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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Meengla said:
I have seen multiple Western analyst saying if Russia goes down then China knows that 'China is next'.
So far the Chinese have been very very carefully supporting Russia by keeping the trade going and maybe export some weapons/ammos; the Chinese fear enhanced Western sanctions which would really hurt China (and the West).
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But those same sanctions gave China a great backdoor to actually making more money, while evading the negative (and dwindling ) effects of US sanctions- capturing and controlling whole state markets. China has that with Pakistan now, and it got that to a much larger extent now with Russia- why didnty 90% of western countries actually leave the Russian market even after saying they would, on the orders of their western govts? because the Russian market is very lucrative to control and trade with, and China just captured a large part of it, while using local currencies and state companies to do biz with Russia.

US sanctions are weak against states with oil, resources or and well built economic systems.
 
925boy said:
But those same sanctions gave China a great backdoor to actually making more money, while evading the negative (and dwindling ) effects of US sanctions- capturing and controlling whole state markets. China has that with Pakistan now, and it got that to a much larger extent now with Russia- why didnty 90% of western countries actually leave the Russian market even after saying they would, on the orders of their western govts? because the Russian market is very lucrative to control and trade with, and China just captured a large part of it, while using local currencies and state companies to do biz with Russia.

US sanctions are weak against states with oil, resources or and well built economic systems.
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Just because China has greater access to the Russian market in the last 12+ months doesn't mean China is immune to the catastrophic effects of any combined American-West-American-allies sanctions. Why would the Chinese gains in 12+ months in Russia outweigh decades of business interests and investments in the West?? There is NOTHING Russia provides via trade/knowledge transfer/business opportunities that would outweigh what's been provided by the Chinese investments/engagement with the West. And China knows that. And that's why China is very very carefully helping Russia while not endangering China's own interests.

But the geopolitics is rapidly changing and it should not be a surprise. Wars are not only fought by Generals and Privates. But war is also fought in politicians' brains and some primitive human instincts make humans to make quicker decisions when there is a prolonged hot war in regions of importance to their interests. And so we see the geopolitics very quickly moving due to the Ukraine-Russia war. What PDF had been talking about for a long time is happening in front of our eyes!!

America is a little bit taken aback by the recent events. But China is slowly moving its own pawns in the Middle East and elsewhere--but the Middle East is the most important region so China is focusing there.

BTW, an outright trade war between the West and China would hurt all really really badly. Both sides are trying to avoid that due to huge domestic political repercussions. After all, the number TWO job of a politician is to hold on to power. We all know what is the number ONE job is!
 
ZeGerman said:
feb 2022: we are going to take Kiev in a week
Feb 2023: we hope to take this street in bakhmut in a week.

Russia. Lost 2000 tanks. Dusting off its T54
USA. Promised 31 tanks in autumn…out of 6000 stock.

Yes…losing terribly 🤣
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Feb 2022: "Russia will fold like a house of cards. Give it a few months."
April 2023: "Let's change the discussion."

Ukrainians are just cannon fodder for you guys. You haven't supplied any heavy weaponry. Not even a single fighter jet despite Ukrainian request. US/NATO soldiers aren't assisting Ukrainians on the ground. Instead minions like you have to log into PDF and do the bidding of your side. Don't think people are crazy. Your side made some bold claims. Now you are changing the entire discussion.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1641633328213180416

Meengla said:
Just because China has greater access to the Russian market in the last 12+ months doesn't mean China is immune to the catastrophic effects of any combined American-West-American-allies sanctions. Why would the Chinese gains in 12+ months in Russia outweigh decades of business interests and investments in the West?? There is NOTHING Russia provides via trade/knowledge transfer/business opportunities that would outweigh what's been provided by the Chinese investments/engagement with the West. And China knows that. And that's why China is very very carefully helping Russia while not endangering China's own interests.

But the geopolitics is rapidly changing and it should not be a surprise. Wars are not only fought by Generals and Privates. But war is also fought in politicians' brains and some primitive human instincts make humans to make quicker decisions when there is a prolonged hot war in regions of importance to their interests. And so we see the geopolitics very quickly moving due to the Ukraine-Russia war. What PDF had been talking about for a long time is happening in front of our eyes!!

America is a little bit taken aback by the recent events. But China is slowly moving its own pawns in the Middle East and elsewhere--but the Middle East is the most important region so China is focusing there.

BTW, an outright trade war between the West and China would hurt all really really badly. Both sides are trying to avoid that due to huge domestic political repercussions. After all, the number TWO job of a politician is to hold on to power. We all know what is the number ONE job is!
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Western people do not respect China and Chinese know this. China's neighbors are off limits. In 1950 when the US invaded North Korea China got involved. Same is true with Russia. Invade Russia and China gets involved.
 

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