Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[That Guy]

Before you begin your usual tirade that I've noticed on this thread, I have no fanboy allegiances. I don't care, I'm just an observer of the war in Ukraine. I find it amusing that both pro-US/NATO/West and pro-Russian fanboys are exactly the same on this thread, two sides of the same coin - downplay every event by the other side, but start jumping up and down at the very mere suggestion of a positive outcome for their side. Truth is always the first casualty in any war, and both sides (West/Russia) have done a great job at throttling it.

Yes I know, the Patriot is a system. Does the evidence suggest at least the launchers were hit by something? Yes. Does the evidence suggest this was intentional targeting? Yes, given the fact there were multiple explosions on the Patriot site, as well as what appears to be an entire battery of launchers firing most if not all of its missiles at potential incoming targets. Does this change anything in the outcome of the war? No, not in the slightest. Does this event give plenty of material to flame fanboy arguments on forums? Yes, absolutely.

Carry on with your conditioning.

Tirade? LMAO

Way to project. I don't go on tirades, I state facts, and my opponents go on tirades.

By the way, I wasn't even being rude to you, but since you wanna be rude to me, that's how i will treat you

You're clearly a Russian fanboy, don't deny it. I've gone back and checked your comments in this thread. Almost exclusively pro-Russia.

For all your accusations of me going on a tirade, you're literally doing that right now.

Like I said before, if only the battery was damaged, it's probably fine and easily replaceable. The battery is the easiest part to replace, as it's pretty much a basic launcher.

 

[Deino]

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And now all that's left is Deino saying: -I don't like garlic soup, garlic soup is "hate speech"

The West is a very successful fusion of Asylum, Kindergarten and World Championship of Narcissism

But again similar to other Putinists ... you seem to prefer to live quite save and comfortable is the West you don't like, criticise - and surely a lot of this is justified the evil Western narcissism and decadence, while such is not possible in the beloved East and none of the rights you enjoy here is granted by Russia not even for its own citizens.

Really strange ...

 

[That Guy]

About as credible as Russian claims. Still no pictures?

It makes sense, especially if only the battery was damaged/destroyed. The system itself is probably just fine.

That doesn't need pictures Because it's corroborated with Russia's story, and fits how the Patriot system works.

Who replaced William Perry (-1997)

well

it turns out that the son of a Russian

William Cohen - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

In the West, everyone prefers to stay within the Collective Fantasies and it is practically impossible to have an adult conversation.

The funniest thing that has happened to me in a forum is when a Spanish Fascist ... enthusiastic about Fascism inspired by Old Testament or 'kosher' Fascism ... told me angrily: -"vete a Israel" ("go to Israel")

And now all that's left is Deino saying: -I don't like garlic soup, garlic soup is "hate speech"

The West is a very successful fusion of Asylum, Kindergarten and World Championship of Narcissism

I mean, garlic soup may not be hate speech but it is a crime against humanity. Should be classified under torture in the Geneva conventions.

 

[That Guy]

Remember Russians are preparing 1500 New T90 tanks + 1500 WW2 tanks into modern sensors and devices.
Don't get high hopes, remember in history how Russians defeated each and every invader.
Ukr just has few NATO supplies and when those supplies drain out, watch how Ukr falls fast.

Russia defeating each and every invader is a myth. They've been famously incompetent at war. Even world War 2 was only won by the Russians because the Americans gave them a bunch of weapons and ammo.

Russia having to even go down to the ww2 stock is bad news, because it means Russia cannot replenish its modern stock quickly enough. There's also no way that Russia commits its entire fleet of tanks to the invasion because it still needs enough for any potential aggression from within Russian borders (whether foreign or seperatist).

Russia has failed to stop Ukraine from gaining Nato supplies.

Ukraine also has a shit ton of nato weapons systems and ammo. Don't know what gave you the idea they don't. An explosion in a building with no evidence of what happened isn't evidence by the way.

How things have changed. Ukraine will get F16. It’s not if but when.

UK, Netherlands are working to procure F-16 fighters for Ukraine, Downing Street says | CNN

Britain and the Netherlands are working on an “international coalition” to help Ukraine procure F-16 fighter jets that Kyiv says are vital to its defense as Russia ramps up its aerial strikes, a spokesperson for UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said Tuesday.

amp.cnn.com

Once that happens, AIM-120s on f-16 blk50/52s/modernized will pretty much outrange any Russian fighter, and give Ukraine fire and forget capabilities.

