Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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It would be risky for Ukraine to use tanks to attack entrenched front line Russian formations. Tanks and mechanized forces are very useful to exploit weaknesses in the Russian lines, when the artillery and infantry do a breakthrough, send in the tanks and IFVs to penetrate deep into enemy territory quickly capturing new land that would take weeks of infantry attacks and artillery softening the positions.

Tanks probably won't turn the tide of battle for Ukraine. Even with 1000. Russian forces could hit them with shoulder fired weapons. Ukraine needs to out gun and have more firepower than Russia. That means 1000s of artillery howitzers. IFVs supported by infantry and artillery could be more promising than tanks vs frontline positions.

Ukraine needs shoulder fired missiles to hold back Russian tank and mechanized advances. Ukraine needs artillery vs entrenched Russian infantry. Ukraine needs drones to target key positions. Ukraine needs tanks/IFVs to spearhead deep into Russian controlled regions and end the war quickly. Simply tanks is not enough.

Ukraine is outmanned and outgunned. 1000 Leopards is not the only solution. Artillery is the main solution.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614626664171933698

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614623475615862784

Civilians in Soledar revealed the horror they experienced under the hands of the Ukrainian forces before the town was liberated by the Russian forces.

 

[The SC]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614625342785732610

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614765949889937411

 

[Viet]

It would be risky for Ukraine to use tanks to attack entrenched front line Russian formations. Tanks and mechanized forces are very useful to exploit weaknesses in the Russian lines, when the artillery and infantry do a breakthrough, send in the tanks and IFVs to penetrate deep into enemy territory quickly capturing new land that would take weeks of infantry attacks and artillery softening the positions.

Tanks probably won't turn the tide of battle for Ukraine. Even with 1000. Russian forces could hit them with shoulder fired weapons. Ukraine needs to out gun and have more firepower than Russia. That means 1000s of artillery howitzers. IFVs supported by infantry and artillery could be more promising than tanks vs frontline positions.

Ukraine needs shoulder fired missiles to hold back Russian tank and mechanized advances. Ukraine needs artillery vs entrenched Russian infantry. Ukraine needs drones to target key positions. Ukraine needs tanks/IFVs to spearhead deep into Russian controlled regions and end the war quickly. Simply tanks is not enough.

Ukraine is outmanned and outgunned. 1000 Leopards is not the only solution. Artillery is the main solution.

Artillery is static, tank is dynamic, please learn the difference. The Wagners zombies attacking Bakhmut, Soledar by foot. They won’t survive long in trenches in harsh winter condition with no foods, no waters, no shelters. Artillery will decimate them, tanks will give them the rest.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614670223428440065

 

[zectech]

Artillery is static, tank is dynamic, please learn the difference. The Wagners zombies attacking Bakhmut, Soledar by foot. They won’t survive long in trenches in harsh winter condition with no foods, no waters, no shelters. Artillery will decimate them, tanks will give them the rest.

LOL, I am well aware of that. To breakthrough a well defended line, you need enough firepower to kill the infantry/defenders. Rushing infantry toward the line is the Russian tactic. To save on Ukrainian infantry. Drones can destroy defender positions. Artillery can destroy defender positions, allowing a breakthrough with infantry and IFVs/tanks. HIMARS can destroy key positions, especially vehicles. ATACMS can destroy depots and long range support. These artillery firepower allow the tanks and IFVs to succeed. Tanks cannot get a breakthrough with entrenched infantry, with shoulder fired missiles and artillery support, without artillery hitting and destroying the Russians 20 KM+ away. This allows the infantry to breakthrough the lines, and in open country tanks can take back huge areas of Ukraine.

Without artillery/dones/HIMARS, breakthrough is difficult, even though artillery is static.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1614634914984378368

 

[Viet]

LOL, I am well aware of that. To breakthrough a well defended line, you need enough firepower to kill the infantry/defenders. Rushing infantry toward the line is the Russian tactic. To save on Ukrainian infantry. Drones can destroy defender positions. Artillery can destroy defender positions, allowing a breakthrough with infantry and IFVs/tanks. HIMARS can destroy key positions, especially vehicles. ATACMS can destroy depots and long range support. These artillery firepower allow the tanks and IFVs to succeed. Tanks cannot get a breakthrough with entrenched infantry, with shoulder fired missiles and artillery support, without artillery hitting and destroying the Russians 20 KM+ away. This allows the infantry to breakthrough the lines, and in open country tanks can take back huge areas of Ukraine.

