Russia Ready to Supply India With Anaerobic Submarines

[Hindustani78]

Russia Ready to Supply India With Anaerobic Submarines / Sputnik International

21.01.2015

Anaerobic or air-independent submarines, which usually use hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells, are quieter than conventional diesel-electric boats and do not have to surface or use snorkel tubes to breathe air, thereby exposing themselves to detection by radar and other sensors.


MOSCOW, January 21 (Sputnik) — Russia could supply the Indian Navy with "stealthy" submarines, equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems if India opens a tender for them, a senior official at Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.
"The Russian side is ready to supply a foreign client with a submarine refitted to meet any requests for a different exterior and equipment as formulated by the client," the source told RIA Novosti.

In 2007, New Delhi said it was considering expanding its fleet of submarines with diesel-electric subs. One of the key requirements was for the boats to have so-called anaerobic engines.

Air-independent (closed cycle) submarines, which usually use hydrogen-oxygen fuel cells, are quieter than conventional diesel-electric boats and do not have to surface or use snorkel tubes to breathe air, thereby exposing themselves to detection by radar and other sensors.

A Russian design bureau, Rubin, is currently running tests on AIP systems to be installed on the Russian Navy's Lada-class diesel-electric submarines (Project 677) in 2015, with a new class of non-nuclear submarines with AIP engines to enter the construction phase in two years.
This comes as Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu arrived in New Delhi earlier in the day to talk over the countries' joint military-technical ventures with his counterpart, Manohar Parrikar. The ministers have agreed to "fast-track" a host of joint projects, including work on a fifth-generation fighter jet they are building together.

India is Russia's largest military-technical cooperation partner. According to estimates by Russia's Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, the country supplied India with $4.78 billion worth of weapons and military equipment in 2013. India also leases Russian hardware, such as the nuclear-powered Akula-class Chakra submarine.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Please go for it . Atleast 10 excluding scorpion and another 6 sanctioned.

 

[Tshering22]

Please go for it . Atleast 10 excluding scorpion and another 6 sanctioned.

There's one teeny problem.... All our shipyards are full blown occupied with existing projects.

If you see the scale at which our docks are packed with projects on Arihant, Scorpene, frigates etc, I don't think they'll be able to handle this anytime before 2019.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Well it should not stop our under water fleet growth which dipping to the lowest . If u ask me personally I belive India d hold maintain a fleet of 50 submarines excluding nuclear missiles subs. Submarine can be used as a tool of diplomacy . Our vast cost line natural resources and improving economy need solid fleet to safeguard them . We can afford to buy 10 from abroad and make 10 at home in new line of supply. It's my personal opinion

Leave the time line . It won't work in India that way . But delayed or not goal must be met in the future .

Say we have 6 old submarines operational

6 scorpion + 6 more hopefully bought from Russians . That too only by 2025 we will have 18 subs . What our adversaries will have ? Chinese will have atleast 70+ Pak will have atleast 10 how will u defend ? With P8 I ? It's not gonna work that way .

 

[sancho]

There's one teeny problem.... All our shipyards are full blown occupied with existing projects.

If you see the scale at which our docks are packed with projects on Arihant, Scorpene, frigates etc, I don't think they'll be able to handle this anytime before 2019.

That's why the initial plan was, to add 2 of the 6 new once from the OEM country itself, to speed up induction and add the rest of the order to an Indian shipyard, initially MDL, but sadly the new government revised that in favour for their economic agenda. Now everything is delayed and there is no chance that we will see another sub before 2019 anyway, because it takes time now to re-start the tender, by foreign OEMs teaming up with Indian ship yards, proposing a joint bid, the MoD to accept them, the navy to evaluate options and get to a shortlisting which leads to a final decision. If another ship yard than MDL and another sub than the Scorpene will be chosen, it might take even longer, since our industry needs to absorb the new techs and production procedures first, before a proper production can be started.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Well it should not stop our under water fleet growth which dipping to the lowest . If u ask me personally I belive India d hold maintain a fleet of 50 submarines excluding nuclear missiles subs. Submarine can be used as a tool of diplomacy . Our vast cost line natural resources and improving economy need solid fleet to safeguard them . We can afford to buy 10 from abroad and make 10 at home in new line of supply. It's my personal opinion

Leave the time line . It won't work in India that way . But delayed or not goal must be met in the future .

Say we have 6 old submarines operational

6 scorpion + 6 more hopefully bought from Russians . That too only by 2025 we will have 18 subs . What our adversaries will have ? Chinese will have atleast 70+ Pak will have atleast 10 how will u defend ? With P8 I ? It's not gonna work that way .

thats excessive.we don't need that many.around 25-30 subs(some 15-20 SSK,others are SSBN/SSN) will be enough for IN as we don't have any serious sea power in this region.PLAN??Pakistan Navy??you're kidding,right??some PLAN subs'/surface ships' passing through IOR region is not a threat to us.IN just want to cautious,thats all.neither we need to tail every Chinese Ships in this region,nor to snoop entire region from Pacific to SCS and IOR.

its true that PLAN has so many subs.but only their modern subs leave shores.in fact,it is quite unlikely that a PLAN sub is making long sea patrol around IOR.but yes,their modern sub fleet is growing,but it is nowhere that much alarming.

