Russia reject India’s claim of testing intercontinental missile as baseless

[lem34]

I think the description by the Russian is fair. It seems unfair because India is a country of 1.2 billion and is being compared to countries that are much smaller. But I think this comparison is more accurate than comparing India with countries like China. Maybe things may change in the future but that is where India is today.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Classic case of lack of ability to properly interpret English.

He said that countries like India and North Koria didn’t possess long-range intercontinental missiles.

India never said that Agni-V was a 'long-range' ICBM.

That would be something like an 8000km missile.

...and I'm not even discussing the source or the fabrication of the General's statement, yet.

Not surprised that pakistani media twisted a news for their pride..remember Wikileaks ??

 

[Don777]

Good, please get the contact details of this general, as when A5 will hit the target, you will need to sue him, if you servived

 

[JanjaWeed]

Not surprised that pakistani media twisted a news for their pride..remember Wikileaks ??

reminds me of that classic quote by Saudi king..''when the head is rotten it affects the whole body''. Here is the classic example of that..

 

[GR!FF!N]

I think the description by the Russian is fair. It seems unfair because India is a country of 1.2 billion and is being compared to countries that are much smaller. But I think this comparison is more accurate than comparing India with countries like China. Maybe things may change in the future but that is where India is today.

so you think India,Pakistan,Israel and NK doesn't have nukes...right???

 

[lem34]

so you think India,Pakistan,Israel and NK doesn't have nukes...right???

I suggest you read the OP the Russians put Indian capability along with smaller countries than India. Which imo is fair

 

[kingkobra]

this thread takes stupidity to whole another level...hats off to OP

 

[Gessler]

the article is fake, tiwsted by pak media for personal satisfaction. general was quoting Iran and NK,
not India and NK as said by the idiots.

it was a problem they had since they're so-called "long-range" missile test turned out to be
a shaheen-1a MRBM, they had little option to survive but for to post fake news as jingoistis
masturbation.

here's an interview of Gennedy Yevstafiev, ex-lieutenant general of russian foreign intelligence
services -

Interview with Gennady Yevstafiev, retired Lieutenant General of the Russian
Foreign Intelligence Service.

Mr.Yevstafiev, thank you so much for joining us now. So, the way I’m looking at various
reactions of the successful Agni-V Indian intercontinental…

The first test launch was basically successful. It is a great achievement of the Indian research
technology and we have to admit that India has become one of the major missile countries in
this world. And it was developed for a number of years. Initially the idea was to develop Agni-III
into number IV and number V, but then number IV somehow has not been tested yet and now we
have Agni-V. This is a formidable missile with the range of, some people say
it is 5000 kilometers, but I’m afraid they are misleading the public opinion because there are people
who believe that it has a potential of 8000 kilometers. And of course the range of throw is a classified
information but nevertheless between 5000 and 8000, this makes it intercontinental strategic missile.

The missile was coming under the Strategic Forces command. So, it is in a proper hands and it has been launched from a traditional place, there is a Wheeler Island where Defense Research and Development Organization of India has its sights. And it would take a number of test flights, not less than four or five,
before a missile itself will become operational. Now it is a success but it is not yet operational and it will
also take three or four years before they really develop what they say. They want to have at top of this
missile MIRV system – Multiple Independently Targeted Vehicles with a number of, between two and ten, separately targeted nuclear bombs. And it will take some time, this technology is not yet ready.

And what we have of course it is a huge missile, it is almost 18 meters, and its diameter is 2 meters,
it is really a robust and solid mechanism. It can carry about 1500 kilos of weight of load and it is enough
to carry a vessel with a nuclear bomb or to have four or five MIRV bombs which could present a very
serious difficulty for missile defense. And we have to give credit to Indians, they have mastered, which has taken more time in bigger countries like the United States and Russia, they right
from the beginning have put the missile into a canister which is sealed and the missile could be kept for
quite some time before it is being thrown out from a canister and after that it starts moving. Of course
we know the Indians have serious successes in navigational systems, in GPS systems that’s why as far as guidance is concerned that’s quite a reliable thing because the standard of Indian electronics and space technology evokes respect.

So, having fired this missile Indians have stated by the firing test that they have joined the club
of the great missile powers. Being the nuclear state they have declared that they have a very
universal weapon for the future developments because of course they have their own threats
perceptions and risks. And that’s why it has been done according to their view of developing situation.
If you have a look on how far it can fly – it covers all China and it can come up to Europe. I wonder
if these people in Europe, would they think about a threat from a third world country and what do they
think about their missile defense system because it is much more developed than anything we have in
Korea or in Iran for that matter.

Indian researcher Bahukutumbi Raman says that Agni-V is, like he put it, a Chinese centric missile.
And he says that once it is put on operation, it can reach those parts of Eastern China on which
its economic prosperity depends. Now, if that is really so? Are we going to see something like arms
race between China and India?