Without artillery/dones/HIMARS, breakthrough is difficult, even though artillery is static.

Then you are smarter than the Ukraine army, the NATO. They will listen to you and abandon tanks. Infantry can break thru? So why this war is static since months with no end of stalemate in sight?

 

[zectech]

This "release the Leopards" is political. This is about blaming Germany for the loss of Ukraine in the planned Russian offensive.

Artillery is more versatile than tanks. Tanks are limiting. Give Ukraine thousands of artillery howitzers + 100s of HIMARS + ATACMS, this would kill more Russians and destroy more Russian equipment than giving Ukraine simply more tanks with Ukrainian present military. If Ukraine had the capability to breakthrough the lines, then tanks are useful. Do Russian infantry have shoulder fired weapons on the frontlines to destroy Leopards, I would take a guess and say "yes".

 

[zectech]

Ukraine admitted the UK release of UK tanks was partly political, to put pressure on Germany to do so. To make Germany look bad for not doing enough. To have Germany be either winner with Leopards saving Ukraine, which is a gamble. Or Germany did not do enough, blame Germany for the loss of Ukraine.

Called this last week that blame Germany is the endgame agenda, since the US House does not plan more funding for Ukraine defense. And the Democrats only sent enough arms to Ukraine in 2022 to drag the war on week by week. 100s/1000s Abrams and Bradleys should have been sent in March of 2022. ATACMS by the Spring of 2022. More heavy equipment too.

Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

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[Viet]

This "release the Leopards" is political. This is about blaming Germany for the loss of Ukraine in the planned Russian offensive.

Artillery is more versatile than tanks. Tanks are limiting. Give Ukraine thousands of artillery howitzers + 100s of HIMARS + ATACMS, this would kill more Russians and destroy more Russian equipment than giving Ukraine simply more tanks with Ukrainian present military. If Ukraine had the capability to breakthrough the lines, then tanks are useful. Do Russian infantry have shoulder fired weapons on the frontlines to destroy Leopards, I would take a guess and say "yes".

Tanks are spearhead. Tanks won’t attack alone. they operate and receive protection against flank attacks by infantry, howitzer, missiles launcher, pioneers, armor forces, air defense.
That’s what NATO call „combined arms“, Germans call it “Gefecht der verbundenen Kräften“.

 

[zectech]

500-1000 tanks would be useful if Ukraine takes huge infantry losses/heavy weapons losses and breaks through the Russian lines. Ukraine lost many soldiers in Kherson. So only tanks would be dependent on Ukrainian victory in breakthroughs.

The more Russia conscripts, the more difficult things get for Ukraine.

 

[zectech]

Tanks won’t attack alone. they operate and receive protection against flank attacks by infantry, howitzer, missiles launcher, pioneers, armor forces, air defense.

Never said they would attack alone. Tanks to breakthrough the Russian army lines of defenses put them at a vulnerable position. When Russia attacks with mechanized forces/armoured forces, they are prey to Ukrainian shoulder fired weapons. Same with Leopards. Why haven't US/UK sent, in 2022, tanks in equal number demanded of Germany. Because it is not the guarantee of victory and the military brass in Washington are aware of this.

If Ukraine has enough howitzers for the entire Ukrainian front line, which they don't, to take out the positions that put tanks vulnerable, then tanks can partake in a breakthrough and breakout. Otherwise, they would be useful mostly with breakout after a breakthrough.

I have wanted Russia to throw their tanks and IFVs into the lines of Ukrainian defenses, because in 2022, Ukraine could handle that. Russia would have lost far more heavy weapons if Russia did that. My desire is Russia loses most of their heavy weapons in Ukraine. Now in 2023, Russia has more and more conscripts, with huge numbers of infantry assaulting lines with support of Russian tanks, this combination can breakthrough the Ukrainian lines, with added support of artillery too. So for Ukraine to make use of this tactic. Ukraine would need far more troops, equipment, heavy weapons, and can breakthrough. However, Ukraine has far fewer heavy weapons than Russian and far fewer troops than Russia plans for their Russian 2023 offensive.

So knowing the details, I have read, only more tanks, is risky for the thing to do in 2023 for Ukraine. Ukraine needs more than tanks, yes more tank, and much more arms.

In 2023, against modern global power armies, tanks are very successful at breakouts. Breakthroughs is another topic and has various factors.