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Russia To Adopt 1st Strike Nuke Policy: Official

Yes? Then kindly tell us which country has a conventional force strong enough to force Russia to abandon its no first use policy? Definitely not USA/NATO as they would never get the consensus to attack Russia in the first place. Moreover there are no major issues worth going to war over. It is certainly not Georgia or Poland or even Ukraine. It is only China with which Russia has major outstanding territorial issues over which they have already fought a war in 1969. China is certainly strong enough conventionally to be a threat to Russia. Russia, however has a very large edge in nuclear weapons over China.

If you think rationally without your anti-Indian bias you would come to the same conclusion.

maybe if you had thought about it rationally and with a little research you would have found that all outstanding land dispute between russia and china had been solved.

also 1969 was not a war.

and dispite what you want, relations between russia and china are good, they are not best friends, but are also not enemies by far.

and you seem confident NATO posts no threat to the russians, try telling them that.
 
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maybe if you had thought about it rationally and with a little research you would have found that all outstanding land dispute between russia and china had been solved.

also 1969 was not a war.

and dispite what you want, relations between russia and china are good, they are not best friends, but are also not enemies by far.

and you seem confident NATO posts no threat to the russians, try telling them that.
NATO will never be able to attack Russia.Germany sees to that.Russians have a fear that China may invade Siberia that is the only scenario I can think of.

Russians have some 60,000 strategic warheads and 1,20,00 tactical nukes
 
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Obama's peace dividend... :coffee:

Obama had nothing to do with it. it is a result as stated with Russia's deteriorating Armed forces. What it does do is throw open the door to other countries using the same policy. In justifying the use of nukes in war time.

For instance Israel could use the same excuse in using nukes to take out Iran's nuke facilities and Iranian military bases.
 
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What it does do is throw open the door to other countries using the same policy. In justifying the use of nukes in war time.

For instance Israel could use the same excuse in using nukes to take out Iran's nuke facilities and Iranian military bases.

This is a good point. But Obama does have something to do with it. His naivete in calling for a nuclear weapons free world ignores the simple fact that having nuclear weapons and a doctrine of being willing to use them "first" is the best defense a country can "afford". If you want to be left alone in this world, having some deliverable nukes is the surest way, whether you are Israel, Pakistan, the US, Russia or Iran. It may be that a nuclear free world would have an order of magnitude more "conventional" conflict then we see today.

Today, most of the shooting conflict in the world centers around Muslim grievances, not territorial disputes. Imagine if there were no nukes how many territorial disputes would flare into shooting wars.
 
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Obama had nothing to do with it.

Obama blinked on the European missile defence shield. Granted it was a stupid and unworkable concept, but the Russians put the pressure in Uzbekistan to close the US base and Obama caved in.

JOE BIDEN WARNS THAT AMERICAN ENEMIES WILL TEST OBAMA IF ELECTED

If you want to be left alone in this world, having some deliverable nukes is the surest way

Afghanistan - no nukes - US invades
Iraq - no nukes - US invades
DPRK - possible nukes - US wants to 'talk it over'
Pakistan - nukes - US puts pressure but no invasion
 
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Afghanistan - no nukes - US invades
Iraq - no nukes - US invades
DPRK - possible nukes - US wants to 'talk it over'
Pakistan - nukes - US puts pressure but no invasion
We will take Cuba for the cigars and the Latinas next.
 
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maybe if you had thought about it rationally and with a little research you would have found that all outstanding land dispute between russia and china had been solved.

also 1969 was not a war.

and dispite what you want, relations between russia and china are good, they are not best friends, but are also not enemies by far.

and you seem confident NATO posts no threat to the russians, try telling them that.

No doubt NATO is a threat. But those idiots can never get to agree on anything. Each one is pulling in a different direction. All speaking in different voices. Yes, Russia and China are friendly - at the moment.
 
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NATO will never be able to attack Russia.Germany sees to that.Russians have a fear that China may invade Siberia that is the only scenario I can think of.

Russians have some 60,000 strategic warheads and 1,20,00 tactical nukes

if you put it that way then china will never attack russia either, its obviously only when something major happens that a war would break out, when threatened, NATO is no paper tiger
 
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I suggest you to refine your post.It is China to be blamed for all the mess in the sub-continent today.China hates democracy and so India.Chinese failed to keep the borders tidy.They are the one who initiated war against India and proved every single moment.

On the other hand India is only playing a defencive posture.

If we can win over the people with words and good behaviour then the other option left with is only war.
China is taking advantage of its military and its conventional edge over russia.I might attest it as a good move by Russia by ruling out the NFU policy.