The arms race between China and India is going on for the last 15-20 years. The range of Agni-V
covers the whole of China, not only the areas on which the Chinese prosperity depends.

In terms of Indian perception of threats of course in the Indian General Headquarters, among the
military China is the major threat and that’s why they have found now, say by 2015 they will have
a reliable weapon to respond to Chinese threat. But on the other hand I think it will make the whole
situation, as far as stability is concerned, more predictable and both sides, I would say, would be
very cautious about playing with muscles.

But it is a certain warning to other countries around India, in the Indian Ocean and in other places
that India has a potential and they have to deal with India very cautiously, they should not irritate
India and it has Indian Ocean at her disposal because with this kind of missiles, they will have a
number of them, they would control the whole area. And it happens, interestingly enough, it happens
in times when Americans are trying to develop their assets and potential in Australia. And America is
preparing for some sort of a showdown with China sooner or later. In this situation we have a new
player, very important player who has got something to say.

And is the player going to take sides in that situation?

No, I don’t think India will take any sides in this because Indian policy is very mature. Indians know the
border of their national interests and they won’t go a step over this border. They know the Chinese
points of aim, so to say, which they should not step on. But in a long run I think it would play well in
containing the United States.

Containing the United States?

Yes, in the long run, especially if China and India would agree among themselves and would really
divide the spheres of interests, it could be a very serious reminder to the United States that they
have to behave in this area because they are not the only one country which possesses this kind
of formidable arsenal of weapons.

But interestingly enough India has close cooperation with the United States in nuclear matters.
So, do you think that could be a leverage for the United States to apply some pressure to India?

No, I don’t think so. You know, the agreement with Bush Administration signed with India about scientific cooperation, but mainly in a nuclear field, in 2007 is of the particular interest to the United States
because they know the Indians have a huge energy program which is based mostly on, due to rather
poor energy resources, it is based mostly on the development of the nuclear industry. We benefit from
this idea of Indians develop nuclear industry, Kudankulam which we are going to convert into something very spectacular.

But the Indian request is huge because Indians are planning within 20-25 years to build about
50 nuclear energy reactors and American industry which is not producing nuclear reactors now for the
use in the United States, they have stopped producing them to the United States industry, they badly
need some market for the advanced technologies in that. By the way, French are in the same boat,
though of course French industry is of a much smaller size. That’s why the fight for Indian market in
nuclear technology is basically a commercial fight for the share of Indian market. But the market is
going to be so big that for the next 15 years there will be enough space for everybody to work on this
market.

Mind you that Indians are very serious customers and they demand a lot of set benefits when they sign agreements and these set benefits would of course sponsor the Indian industry in developing their own technologies. And sooner or later they will produce more than 50% of what they need for themselves.

And now of course the final question based on your assessment. Just how good are the chances,
the way you see, that eventually India and China might come to terms? Because now we’ve got more
than half a century standing conflict between the two. And on the other hand there are so many forces
which would be trying to prevent the two countries reaching any kind of agreement.

That’s true. And for example America very cautiously but they do have the share of really provoking the rift between the two countries, but very carefully. They don’t want to be caught red handed.

This is very difficult to predict but both countries are quite mature in their diplomacy and foreign
policy. Both countries understand the level of their pretensions over the influence in this world and
that’s why unless there is something very special, and very special in this case might be Pakistan which
is an ally of China. But Indians are cautious with Pakistan, they don’t want to take upon themselves the
burden of handling the affairs of this almost fail state and they really don’t mind the Chinese working
there and having their share of influence in Pakistan.

But on the other hand there is no serious problem of fighting for resources up to now between China
and India because China is trying to master the situation in the Pacific Ocean zone, and especially on
those islands like Paracel or on other kinds of isles, and these are the priorities for the Chinese. They
don’t show much their flag in the Indian Ocean. From time to time they come but just to show that
there is the Chinese Fleet and so on. But they understand and they see that the Indian Ocean is the
zone of influence of India, and they don’t provoke India for all kinds of responses.

The same thing with India, it is quite far from this Pacific Ocean area. It has a lot of things to do
around the Indian Ocean and that’s why they are not a competitor for Chinese in the area. Whereas
the United States, Japan, maybe even Indonesia, Vietnam, these countries are more anti-Chinese in
a sense that they are afraid of Chinese, they don’t want to have the increased Chinese influence. And
that brings me to some sort of a hope that understanding this Chinese and Indians, especially in times
of possible Chinese-American tensions, they would keep quite good relationships among themselves.

Well, let’s hope so. Though there is the painful issue of Tibet.

Tibet of course is a point of disagreement but with the course, the way things develop, Indians will
soon be deprived of their hope to have something in Tibet which would be more favourable to their
heart then what is now. Chinese are moving there slowly but I would say resolutely and I don’t think
Tibet is having some chance of independence.

