Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607104798678974464

 

[Hack-Hook]

no comparison. Ukraine soldiers are obliged to do their duties otherwise they will stand before military court or worse. Zelinskki is the elected president and as such he has the absolute authority to command the army. I am surprised to tell you the most natural thing.

Putin in contrast is a thief. He just want to steal. Nothing else.

wasn't there complaint about Ukraine recruit unproportionally more Hungarian for the war compared to other minorities ?
why they are more obliged to participate in this war ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1606348008261652492

 

[jhungary]

People here seems to bitch about no one is providing the Russian Perspective here and afraid this is going to become a NATO circle Jerk. Let me provide some Russian Prospective

 

[khansaheeb]

I can assure you, IK wasn't taken out on ANY CIA operation. In Pakistan, it's VERY easy to blame the US for all of our problems and get people lined up trusting it. In fact that's probably the easiest way to blame America for whatever and get sympathies. What IK and his people on this very forum didn't tell you, was that he didn't do anything for 4 years, made the Chinese stop work on many projects, upset the US, EU and even Saudi Arabia, and we were in a ditch with the IMF not issuing proceeds to a loan he signed due to him not following signed commitments. The military created him and backed off when they saw all this. Result? His opponents brought a change in the assembly and took him out. But his followers blame the Army / CIA / Opposition every minutes of the day.

On Topic, the Russian President today (3rd time this week) said that he wants to start "negotiations" and is "open to them". What does that tell us about this war? That he's worn out and wants an end? Probably doesn't have enough conventional power left to go beyond another month or so? The sanctions are biting him hard and he wants to end this before his system collapses?

One thing is for sure, I believe after this war, Russia won't ever be able to start another conflict with anyone. I think it would take it another 10 years to gain lost everything, weapons, man, training, experience, economy, etc, etc.

Putin says Russia ready to negotiate over Ukraine, Kyiv voices doubts

MOSCOW (Reuters) -President Vladimir Putin said Russia was open to negotiations over the war in Ukraine and blamed Kyiv and its Western backers for a lack of talks, a stance Washington has previously dismissed as posturing amid persistent Russian attacks. "We are ready to negotiate with...

news.yahoo.com

Change in Pakistan isn't going to be pain free and it is going to come at a price. PTI was right to review relations with non productive and hostile entities and it was contradictory with some people's investments who oppose the resetting of relations for their self interests. No two ways about it is that foreign agencies are actively involved and active in Pakistan and are have moles controlling our country through big purse strings.

 

[Stranagor]

Russian President Vladimir Plans Fresh Attack On Ukraine's Kyiv | Russia Vs Ukraine War Update LIVE​

I do not know what happened to the initial secret plan?

 

[Stranagor]

That’s the big question where are russian tanks? They apparently run out of tanks. The Russians, the wagners, the Chechens they all run barefoot against Ukraine defense lines like lemmings. Otherwise with tanks they can easily overrun bar wires set up by Ukraine defense forces.

Ukrainische Soldaten bereiten Straßensperren in Bachmut vor.
(Foto: picture alliance/dpa/AP)

These are all master strokes involving publicly known secret plans by a brilliant strategist playing incredible mind games.

 

[That Guy]

Alas @Hassan Al-Somal is banned.
This thread will be another NATOist circle jerk from now on.
Congratulations to the moderators.

He was banned because he kept insulting people.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1606300584243601412

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

LOL drones for Jets... Guess the Rusky really got the short end of the stick.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607152675816079360

Engel base in Russia has been struck. Report said 3 dead, 4 injured with Tu-95 Bear bomber being damaged

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607186888829571072

 

[sammuel]

"Brothers morale not very high"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1607085505291898882

That is sick. Shows you what sort of total lack of human rights exists in Russia toady .

Reminds me that during World War II , general Patton was removed from the invasion force , for slapping a soldier , and was forced to apologies to him . Many demanded that he would be removed from office completely , only Eisenhower was not willing to give up , one of his most skilled generals :

George S. Patton slapping incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Alas @Hassan Al-Somal is banned.
This thread will be another NATOist circle jerk from now on.
Congratulations to the moderators.

He was the one of the 2 main posters, other being @The SC, who were providing information from the Russian perspective and angle.

The truth is that his dirty mouth was tolerated for much longer here , exactly because he was one of the few who provided " information from the Russian perspective " , if you want to call it that.

Seems he noticed that , and started to take advantage , not only on this thread but others.

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[Horse_Rider]

Change in Pakistan isn't going to be pain free and it is going to come at a price. PTI was right to review relations with non productive and hostile entities and it was contradictory with some people's investments who oppose the resetting of relations for their self interests. No two ways about it is that foreign agencies are actively involved and active in Pakistan and are have moles controlling our country through big purse strings.

Speaks someone sitting in UK interfering with the Pakistani state's affairs! Does the King know you are collecting his welfare and poking nose in a country's affairs that you no longer have a direct relationship with? Your name "Khansaheeb" gives up everything! Backing IK based on your ethnic brotherhood vs. caring the country? These ethnic politics won't work as Pakistan belongs to 220 million Pakistanis, not 30 million Pashtuns (and by the way, I'm a Pathan myself!), I just put Pakistan above my roots and know MAJORITY should have a right to vote whoever they want in, vs. a Pashtun to be voted in by hook or crook. IK's inspired by Hitler and Trump! He wants to use the Army as his police and wants to be above the law like Trump. Doesn't work like that.

Let's not derail the thread.

