Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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Rheinmetall is already producing more shells per month than the entire US industry
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Total bilateral aid to Ukraine by donor & type 2024 | Statista
How much has each country given to Ukraine? The U.S. provided the highest bilateral aid to Ukraine as of June 2024, at over 67 billion euros.www.statista.com
Europe has given more in total then the USA.
With a 20% smaller economy.
While having budgetted away much of their military stocks…as opposed to USA where its just sitting in the sierra desert.
As such it is sending much larger % of their military stock.
Usa:
135 out of 6500 Bradleys
31 out of 5000 Abrams
0 out of 12.000 combat aircraft.
Its small change. Peanuts for America.
Also lets not forget europe were always the “peace through trade” idealists with Russia.
While USA never stopped with the “red scare”. That is…until Russia actually attacked an european democratic ally of USA…then for the Republicans its time to throw that ally, and the rest of europe..under the bus.
France? Well they are equally shit.
But atleast France never pretends to be the “arsenal of democracy and freedom”
US could develop Ukrainian armed forces at a much faster pace but Americans have a soft corner for Russians deep down. This war should be concluded before next Presidential Election but Joe Biden is sleeping.
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You hit the nail on the head, Europe stopped caring about the Russian threat. So no matter the amount of money they give they don’t have the weapons to give.Total bilateral aid to Ukraine by donor & type 2024 | Statista
How much has each country given to Ukraine? The U.S. provided the highest bilateral aid to Ukraine as of June 2024, at over 67 billion euros.
Europe has given more in total then the USA.
With a 20% smaller economy.
While having budgetted away much of their military stocks…as opposed to USA where its just sitting in the sierra desert.
As such it is sending much larger % of their military stock.
Usa:
135 out of 6500 Bradleys
31 out of 5000 Abrams
0 out of 12.000 combat aircraft.
Its small change. Peanuts for America.
Also lets not forget europe were always the “peace through trade” idealists with Russia.
While USA never stopped with the “red scare”. That is…until Russia actually attacked an european democratic ally of USA…then for the Republicans its time to throw that ally, and the rest of europe..under the bus.
France? Well they are equally shit.
But atleast France never pretends to be the “arsenal of democracy and freedom”
Time and time I’ve said this is Europe’s mess not America’s so stop crying and lay the blame where it belongs (at the feet of Europe)
Europeans can’t even except blame and they once again expect Americans to rescue them, gee I wonder why maga republicans don’t want to fund this fiasco any longer
Look at the polling, the majority of Americans agree
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Ukrainian Patriot system is a much better configuration than previously admitted.
www.thedrive.com
Ukrainians have received the best-in-class PAC-3 MSE interceptors as well.
Ukraninian Patriot systems have shot down virtually anything within range. These kills includes Russian jet fighters, Russian helicopters, Russian and Iranian drones, Russian cruise missiles, and Russian quasi-ballistic missiles including hypersonic types.
Machine being excellent no doubt, quality of men is also a factor. Ukrainian men have done a good job with Patriot systems.
We Now Know The Types Of Patriot Missiles Being Used In Ukraine
The US Army has confirmed sending five different types of missiles to Ukraine for its Patriot systems, including the highly capable PAC-3 MSE.
www.thedrive.com
Ukrainians have received the best-in-class PAC-3 MSE interceptors as well.
Ukraninian Patriot systems have shot down virtually anything within range. These kills includes Russian jet fighters, Russian helicopters, Russian and Iranian drones, Russian cruise missiles, and Russian quasi-ballistic missiles including hypersonic types.
Machine being excellent no doubt, quality of men is also a factor. Ukrainian men have done a good job with Patriot systems.
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Ridiculous
Invading a neighbor then opening a supermarket selling all made in China merchandise.
What next?
Opening a zoo with imported Chinese panda?
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Game changer: repeated attacks inside Russia (ports on Black Sea, a bomber base, and Moscow) all were supposed to be Russia's humiliating red lines that would never be crossed and now pretty much crossed several times a week. Not every weapon to bear will have the intended effect.
Look at the fame Wagner: out on their b**ts, in a foreign country after turning on its own military. No Bradley or Leopard has done that has it?
An upgraded airframe from late 70s purchase, upgraded most recently likely 15 years ago, lets see how it matches against Russia. Ultimately it will be weapon deployment, tactics, training, and OODA loop that will determine if they prevail or lose to Russian air
On a bad day, Philly is likely a better place than where 50% of Russians live
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I would welcome this engagement: at the rate Ka-52s are being shout out of the sky for destroying a tank or a bradley, let them keep coming as the Ka-52 dwindles
5% of population is proportionally way less than WW2 losses, when most of them were working age men. If it would be just the silo based missiles, it's will be far less.
I am by no means encouraged by that, but leadership must evaluate nuclear scenarios with brevity. A coordinated launch gives the best bang for buck, and for anything less, Russia obviously loses due to reasons I stated above.
"A limited nuclear attack" scenarios over which Western think tankers salivate so much, where Russia nukes a capital of a minor NATO country as a statement of determination, will just mean that the West will finally take Russia seriously: SWIFT will be cut off for sure, at least some military response will be there, and at least trade will be finally severed, if not blockaded.
I don't believe the current white house will have balls to pressure Beijing into "you are with us, or against us" even in that scenario, but even that way, many critical commodities would be denied. Imagine Russia without rubber to make tires. While Russia has no shortage of oil to make tires from, all the chemistry for it is coming from the West, not China.
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Are you kidding me?
1: America actively opposed too much european-russian integration. As such it partly made sure the “threat” remained.
2: America wants europe to buy their weapons at a premium…but otherwise remain completely dependant and subservient. Including granting America massive military bases which are mostly for american interest and power projection.
too much “united states of europe”, own european defence industry or cooperation???….it was all heavily opposed and underminded by America.
Rebooting the U.S.-EU Defense Relationship
President Biden has come into office determined to reboot the U.S.-EU relationship after four years of tension between Washington and Brussels. The Biden administration acknowledges that the European Union is …
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3: as a return for “buying american” and handing out military bases for american use, USA always claimed to be the “arsenal of democracy”. To “defend its european allies”.
This 180 at a moment of need is a complete stab in the back. Is this how you treat your allies?
So no…USA is elbow deep in this mess and a major cause of european lagging behind in its own independant defence.
Russian army is being completely depleted of its soviet stock and with polish and german re-armament it really is not a large threat so we do not need to be “rescued”.
What we do hope to avoid is russia turning into a larger north korea…with a new cold war, asymmetrical warfare, and decades of military spending on both sides.
And for ukraine (your ally) to not to be crushed underfoot.
What would be needed to avoid this is America sending more then 1% of its military stocks….
But no…its throw your allies under the bus time.
Cause they are short sighted troglodytes heavily infested/puppeteered by Putin.
This is their once in a century chance to tackle their age old “red scare” for small change and a sprinkle of their military stock.
But no. Lets hide in your cave, have russia become a north korean like gas station/colony for China and lose your european allies to boot.
Oh and ofcourse you are not really “saving mah tax money”. You will spend it on your military (sitting in the american desert), or more trillions for tax cuts on the rich.
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The question is who will die first?
S300, S400 are said have operational range of 300-400km. The Russians must move the vehicles closer to the front. Which in turn will become targets by F16s potential long range missiles.