And what about the new port which the Chinese are building in Pakistan?

Pakistan is a different thing. And Pakistan basically strategically is surviving on the strategic
partner agreement with China. But times change. I believe that Pakistan
in many respects is a fail state. And Indians do understand this and they don’t want to
touch Pakistan in terms of military invasion.

But still, are the Chinese interested in getting the port and getting access into the Indian Ocean ultimately?

Not now. Time will come but now they have different priorities. I think they have a priority of China
Sea oil resources and in the surrounding countries. In American opposition to this, they have the
priority of Taiwan, deciding the future of Taiwan in some way which would be acceptable and they
are very flexible on the way how to decide. So, for the next 15-29 China has enough to do in this area
and if it is not going to provoke anybody on the other side of their borders, and they would prefer to
have some sort of détente with India, this will work.

Mr. Yevstafiev thank you so much. Our guest speaker was Gennady Yevstafiev, retired Lieutenant
General of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service.

Arms race between India and china? The voice of Russia

this thread is another failed pakistan attempt to create rift among friends...as Mr. Yievstafiev
says, pakistan is truely
such a fail state

 

[lem34]

This is a case in my opinion of someone saying the emperor has no clothes. I have always felt that comparing India with anything other than much smaller countries shows India not to be incredible but poor in every sphere period

 

[Tshering22]

This is a case in my opinion of someone saying the emperor has no clothes. I have always felt that comparing India with anything other than much smaller countries shows India not to be incredible but poor in every sphere period

As long as our requirements are met within, it doesn't really matter what anyone calls us. We're used to such sensationalized opinions since Cold War when the west would launch such comments... only to fall on its face flat in the last 15 years and see what they were doing.

The least of all should you be pleased about this considering there's little for you to concern yourself here with. The missile isn't meant for you and yet Pakistan had to fire off a short range missile to retain its "image".

 

[Gessler]

This is a case in my opinion of someone saying the emperor has no clothes. I have always felt that comparing India with anything other than much smaller countries shows India not to be incredible but poor in every sphere period

Only jingoes think pakistan is the eternal enemy of India, pakistan is barely capable of feeding its own
population and thinks it can compete with India, pakistan is likely to be destroyed from within in a couple of
years. India only compares with china, both militaryily and economically, its high time forum jingoes realise
that.

 

[timetravel]

Guys India is marching very fast. China is bound to be jealous. Rest assured Agni V is definately 8000-10000 range. Anyhow maknig noises on this forum makes no sense. It cant protect anyone from Agni V neither Chinese can go to court against Indian govt if Agni V travels 8000 km to its target saying they only mentioned 5000

for Pakistan, this missiles is not for you. So I dont know how it affects u guys whether its range is 5000 or 8000 or 10000. Appreciate the fact that a South Asian country is fast becoming a world power.

 

[lem34]

As long as our requirements are met within, it doesn't really matter what anyone calls us. We're used to such sensationalized opinions since Cold War when the west would launch such comments... only to fall on its face flat in the last 15 years and see what they were doing.
.

I do not see how the Russian comment is sensationalising things. After all just check the threads on here where Indians compare India constantly to countries smaller than themselves to make themselves look in a good light. India's Arsenal does not compare with the likes of China etc

for Pakistan, this missiles is not for you.

did not realise India had entered into making country specific missiles. In any event you may want to put your missiles out of reach of our attack missiles?? which is not possible now anyways

Only jingoes think pakistan is the eternal enemy of India, pakistan is barely capable of feeding its own
population and thinks it can compete with India,

mate do you think before you post?? Hunger in Pakistan or India is not funny nor a laughing matter

. India only compares with china, both militaryily and economically, its high time forum jingoes realise
that.

Well obviously Russians think that Indian capabilities are on par to smaller nations as in OP

 

[Tshering22]

I do not see how the Russian comment is sensationalising things. After all just check the threads on here where Indians compare India constantly to countries smaller than themselves to make themselves look in a good light. India's Arsenal does not compare with the likes of China etc

You need to understand the non-emotional aspect of everything here. We see our requirements on what is actually needed. It is never done to hold d**k measuring contests. PLA feels its weapons are sufficient to fight off a potential US invasion. Similarly we feel that at our current rate of development it is enough to repel a PLA invasion in the future.

It would be difficult to understand for you since your country of origin has always sought to pull the other person in a race behind, rather than running faster.

did not realise India had entered into making country specific missiles. In any event you may want to put your missiles out of reach of our attack missiles?? which is not possible now anyways

We do have threat-specific missiles.. I thought you knew that.

 

[GR!FF!N]

I suggest you read the OP the Russians put Indian capability along with smaller countries than India. Which imo is fair

I suggest you to read the interview properly.you'll see his G.K. sucks(A-4 not tested?????)....so,no way you should believe these.and ICBM or not,A-5 do its job.so,why should we even want that "ICBM" nametag.