Russia says no to technology transfer for Smerch rockets

[Tshering22]

The real question should be Why do India require Technology of a Smerch like MLRS from Russia ?

That is because whatever massive orders we place, almost all of our contracts have ToT clauses especially in the last 5 years.

With Rafale also the same problem is going on. They are having issues with ToT which was actually a part of the tender when issued.

If they didn't want why did they participate is our question.

What I wrote is from 2012. No new news after that.
IA's arty is becoming weak. We cant wait for it too long. We will have to purchase Rockets or Arty if not both. I will vote for rockets but may be from another source if Russia is becoming noncooperative.


To produce locally for IA.
We still not have designed MBRL with 120Km range. Its in design n development phase
The denial may the reason to kill indigenous effort.

Call me a novice, but can DRDO modify Prahaar to have the same effect?

Not modify and use but sort of combine Pinaka and Prahaar know how together?

Prahaar's range is 150 Km. If the engineers can reorient the design as a rocket, it can be a deadly MBRL.

Of course the two techs are really different.

But Pinaka experience will be useful here.

Just saying.

 

[Sergi]

Call me a novice, but can DRDO modify Prahaar to have the same effect?

Not modify and use but sort of combine Pinaka and Prahaar know how together?

Prahaar's range is 150 Km. If the engineers can reorient the design as a rocket, it can be a deadly MBRL.

Of course the two techs are really different.

But Pinaka experience will be useful here.

Just saying.

I am not saying we can't. I am saying NOT in time. IA arty is already in bad shape.
No new Arty gun since 80s n now out of stock of long range MBRL rockets.Doesn't sound good.

 

[ni8mare]

The real question should be Why do India require Technology of a Smerch like MLRS from Russia ? Turkey did it in 90's, Pakistan is manufacturing own guided rockets, China has a vast of rockets in similar class. Serbia is producing similar products. Israel has own standarts but Thinking a country like India, producing manny different missile/rockets, where lacks behind of the level of technology many countries reached way before, make me surprize.

what you trying to say?

 

[Tshering22]

I am not saying we can't. I am saying NOT in time. IA arty is already in bad shape.
No new Arty gun since 80s n now out of stock of long range MBRL rockets.Doesn't sound good.

Which simply means that once Modi returns, we will see a flurry in activities. (Jaitley is just his MMS as we all know )

Please remember the corrupt top brass of IA for years has also been responsible for keeping things so bad.

what you trying to say?

He is saying that if we can make submarine based ballistic missiles, IRBMs like Agni series, quasi-ballistic missiles like Prahaar, cruise missiles like BrahMos, then WTF is so difficult in making an MBRL, THAT TOO when we have already made a 30 Km range Pinaka?

A sensible question indeed.

 

[Sergi]

Which simply means that once Modi returns, we will see a flurry in activities. (Jaitley is just his MMS as we all know )

Please remember the corrupt top brass of IA for years has also been responsible for keeping things so bad.

I dont think IA has anything to do with Arty condition. They are shouting from roofs since 99. But no GOI brave the Bofors ghost and OFB was sitting on TOT till last few years trying to hatch them

I doubt Modi can design a MBRL Rocket but he surely can fast track a purchase.
And may be reforms in PSUs.

 

[ni8mare]

Which simply means that once Modi returns, we will see a flurry in activities. (Jaitley is just his MMS as we all know )

Please remember the corrupt top brass of IA for years has also been responsible for keeping things so bad.



He is saying that if we can make submarine based ballistic missiles, IRBMs like Agni series, quasi-ballistic missiles like Prahaar, cruise missiles like BrahMos, then WTF is so difficult in making an MBRL, THAT TOO when we have already made a 30 Km range Pinaka?

A sensible question indeed.

we already have
pinaka I mk1= ~40km
pinaka I mk2= ~65km
pinaka II = 120km in deveploment stage
prahaar i=150km so for time being smerch 90 km it being used to fill the gap ....
if above is true then its good go for locally developed mlrs aka pinaka 2

 

[Archie]

I believe, as far as artillery is concerned
the only option for IA is buying the Dhanush in large numbers

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

The real question should be Why do India require Technology of a Smerch like MLRS from Russia ? Turkey did it in 90's, Pakistan is manufacturing own guided rockets, China has a vast of rockets in similar class. Serbia is producing similar products. Israel has own standarts but Thinking a country like India, producing manny different missile/rockets, where lacks behind of the level of technology many countries reached way before, make me surprize.

All nation that you mention did not develop the technology on their own. China MBRLS are derived from smerch and later passed on to pakistan. India can also copy the smerch, but will have to develop the rockets on their own.

 

[Screambowl]

This is just to confuse.

 

[cabatli_53]

All nation that you mention did not develop the technology on their own. China MBRLS are derived from smerch and later passed on to pakistan. India can also copy the smerch, but will have to develop the rockets on their own.

Indeed, Turkey also purchased Chinese technology. I just thought India as a country where developed various type of ballistic missiles, achieved development of artillery rockets years ago. That's why I am surprized a littile bit when I read ToT request of India in this field...

 

[Jlaw]

China has much better rockets。

As a matter of fact，China mass-produces the best rockets and rocket launchers in the world。

China also produces a multitude of rockets to suit the needs of different customers，from the beggars to the super rich。

Go and ask for help。

And you would help the potential enemy.

 

[Didact]

That is because whatever massive orders we place, almost all of our contracts have ToT clauses especially in the last 5 years.

With Rafale also the same problem is going on. They are having issues with ToT which was actually a part of the tender when issued.

If they didn't want why did they participate is our question.



Call me a novice, but can DRDO modify Prahaar to have the same effect?

Not modify and use but sort of combine Pinaka and Prahaar know how together?

Prahaar's range is 150 Km. If the engineers can reorient the design as a rocket, it can be a deadly MBRL.

Of course the two techs are really different.

But Pinaka experience will be useful here.

Just saying.

You'd need to be a bit more specific with what you mean by same effect before I can formulate the requisite reply. But in so far as Prahaar substituting for the role of Smerch in IA battle plans, it can prove a far more devastating tool than the Smerch IMO.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

Indeed, Turkey also purchased Chinese technology. I just thought India as a country where developed various type of ballistic missiles, achieved development of artillery rockets many years ago. That's why I am surprized a littile bit when I read ToT request of India in this field...

India develops MBRLs but of short range called Pinaka. There is a program going on to develop long range rocket, but Indian Army is not involved. Prahar missile is also ready, but IA is not interested.

 

[jha]

And you would help the potential enemy.

I thought we are friends... Why this term " Potential Enemy"...

 

[ni8mare]

Indeed, Turkey also purchased Chinese technology. I just thought India as a country where developed various type of ballistic missiles, achieved development of artillery rockets years ago. That's why I am surprized a littile bit when I read ToT request of India in this field...

tot for local production...jobs in india