Russia to modernize T-80 tanks of Pakistan.

[Imad.Khan]

Why not Ukraine?

They tried with just 5 tanks but it seems PA wasn't satisfied with it.

 

[Ghost 125]

Good question.


Vt 4 would not be over 250 units. Its inferior. Only tank good enough for modern battlefield against good armies is ztz99 series.

320... yeah but we dont have money

 

[Super Falcon]

No need to upgrade tanks use that fund for navy and army air arm

 

[Black Bird]

320... yeah but we dont have money

I don't understand this simple thing that we have money for Frigates,Subs and anaully one squadron of JF-17 but we don't have for long range SAM and to upgrade or built new Tanks. If we are able to buy off the shelf new Tanks why we are not going to use those funds for home made AL KHALID to increase its NOS.

 

[Tumba]

No need to upgrade tanks use that fund for navy and army air arm

correct tanks lots their charm when attack choppers took to the skies, highly mobile flying below radar sights and under the protection of SAMs with beyond sight air to ground anti tank missiles, a single fully armed chopper can take out multiple no so mobile tanks in few minutes and come rearmed again in 30 min to take out more without Tank company even moving few kilometers.

 

[Trango Towers]

Yes the engine is the test in Russian own modernization program of T-80. Basically it is same engine but improved for better fuel efficiency and horse power.

Will it work in our desert. Hot humid and fine sand

 

[Ghost 125]

I don't understand this simple thing that we have money for Frigates,Subs and anaully one squadron of JF-17 but we don't have for long range SAM and to upgrade or built new Tanks. If we are able to buy off the shelf new Tanks why we are not going to use those funds for home made AL KHALID to increase its NOS.

i wish it was that simple. but sometimes buying things off the shelf cost lesser then producing them at home, its simple maths. first of all R&D is a costly subject itself, then creating base and setup for production line itsef costs money, hell lot of money. at the end what will happen to that production line after fulfilling your own requirment. there the market competition and international geo politics will come into play, will you be able to continue the production line by exporting it?. all that combined with economic conditions and our international standing decides that we have to procure somthing off the shelf or we have to produce it locally.

 

[Black Bird]

i wish it was that simple. but sometimes buying things off the shelf cost lesser then producing them at home, its simple maths. first of all R&D is a costly subject itself, then creating base and setup for production line itsef costs money, hell lot of money. at the end what will happen to that production line after fulfilling your own requirment. there the market competition and international geo politics will come into play, will you be able to continue the production line by exporting it?. all that combined with economic conditions and our international standing decides that we have to procure somthing off the shelf or we have to produce it locally.

We already have production line for Al Khalid and we produce in good nos that's why i was asking that.

 

[TechMan]

I will update on the news in the thread in some time.

Which thread?

 

[Type59]

Stupid to buy Russian t 90s. Corruption has to be involved for PA to buy them. T 90 are a good tank, but India has them and importantly t90 ms is not a revolutionary tank. Al khalid 2 can approach and exceed its specs.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Pakistan T80 have different turret as compared to Russian one .. Even we consider that the news is true than these upgrades are pretty good

> Relikt explosive reactive armor kit are very much better than previous gen ones .. and as per russian armour penetration is nearly half as compared to RHA
> Improved optronics , passive counter measure , improved missile firing ability ,etc

 

[Tipu7]

Pakistan T80 have different turret as compared to Russian one .. Even we consider that the news is true than these upgrades are pretty good

> Relikt explosive reactive armor kit are very much better than previous gen ones .. and as per russian armour penetration is nearly half as compared to RHA
> Improved optronics , passive counter measure , improved missile firing ability ,etc

Imagine a similar Russian package for Pakistan T80UD as they gave to their T80BV to transform them into T80 BVM. T80BV is bit inferior than T80UD, so think about T80UDM here.

What is the official count of T-80UD tanks? 320 ?

Yes.

I would suggest t-90 purchase rather than upgrades on a very old tank.

Very old?
T80UD is one of the best tank in South Asia. Even better than initial batches of Indian T90S.

 

[Arsalan]

Any chance of getting more T80/84s and upgrading them at home?
@Dazzler @Bilal Khan (Quwa)

Not aware of any.
Based on a recent trip to HIT, it looks unlikely.

To be honest, HIT needs a major revamp. The guys have been sitting ideal for too long and looks they don't really even want to work anymore.

 

[jupiter2007]

Not aware of any.
Based on a recent trip to HIT, it looks unlikely.

To be honest, HIT needs a major revamp. The guys have been sitting ideal for too long and looks they don't really even want to work anymore.

There is always a chance if the price is right and if fits the requirement.
Russia has over 500 surplus T-80 Tanks. What the hell they are going to do with those?

 

[SecularNationalist]

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