On topic: Putin again, for the 3rd time asked for "negotiations". What does everyone think? Is Russia going towards the same end like Afghanistan? It's going to eventually admit defeat? What does everyone think?

 

[alimobin memon]

That is sick. Shows you what sort of total lack of human rights exists in Russia toady .

Reminds me that during World War II , general Patton was removed from the invasion force , for slapping a soldier , and was forced to apologies to him . Many demanded that he would be removed from office completely , only Eisenhower was not willing to give up , one of his most skilled generals :

George S. Patton slapping incidents - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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The truth is that his dirty mouth was tolerated for much longer here , exactly because he was one of the few who provided " information from the Russian perspective " , if you want to call it that.

Seems he noticed that , and started to take advantage , not only on this thread but others.

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Removing someone who has different perspective. His post were about Russian side attacks on Ukrainian forces and that what made this thread balanced. Now this thread is one sided. However, the intellectuals know that reality of war is hidden. If internet is showing you footages than remember footages are footages showing one decimal point of a certain angle. Reality is that its still too early to say Russia is getting the beating.

Speaks someone sitting in UK interfering with the Pakistani state's affairs! Does the King know you are collecting his welfare and poking nose in a country's affairs that you no longer have a direct relationship with? Your name "Khansaheeb" gives up everything! Backing IK based on your ethnic brotherhood vs. caring the country? These ethnic politics won't work as Pakistan belongs to 220 million Pakistanis, not 30 million Pashtuns (and by the way, I'm a Pathan myself!), I just put Pakistan above my roots and know MAJORITY should have a right to vote whoever they want in, vs. a Pashtun to be voted in by hook or crook. IK's inspired by Hitler and Trump! He wants to use the Army as his police and wants to be above the law like Trump. Doesn't work like that.

Let's not derail the thread.

On topic: Putin again, for the 3rd time asked for "negotiations". What does everyone think? Is Russia going towards the same end like Afghanistan? It's going to eventually admit defeat? What does everyone think?

Countries like Russia always have room for negotiation because they have too much at stake. However, too early to say Russia admitting defeat but I don't see war going more than 6 months from now. We will see lesser number of attacks from Russia and then Russia going back but it will get some land but fraction of what it wanted from this "operation".

Then, Russia will comeback after 5 to 6 years. That's the pattern, observe the pattern.

 

[Viet]

Speaks someone sitting in UK interfering with the Pakistani state's affairs! Does the King know you are collecting his welfare and poking nose in a country's affairs that you no longer have a direct relationship with? Your name "Khansaheeb" gives up everything! Backing IK based on your ethnic brotherhood vs. caring the country? These ethnic politics won't work as Pakistan belongs to 220 million Pakistanis, not 30 million Pashtuns (and by the way, I'm a Pathan myself!), I just put Pakistan above my roots and know MAJORITY should have a right to vote whoever they want in, vs. a Pashtun to be voted in by hook or crook. IK's inspired by Hitler and Trump! He wants to use the Army as his police and wants to be above the law like Trump. Doesn't work like that.

Let's not derail the thread.

On topic: Putin again, for the 3rd time asked for "negotiations". What does everyone think? Is Russia going towards the same end like Afghanistan? It's going to eventually admit defeat? What does everyone think?

Yes also I noticed he is a bit quiet, he is not as much as aggressive as before. Much like a rat in the corner that seeks a way out. However his speeches are still filled with hatred on Ukraine, on the West, on the NATO. He says 99.9 percent russians support him. He threatens with nukes. So what is the basis for negotiation?
As for Ukraine unthinkable it will ever accept Putin as negotiation partner. Least since Putin’s troops committed massacres in Butcha and Mariupol.

 

[thetutle]

Countries like Russia always have room for negotiation because they have too much at stake. However, too early to say Russia admitting defeat but I don't see war going more than 6 months from now. We will see lesser number of attacks from Russia and then Russia going back but it will get some land but fraction of what it wanted from this "operation".

Then, Russia will comeback after 5 to 6 years. That's the pattern, observe the pattern.

if there si a peace, there will be a setup where ukraine cant be attacked anymore and if they are it will draw NATO in automatically, otherwise there wont be a peace ukraine will accept.

And I dont think NATO can dictate to Ukraine. If ukraine is left on its own it will just fall and that would be unacceptable to NATO. So the fighting stops when Ukraine says it stops.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Thats defamation right there. But since I am not identified, I cant sue you. Although I would love to, just to show you how things are done.

now you are getting it.

well, yes. sure.

errr, yes it does. Telling the truth is permitted. You can call any convicted criminal a criminal and it would be ok. you can call a person who is 150 cm tall a "hey there 150cm tall person". if they find the truth offensive that is not your problem. Thats not how society functions. Or the legal system.

What this woman did in your article is accuse an innocent man of being a criminal. This is terrible and she was rightfully convinced of Libel. And she also defamed him and I hope he can take some of her money. Had he been a criminal, in this case a rapist, she would be fine.

Instead she got a criminal conviction. And rightly so. It was something she maintained was factual.

Instead I am offering an opinion that some people are CIA assets and this is very good and noble thing. You do not think less of them, noone in their right mind in Sweden would think badly of CIA assets. This is something great. They should be proud. I would love it if they spent a million $ suing me for this. I would have a big old laugh.

I am Still waiting for my speeding and parking tickets from Sweden to arrive so I can pay them. Its been about 12 years. And I go to europe all the time. If they cant send me a speeding ticket when I've given them my address, how the heck are they going to do anything?

Make the comments in the thread I opened to avoid cluttering this thread.