We know this because that's what happened over Kashmir in 2019 where Pakistani F-16s outranged Indian Sukhoi-30MKIs (essentially as good as, if not better than Su-35s).

At that point Russia won't stand much of a change.

 

[K_Bin_W]

Yes definitely
its called Defcon level 5 Alert nation wide.

Defcon 25 oops I mean 5 let's do it, it's important to liberate Ukraine..

 

[F-22Raptor]

Downing of Russian missiles shows ‘profound effect’ of Ukrainians training on US systems: General​

LANPAC 2023 — Ukraine’s destruction Tuesday of six of Russia’s vaunted Kinzhal missiles is most impressive not for the proof that the American-made Patriot anti-missile system’s technology works, but for the fact that US-trained Ukrainian troops brought down the missiles, the head of US Army Pacific told reporters here.

“We have advanced that [Patriot] capability in ways that are profound,” Gen. Charles Flynn told Breaking Defense when asked about the shootdowns. “And so, that system, which was provided to the Ukrainian forces, and then a group of Ukrainian soldiers were trained on that system. I guess I take the question in a bit of a different way and say I think about the value of training forces that never previously had a capability like that and then we provide that capability to them. And they’re able to conduct an intercept in that way. To me that’s that’s the bigger issue.”

Flynn said the training of the Ukrainian troops on Patriots “has a profound effect on the applications of those weapons systems and, maybe more importantly, how you defend and what you’re defending.”

Downing of Russian missiles shows 'profound effect' of Ukrainians training on US systems: General - Breaking Defense

"I think about the value of training forces that never previously had a capability like that and then we provide that capability to them. And they're able to conduct an intercept in that way," Gen. Charles Flynn said. "To me that's that's the bigger issue."

breakingdefense.com

 

[Iñigo]

This is the infantile dual logic: I don't like garlic soup and therefore garlic soup is "Putinist"

you have no imagination to insult, you insult like a little girl.

You can't get it through your head that I don't like slaughter.

The West Kindergarten

The Spanish fascist told me: "go to Israel", and now this one tells me: go to Russia.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658870181374853128

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658865569096138754

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658853944620204041

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658806071815815169

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658745389757915136

 

[Iñigo]

The lackeys

The lackeys tell us:

the Chiefs of the West have the right to create great slaughters in the borders of our glorious Empire ...

... because they do not make slaughters among their Euro-American-Japan-Australian-Japan-Korean-citizens.

And if you do not like our massacres: go away from here.

Guatemalan genocide - Wikipedia

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[TopGun786]

No one knows it better than you. Hope the invaders get destroyed completely.

Facts are simple , a large country invades a much smaller nation inorder to conqer it.

A patriot missile costs 5+ million usd.
At least 30 were fired in a very short time.
There could be 7 kinzhals but most of them were cheap 20k usd drones.
2,3 more such attacks from Russia and patriot batteries will run out of juice.
I wonder all this tax money will ever be returned. Don't think Ukraine is getting these absolutely free.
In the end it's Ukraine and her civilians who are suffering most.

 

[Iñigo]

Worst of all, Deino is right:

-you live well, what does it matter if our bosses create a tragedy here and another there in distant lands, a few hundred thousand here and another hundreds of thousands there sent to hell

(Yes, I honestly think that I should focus my mind on my next sailboat.)

 

[kingQamaR]

No one knows it better than you. Hope the invaders get destroyed completely.


A patriot missile costs 5+ million usd.
At least 30 were fired in a very short time.
There could be 7 kinzhals but most of them were cheap 20k usd drones.
2,3 more such attacks from Russia and patriot batteries will run out of juice.
I wonder all this tax money will ever be returned. Don't think Ukraine is getting these absolutely free.
In the end it's Ukraine and her civilians who are suffering most.

Patriot missiles are approximately $3-5 million, so the cost of those would be $96 million if they did fire 32, that’s a lot of tax payers money spent just there . Patriot system alone cost $1 billion dollars wow …

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658897281796505603

 

[Ali_Baba]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658897281796505603

Another Russian lie put to bed ( this can be full time job for someone given how often Russia lies )...

 

[aziqbal]

Ukrani Nazi supported UKraine in war with Iraq

Ukrani Nazi supports Israel

so Bakhmut must fall

https://twitter.com/x/status/1658901999876702215