 

[Tshering22]

That's why the initial plan was, to add 2 of the 6 new once from the OEM country itself, to speed up induction and add the rest of the order to an Indian shipyard, initially MDL, but sadly the new government revised that in favour for their economic agenda. Now everything is delayed and there is no chance that we will see another sub before 2019 anyway, because it takes time now to re-start the tender, by foreign OEMs teaming up with Indian ship yards, proposing a joint bid, the MoD to accept them, the navy to evaluate options and get to a shortlisting which leads to a final decision. If another ship yard than MDL and another sub than the Scorpene will be chosen, it might take even longer, since our industry needs to absorb the new techs and production procedures first, before a proper production can be started.

Well that was a necessary step. Al Congress was obsessed with taking money abroad to European firms, while this agenda, even though a bit slower, will generate jobs for thousands of Indians across the country; not only looking at skill but also providing money and earning for our folks.

We should have powered shipbuilding in the early 90s, cooperating with South Korea and Japan. But we kept importing steel and exporting raw iron. And now here we are.

thats excessive.we don't need that many.around 25-30 subs(some 15-20 SSK,others are SSBN/SSN) will be enough for IN as we don't have any serious sea power in this region.PLAN??Pakistan Navy??you're kidding,right??some PLAN subs'/surface ships' passing through IOR region is not a threat to us.IN just want to cautious,thats all.neither we need to tail every Chinese Ships in this region,nor to snoop entire region from Pacific to SCS and IOR.

its true that PLAN has so many subs.but only their modern subs leave shores.in fact,it is quite unlikely that a PLAN sub is making long sea patrol around IOR.but yes,their modern sub fleet is growing,but it is nowhere that much alarming.

I think he's referring to the long term. Mind you, as we rise in power, our old friends have a chance of becoming enemies. One country we all know has a penchant for suddenly becoming your foe all of a sudden. The same that hugged, kissed, bedded and then threw out many countries in our neighbourhood and extended ones.

50 subs by 2040 is not something he's under-estimating.

 

[Echo_419]

There's one teeny problem.... All our shipyards are full blown occupied with existing projects.

If you see the scale at which our docks are packed with projects on Arihant, Scorpene, frigates etc, I don't think they'll be able to handle this anytime before 2019.

Not the Private ones

 

[Tshering22]

Not the Private ones

They don't have the skill. Making frigates is very different from AIP submarines man.

 

[Ind4Ever]

GRIFFIN : Our 18 submarine fleet which we are planning now is just enough for Pakistan . Chinese are considered as threat by lots scs nation but not to India . War is averted not firing bullets but showcasing them as deterrent. We must have 50 +12 ( nuclear) sub in long term . Atleast 25 is a must by 2025 . We will achieve it with Arihant class and Advanced version. We are not local power any more . Our CBG needs separate submarines for certain roles . From where will u get ?

 

[Echo_419]

They don't have the skill. Making frigates is very different from AIP submarines man.

So we give them the capability & they will build it faster than public Cos

 

[Folkindia]

Some indian members performing self-fellatio again. "We can deter China", but Pakistan's ever-growing navy poses no threat". Some of you need to go drink out of your 'sippy cups' and re-evaluate your posts. Hopefully upon your 'humble return' you will have learnt the basics of being impartial, delved into the realms of neutrality and acquired the much needed capacity for critical thinking. If you can string together a coherent yet succinct paragraph, stating your arguments, we will be happy to read it. If not i will offer you sage advice and suggest you virtually 'migrate' to the 'republic of bharat-rakshak'. Nobody wants to read your ill-advised and poorly grounded posts. Reeks of a bias in here.

 

[Echo_419]

Some indian members performing self-fellatio again. "We can deter China", but Pakistan's ever-growing navy poses no threat". Some of you need to go drink out of your 'sippy cups' and re-evaluate your posts. Hopefully upon your 'humble return' you will have learnt the basics of being impartial, delved into the realms of neutrality and acquired the much needed capacity for critical thinking. If you can string together a coherent yet succinct paragraph, stating your arguments, we will be happy to read it. If not i will offer you sage advice and suggest you virtually 'migrate' to the 'republic of bharat-rakshak'. Nobody wants to read your ill-advised and poorly grounded posts. Reeks of a bias in here.

Chinese navy is very far off & has more enemies to deal at home & your Cost guard navy is of no threat to us the only thing that may pose a threat is your underwater arm
Nice name though

 

[Folkindia]

Do you have comprehension issues?! I do remember stating "Pakistan's ever-growing navy". This 'underwater arm' will prove to be a deterrent which some members here are overlooking. Certain indian members are overstating their navy, whilst disdaining/underestimating Pakistan's growing naval plans.

Chinese navy is very far off & has more enemies to deal at home & your Cost guard navy is of no threat to us the only thing that may pose a threat is your underwater arm
Nice name though

 

[Echo_419]

Do you have comprehension issues?! I do remember stating "Pakistan's ever-growing navy". This 'underwater arm' will prove to be a deterrent which some members here are overlooking. Certain indian members are overstating their navy, whilst disdaining/underestimating Pakistan's growing naval plans.

What growing Naval plans are you talking about your navy will remain a brown water navy for decades to come