for strategic autonomy and a Europe that defends itself and does not rely solely on the U.S. for protection.
Lili Bayer and Stuart Lau contributed reporting.

Observers and opponents by default are going to oppose the view of the Govt. Thats how opposition works. Or have you never lived in a democratic country to know the definition of 'opposition'. Russia doesn't have opposition so opposition just escapes. In France they just oppose the view of the Govt. That means nothing till the opposition is in power.
 
selling weapons is not jump into other people s war . its what USA and Europe did for centuries , how when we start do that suddenly it become immoral and bad

we didn't participate and that was not around its away . the war benefit us , how if a war benefit you guys you are allowed to fan the fire and we are not allowed to sell some low tech useless flying moped that according to a certain person more than 95% of them are shot down ?


and again wonder , what is so religious about iranian decision . recall somebody in usa called their attack on middle east as a crusade , don't recall we ever called our sale of some low tech weapon to russia as Jihad , show which people are religious nuts
Centuries is too far back: Iran - Iraq war, France and Russia were both supplying Iraq. But despite that, it was a stalemate.
 
:undecided: who said they are downgraded , they are downgrade compared to FGM-148 Javelin which is a lot more portable , easier to operate and is fire and forget also can penetrate more modern target .
Downgraded compared to the Javelin, sure. But the TOWs are cheaper and can't be jammed at all. And the TOW missiles have top attack mode. So it doesn't really matter how modern the tank is. Its thin on the top.
 
Downgraded compared to the Javelin, sure. But the TOWs are cheaper and can't be jammed at all. And the TOW missiles have top attack mode. So it doesn't really matter how modern the tank is. Its thin on the top.

TOW needs fuel to move. Where's Ukraine going to get fuel with no electricity? You cannot refine oil without electricity.
 
On the other hand, as I said before, why reverse engineer when you can put bombs on existing RC/Drone, it's cheaper and quicker that way, I assume a lot of hobbyist in Ukraine can help out with that.
Well the Shahed is more military compared to the civilian RC no matter how we view them. They already using the Aliexpress drone that cost 10k to hit that oil refinery in Russia. But it didn't have a very large warhead where the Shahed does. I did read just now that the Ukrainians have developed their own long range loitering munition. Don't know if its a copy of the Shahed or their own design.
 
To the Chinese members, Catholic Americans are not citizens of the US, they are enemies of the US "that have to be kept down". Catholics are worse than 5th columnists to Anglo dominance:


The same is true with the EU, these NATO members are not allowed to surpass the US in power and influence. Putin is waging a war to destroy that Catholic organization - the EU. And the cia has known this as the enemy since the treaty of Rome.

Therefore the only conclusion is China is doing to the EU what Trump wanted to do to China - which is eliminate it. China is part of the cia plan to destroy Europe, as American Trumpers were part of the cia plot to destroy China.

Louis Wirth was working for the WASP Washington 'Government" seeking how to destroy White Catholic Europeans in the US because White Catholics globally were a threat, read more about this in "American Freedom and Catholic Power" book, a best selling book among the WASP 'elites'. White Catholics in Europe unified European nations to be an economic rival and competition to US dominance and EU politically is as greater threat to Anglo dominance.

This war is the US "government" final solution to Europe, planned since the 1950s, as documented in "US government" document after "US government" document.

So China has joined with the US/UK to destroy the ethnic groups in Europe that are enemies of the US. Remember the Americans in, Russia out and GERMANY DOWN. Germany is one of the hated ethnic groups of Europe, along with Catholic Poles, Italians, Irish. Now that Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union has cia agents in the Kremlin, there is no need to have Russia out of Europe. Russia is being used to destroy the Anglo enemy - EU.

Boris Yeltsin had entourage of ‘hundreds’ of CIA agents who instructed him how to run Russia, claims former parliamentary speaker​


he first Russian president, Boris Yeltsin, was surrounded by “hundreds” of CIA agents who told him what to do throughout his tenure as leader. That’s according to Ruslan Khasbulatov, the former chairman of Russia’s parliament.

Speaking to radio station Govorit Moskva, Khasbulatov claimed Yeltsin’s entourage was full of Americans. In 1996, he was elected to his leadership post with Washington’s help, it has been alleged, and it is still not yet known to what extent the US remained the voice in his ear throughout his presidency.

“There must have been a hundred [CIA employees],” Khasbulatov said. “They determined everything.” He also added that, after winning the presidential election, Yeltsin would send security officials and heads of departments to the US so the Americans could “examine them” and “give conclusions.”

Khasbulatov’s statement comes after former Russian vice president Alexander Rutskoy told online outlet Lenta that 12 full-time employees of the CIA helped carry out the landmark Yeltsin-Gaidar market reforms, systematically dismantling the centrally planned economic system and leading the country into shock capitalism. Rutskoy also claimed that, on one significant occasion, he overheard Yeltsin speaking to a stranger with a foreign accent.

However, according to Khasbulatov, everyone knew about Rutskoy’s links to the US, and American officials even influenced the former president to replace a considerable number of his appointees.

“On the whole, Rutskoy is absolutely right – Yeltsin was advised by foreigners,” he continued. “There is no secret here, and a great number of people know about it. I don’t have any detective stories about eavesdropping, but, in general, it’s well known. Yeltsin used to confer very closely on all personnel matters with foreign representatives.”

Yeltsin left office in 1999, but not before creating a hyper-presidential system, taking power away from a hostile parliament, and removing almost all checks and balances. This move was supported by Washington, which hoped to keep the Communist Party out of power in the newly formed Russian state.

Nowadays, Yeltsin has a mixed legacy, with many Russians believing he was a drunkard who sold the country to Western capitalists. However, abroad, he has been compared to revolutionaries such as South Africa's Nelson Mandela, Poland’s Lech Wałęsa, and Czechoslovakia’s Václav Havel, with former US president Bill Clinton even having likened him to Abraham Lincoln.

This is funny stuff. It amazes me you have this amount of time to look at these theories, and worse inconsiderate enough to post it here: Biden is catholic. Kennedy was catholic. WTF are you smoking these days?
 
Well the Shahed is more military compared to the civilian RC no matter how we view them. They already using the Aliexpress drone that cost 10k to hit that oil refinery in Russia. But it didn't have a very large warhead where the Shahed does. I did read just now that the Ukrainians have developed their own long range loitering munition. Don't know if its a copy of the Shahed or their own design.

Such drones are not particularly difficult to make. You can buy the components on Ali Express and assemble them yourself.


 
Defenses are harder to crack than an offense, it would be incredibly risky to just blindly charge into Russian Artilleries and the Ukrainian cost will be too high. All Ukraine has to is keep making the Russian pay a heavy price for the misadventure and grind the Russians down.


Yep just like Germany and Vietnam have gone down the drain.
You heard about the Marshall Plan for Germany's recovery? Pls research it and see who paid for it.
US is Vietnam's largest trading partner. Both are benefiting from largesse after unfortunately being bombed to smithereens.

A blind man (Russia) is not going to be able to pull somebody else going down the drain.

So please don't use selective historical facts.
 
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