Might be its the time for India as well to change its nuclear policy.Whether the TN is a reality or fantasy leave it aside.And India can still nuke its agressors with the well designed fission ones.
India shoudlnt be invading any country and at the same time it shouldnt let any other do the same to its territory.Peace.

Nazi-Hindu's "Forward Policy Wars" has stolen Chinese land, yet it is evident that the average Hindu's IQ is only 80.5. :)
 
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Nazi-Hindu's "Forward Policy Wars" has stolen Chinese land, yet it is evident that the average Hindu's IQ is only 80.5. :)

^^^ While that may or may not be true, but you have shown your IQ with this post. Definitely Chinese and Pakistanis are far more intelligent than you. Question is what exactly are you? Wait, dont tell us - let it remain a mystery.
 
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I found this in the RIA Novosti, it does contain some clarifications but also remains deliberately vague about the core issues. We will have to wait for the final draft to emerge by year end to see the nuts and bolts of the new doctrine.

17:4114/10/2009
"RIA Novosti interview with Pavel Zolotarev, deputy head of the Institute of U.S. and Canadian Studies, professor at the Academy of Military Sciences, president of the Fund for Supporting the Military Reform.

Question: Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of Russia’s Security Council, said in an interview to Izvestia that a new concept of Russia’s Military Doctrine would be submitted to the president by the end of the year. He said it would list situations in which preemptive nuclear strikes can be delivered to repel external threats to Russia and contain aggressions. What are the reasons for that decision, and in which cases can nuclear weapons be used?

Pavel Zolotarev: I think this is a rather loose interpretation of what he said. Of course, the new doctrine will preserve a degree of uncertainty as regards the conditions in which nuclear weapons can be used. This is essential, because the bigger the degree of uncertainty as regards the use of nuclear weapons, the more effective the deterrent will be.

[In other words, we are talking] not so much about a large-scale war, as in the past when the threat came from the United States – and a conflict with the U.S. could only be a large-scale war, which limited the sphere of the use of nuclear weapons. But, since Russia and the U.S. are no longer enemies, nuclear weapons are becoming less important as a means of ensuring security in their relations.

Russia and the U.S. now see nuclear weapons as a burden, and are thinking more of ways we can cooperate to stop nuclear proliferation. This is why we are drafting a new treaty with the United States, and not because we want to look at each other through gun sights and calculate each other’s missiles.

But, since there are nuclear weapons in the world, and they will not be liquidated in a long time yet, we should set the rules of their use. The formulas sealed in the doctrine will stipulate broader use of nuclear weapons. I cannot say exactly how they will be worded, but the general attitude will be such that the level of uncertainty as regards the use and conditions of the use of such weapons will persist.



Question: Isn’t this formula too aggressive for other states?

Pavel Zolotarev: I think that this will largely depend on the wording. I think that since the working group drafting the military doctrine includes representatives of the Foreign Ministry and other professionals, they will invent a formula that will not alarm other states.

Question: In other words, Russia will not review the defensive nature of its military doctrine?

Pavel Zolotarev: Of course not, but the range of tasks has exceeded the old limits, because the form of deterrence on which we relied during the Cold War – actually, we did not see any other form – is no longer effective. But since there are nuclear weapons in the world, we should envision broader tasks for nuclear deterrence.

Question: Why cannot we use conventional weapons to attain this goal in local conflicts and wars?

Pavel Zolotarev: Because they cannot guarantee that you will attain your goals and repel the threats that arise. Since Russia has a huge territory and is reforming its armed forces – in other words, it is reducing the number of military personnel – the mobilization readiness of the economy and the people is decreasing. Therefore, Russia has taken this precaution to protect itself from the possibility of unexpected situations when a local conflict develops into a large-scale war for which Russia is not ready. It is for this eventuality that Russia has nuclear weapons.

Question: Will the doctrine list the countries against which such preemptive strikes could be launched?

Pavel Zolotarev: Absolutely not, because Russia has not listed its enemies in its doctrines since 1993. They provided factors, one way or another, that could create a military threat, but the task at any given moment is to assess the situation, the direction from which the threat may come, and ways to respond to it.

But we do not have a concrete enemy, and there will be no direct link to any state."
 
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Nazi-Hindu's "Forward Policy Wars" has stolen Chinese land, yet it is evident that the average Hindu's IQ is only 80.5. :)

yups that is why foreign investors (include Pakistani investors also) are more interested in a country with low IQ for technical jobs.

And stop calling names. Nazi hindu would invite you to be called such as terrorist muslims. So refrain from such comments.
 
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