Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[Viet]

where do you get these funny ideas?

Very simple
Night vision gears are piece of hightec, optoelectronics very expensive. That’s well known in western military that Russia arny lacks of.
Leopards 2 is equipped with a night vision gear, a laser target pointer, they can target enemy tanks at 5 km away. Ukraine is on offensive loss is expected. They can reduce own casualties by night fights.

 

[sammuel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670521054156972036

Sprinter isn't a good source on anything considering he's proven to have purposefully spread false information.

Indeed , it is fake , they used the same photo a year ago :

Пленные украинские солдаты не хотят возвращаться на Украину | Интернет — обозрение Русский Дозор

Пленные украинские солдаты не хотят возвращаться на Украину | Интернет — обозрение Русский Дозор

rusdozor.ru

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670549694764793856

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670495216187351041

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670494863362539520

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670521054156972036

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670559752449916928

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670521054156972036

https://twitter.com/x/status/1670559782388858883

So much for the much vaunted "counteroffensives". It is turning out to be a reverse "counteroffensives". The Ukrainians suffered heavy losses with not much to show for all of those losses.

 

[mulj]

Offensive is stalled, no worthy operational gains and they stuck on initial primary directions due stiff resistance, now they widened attacks along frontlines with some minimal teritorial gains but cost is heavy and they still can not deepen the axis of attacks which further exposes their formations to artillery and air attacks.
Tokmak was main goal to be captured and it seems now unrealistic one,

 

[That Guy]

So much for the much vaunted "counteroffensives". It is turning out to be a reverse "counteroffensives". The Ukrainians suffered heavy losses with not much to show for all of those losses.

Indeed , it is fake , they used the same photo a year ago :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fy7iC4_XoAUY_Mq?format=jpg&name=small

Пленные украинские солдаты не хотят возвращаться на Украину | Интернет — обозрение Русский Дозор

Пленные украинские солдаты не хотят возвращаться на Украину | Интернет — обозрение Русский Дозор

rusdozor.ru

In other words, Sprinter is fake news confirmed and people would have to be complete morons to take him seriously.

 

[jhungary]

Offensive is stalled, no worthy operational gains and they stuck on initial primary directions due stiff resistance, now they widened attacks along frontlines with some minimal teritorial gains but cost is heavy and they still can not deepen the axis of attacks which further exposes their formations to artillery and air attacks.
Tokmak was main goal to be captured and it seems now unrealistic one,

Counter offensive is not stall, well, it's not even 2 weeks old, most would suggest the main event has not yet happened yet.

You cannot push everything at once on the same line your enemy is defending, Ukraine is putting pressure on Russia to throw in their own reserve first, that's what the 3 attack direction is going, the main thing the Ukrainian is trying to do is to have Russia commit their reserve early and then attack elsewhere with the main force.

This will not happen until probably July. This is the beginning of the counter offensive. there are still many weeks to go.

 

[mulj]

Counter offensive is not stall, well, it's not even 2 weeks old, most would suggest the main event has not yet happened yet.

You cannot push everything at once on the same line your enemy is defending, Ukraine is putting pressure on Russia to throw in their own reserve first, that's what the 3 attack direction is going, the main thing the Ukrainian is trying to do is to have Russia commit their reserve early and then attack elsewhere with the main force.

This will not happen until probably July. This is the beginning of the counter offensive. there are still many weeks to go.

They do not need to commit any reserves until the UAF reach main defense lines which is not foreseeable for now. It seem that russians cope rather successfully with their current forces their assault choppers are wrecking havoc among ukrainian spearheads, on the other hand UAF has tactical successes when they engage enemy infantry.

 

[jhungary]

In other words, Sprinter is fake news confirmed and people would have to be complete morons to take him seriously.

Well, Ukrainian are rotating unit from frontline for training as we speak, this is going to draw out for a long time.

They do not need to commit any reserves until the UAF reach main defense lines which is not foreseeable for now. It seem that russians cope rather successfully with their current forces their assault choppers are wrecking havoc among ukrainian spearheads, on the other hand UAF has tactical successes when they engage enemy infantry.

Again, this is just 12 days (or 14 depends on when do you start counting) they don't need to hit Russian line now, in fact, you actually don't want to, you want to draw Russian up first, because the Russian would need to guess which way you are attacking. Ukraine, as an attacker, has the liberty to choose when and where they will launch their strike. Which mean it's ALMOST certain Russia would have to put reserve in first, the question is when.

