Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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This is a Ukrainian source making such ludicrous claims.
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Russian special forces unit destroyed
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The US itself does not want to supply F-16s because it is afraid that things will escalate. However, the US is fine with other European countries sending the F-16s to Ukraine. I do understand the US, they naturally hope to sell new defence equipment to European countries. According to the EU, the taxpayer thinks it's fine to fund the US.
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So Russia should be allowed to colonize any country it wants to?
Russia got away with colonizing parts of Georgia in 2008 and chose to fight a war at NATO's doorstep this time. Very wise of Russian leadership.
Russia is also eyeing Moldova. Where does this stop?
The world had supposedly moved from colonization practices but Russia shows otherwise.
Sorry but not everybody is a coward. Some will fight.
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The US/NATO should first stop poking its nose in Ukraine.
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Same applies to Russia.
Read this post:
Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
Its a bit too late for that: other than may be giving tactical nuclear weapons, everything from high-end SAMs, armor, and now even long range air to surface missiles supplied. I don't think Russia is showing up to the party with any more retaliation
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So it is a two way street. You agree.
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There is a difference between sending diplomats to a country and an army to a country.
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There are always consequences to actions. The US/NATO should have known better. Russia won't sit idle.
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Should Ukraine be punished for seeking a brighter future with the West? Yes or no?
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Do you even understand how the war started? Don't give me one-liners like these and check the link I shared with you in good faith.
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The West should stop militarising Ukraine.
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Why?
Post a good reason for a change.
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RECAP for anybody who doesn't know how this war started.
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Ukrainian political crisis began in 2013 when then Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych rejected EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and opted for Customs Union of Russia instead. This decision did not sit well with a part of Ukrainian population and protests broke out:
Thousands Demand Resignation of Ukraine Leader (Published 2013)
The largest showing of fury in 11 days over President Viktor F. Yanukovich’s refusal to sign political and trade accords with the European Union came as signs of fissure emerged within the government.
A 5-Minute Guide to Understanding Ukraine’s Euromaidan Protests
Amid ongoing conflict, Ukraine’s civil society is working hard to enable reforms; support independent, accurate reporting; and help thousands of displaced people.
www.opensocietyfoundations.org
Yanukovych ordered crack down on the protestors but the movement grew to such extent that he chose to flee to Russia.
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Yanukovych convinced Russia to intervene and Russian forces annexed Crimea as well as engineered a separatist movement in Donbas in 2014:
2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine - Wikipedia
Bellingcat Investigation - Russia's Path(s) to War - bellingcat
Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)Full report here. The extent of Russia’s role in the ongoing conflict in Eastern Ukraine has yet to be determined. Thus far, Russia denies any direct involvement in the war. However, most Western nations do not share Russia’s position and assume that...
www.bellingcat.com
Russia's War in Ukraine: The Medals and Treacherous Numbers - bellingcat
Translations:English (UK)Русский (Россия)The full report can be downloaded here The war in eastern Ukraine is known under multiple names; most often formulations similar to Ukrainian civil war or Ukrainian conflict are still used to describe the war. The implied characteristic as solely...
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Ukraine's ex-president Viktor Yanukovych found guilty of treason | Viktor Yanukovych | The Guardian
Exiled former leader sentenced to 13 years’ jail over 2014 protests and Russian invasion
On the other hand, it is true that the American Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland was in contact with Ukrainian politicians and her leaked call suggests that she was involved in suggesting who is acceptable in the new political setup of Ukraine:
Of-course, Russia took advantage of this controversial call to build its own narrative and make its moves in Ukraine.
The next Ukrainian President Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko accepted EU-Ukraine Association Agreement and sought to modernize Ukrainian armed forces in the face of Russian intervention in Crimea and Donbas:
Poroshenko Signs EU-Ukraine Association Agreement
Ukraine today signed an association agreement with the European Union. Steven Pifer takes a look at what the agreement means for three of the involved actors: Ukraine, the European Union, and Russia.
www.brookings.edu
Ukraine Military Seeks to Modernize Past Soviet Era
WASHINGTON — As Ukraine wars with Russian-backed separatists in its east, it faces an internal battle, between military reformers and who seek to modernize the largely Soviet-era technology and the realities of bureaucracy, pervasive corruption, ar
www.defensenews.com
Petro Poroshenko: Ukraine is fighting on two fronts – one military, the other for reform - Portal - www.coe.int
Parliamentary Assembly Session Strasbourg 11 October 2017
Ukrainian Military Modernization and Minsk Peace Process Implications
Recent Ukrainian military exercises highlight not only a more capable force but a possible obstacle to peace
medium.com
Poroshenko was making the right calls for the country in the context of its national interests but corruption charges led to his defeat in the Ukrainian Presidential Elections held in 2019:
Comedian wins landslide victory in Ukrainian presidential election
Petro Poroshenko concedes defeat as Volodymyr Zelenskiy takes over 70% of votes, promising: ‘I won’t mess up’
Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine on the other hand:
Feeding the Bear: A Closer Look at Russian Army Logistics and the Fait Accompli - War on the Rocks
Editor's note: Don't miss our comprehensive guide to Russia's war against Ukraine. Russia’s military buildup along the border with Ukraine has
warontherocks.com
How Russia Has Increased Its Military Buildup (Published 2022)
Russia has continued to mass forces on the Ukrainian border, with troops now surrounding the country on all sides, including in Belarus and Transnistria, a Russian-backed breakaway region of Moldova.
President Vladimir Putin complained that those in the WEST lie but Russia also lied when questioned on the purpose of its military buildup:
Post in thread 'Putin slams West’s ‘empire of lies’' https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/putin-slams-wests-empire-of-lies.736589/post-13595966
How Putin made himself Maidan-proof by waging war on Ukraine
Since 2014, the conflict in Ukraine has been tightly linked to Putin’s fear of an opposition-led challenge to his rule.
Post in thread 'Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2' https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russia-ukraine-war-news-and-developments-part-2.746450/post-14094949
But Poroshenko's reforms seem to have paid off:
In 2014, the ‘decrepit’ Ukrainian army hit the refresh button. Eight years later, it’s paying off
Though the Russian army dwarfs the strength of the Ukrainian army, the underdog has managed to resist during the early days of the Russian invasion. Military reforms are part of the reason.
theconversation.com
Post in thread 'Russia is inexperienced in how to deal with NATO - They should learn from Af-Pak - Patience and let fatigue get the beast' https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/russ...et-fatigue-get-the-beast.767579/post-14366061
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What Syria and Ukraine had in common?
An old school leadership that refused to acknowledge shift in Public opinion, chose to suppress calls for change from within the country, and sought foreign support when local measures to stop protests failed.
Yanukovych is now seen as nothing more than a Russian stooge who prioritized Russian interests over Ukrainian interests. He cannot set foot in his country again.
Assad administration chose to bomb Syrians who desired change with support of foreign powers such as Iran and Russia when its rule was under threat. Much of the Syria is reduced into a pile of rubble consequently.
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