On the other hand, unlike the Russian offensive which actually did failed after 5 months (Dec 2022 - May 2023) Russia is losing ground to the Ukrainian (I think they rolled back 8 village now) which mean the Russian is not really coping that well, look at the situation in reverse back when Russia is attacking, by day 12 back in Dec 2022, Ukraine had not lose one village at the same timeline, they started to lose ground back in March 2023.

 

[mulj]

Well, Ukrainian are rotating unit from frontline for training as we speak, this is going to drawn out for a long time.




Again, this is just 12 days (or 14 depends on when do you start counting) they don't need to hit Russian line now, in fact, you actually don't want to, you want to draw Russian up first, because the Russian would need to guess which way you are attacking. Ukraine, as an attacker, has the liberty to choose when and where they will launch their strike. Which mean it's ALMOST certain Russia would have to put reserve in first, the question is when.

On the other hand, unlike the Russian offensive which actually did failed after 5 months (Dec 2022 - May 2023) Russia is losing ground to the Ukrainian (I think they rolled back 8 village now) which mean the Russian is not really coping that well, look at the situation in reverse back when Russia is attacking, by day 12 back in Dec 2022, Ukraine had not lose one village at the same timeline, they started to lose ground back in March 2023.

at this point ground simbolic gains are irrelevant and for UAF is not good optics to be compared with russians, different setups, actually it looks rather bad if they come into attrition mode.

 

[jhungary]

at this point ground simbolic gains are irrelevant and for UAF is not good optics to be compared with russians, different setups, actually it looks rather bad if they come into attrition mode.

What kind of optic you want to get with a 12 day old offensive? It's not 120 days on this offensive and this is all the Ukrainian can show for, unlike the Russian.....

Strange it comes from people like you, you expect the Russian to grind on 4 months after the offensive when they still can't take Bakhmut, but you expect immediate result here? 12 days passed and you already passed judgement.....

You probably need to look back what you yourself said about Russian offensive back in April.......

 

[ZeGerman]

So much for the much vaunted "counteroffensives". It is turning out to be a reverse "counteroffensives". The Ukrainians suffered heavy losses with not much to show for all of those losses.

Stop embarrassing yourself like you did around kharkiv and kherson counter-offensives.
You jumped to early conclusions and big claims there as well….
Based on almost nothing but some twitter propaganda from the far corners of the worldwide web.

both sides have not committed bulk of their army/reserves yet. This is all still the early stage of the offensive with ukraine pressing for weak points and trying to fix russian troops.

 

[mulj]

What kind of optic you want to get with a 12 day old offensive? It's not 120 days on this offensive and this is all the Ukrainian can show for, unlike the Russian.....

Strange it comes from people like you, you expect the Russian to grind on 4 months after the offensive when they still can't take Bakhmut, but you expect immediate result here? 12 days passed and you already passed judgement.....

You probably need to look back what you yourself said about Russian offensive back in April.......

They do not have that amount of time considering how much resources they have on disposal.

More strange is from people like you that russian meat grinder offensive tactics as something as parameter of success measurement for UAF to be followed up.

By my reasoning that is silly and if adopted as norm by UAF it will labor bleach results.

 

[The SC]

The Battle Is Coming To Its Climax. Breakdown Is Coming. Military Summary And Analysis 2023.06.19​

 

[jhungary]

They do not have that amount of time considering how much resources they have on disposal.

More strange is from people like you that russian meat grinder offensive tactics as something as parameter of success measurement for UAF to be followed up.

By my reasoning that is silly and if adopted as norm by UAF it will labor bleach results.

The Ukrainian have all the time they want as long as they did not commit anything to the battle, they aren't going anywhere, that's their country. Russia on the other hand, is the one that have to constantly supplying the frontline from Russia, they don't enjoy the same support the Ukrainian have.

I never said Ukrainian offensive is a success, I said how you know it stalled when it is still less than 2 weeks old? No one knows how this is going to play out, I trained with Battlefield Tactics, and I don't even know how this is going to play out, yet you claim this is "Bad Optics" and the offensive is "stalled"

Maybe you know something we didn't?

On the other hand, Russian offensive is a foregone conclusion, it's started 5 months ago, this is not the same optics than the current Ukrainian counter offensive you know. All I can say is, by this time, the Ukrainian offensive have lead to more result than the Russian offensive, as I said before, Ukraine already had captured more land than the previous 5 months by the Russian, and that is a fact, not a speculation.