India to spend $3 billion for 3 more Talwar-class frigates | Russia & India Report
India will pay more than 1 billion dollars each for new order of these frigates.. You can bookmark this post for future reference..
India paid 1.6 billion dollar for second batch of talwar class in 2009 or so... It's seven years from that deal..
@Abingdonboy @PARIKRAMA ...
It will be too costly for IN to pay 1 billion each for new order of talwars ..
Is it not better to order more P17 A and involve one more shipyard into the same order.. For example ask pipavav to build three P17 A?.
The article is from 2013 and suggest a done deal. It says: "A formal contract is likely to be signed after Russia delivers to India the third and final Talwar-class stealth frigate INS Trikand, being built at the Yantar shipyard in Russia. The delivery is expected in June 2013. " It is now 2015 and there is nothing firm on a third set of Talwars.
The article states "The new set of frigates will be more technologically advanced and each of the next three Talwar-class frigates will be equipped with BrahMos missiles. The existing Talwar-class boats and the upcoming INS Trikand are
not BrahMos-equipped because they were designed before the BrahMos naval variant could be developed. Therefore the greatest USP of the upcoming order for three more Talwar-class frigates would be that for the first time these frigates will be fitted with BrahMos."
However, INS
Teg,
Tarkash and
Trikand are fitted with the Brahmos supersonic cruise missile.
See
BRAHMOS annihilates target off Goa coast from frigate INS Tarkash :: BrahMos.com
The article states "India had awarded a $1.6 billion contract to the Yantar shipyard in 2006 to build three modified Talwar class for the Indian Navy" So, that would mean that after the first three ships for 1 billion, about six-eight years later the three batch two's amount to 1.6 billion.
BrahMos (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Talwar-class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This launches Club as well as Brahmos and Yakhont.
3R-14UKSK-Kh Ship General-Purpose Firing System - Concern Morinsis-Agat JSC
Compare to
Club-U Modular Missile System - Concern Morinsis-Agat JSC
From 2003 to 2013, Russia delivered to India six frigates of project 11356 which were built at the Baltiysky Zavod in St. Petersburg and at the Yantar Shipyard in Kaliningrad. The first three vessels were equipped with Klub-N cruise missiles; the others were armed with BrahMos cruise missiles of Russian-Indian production.
- Ministry concluded a contract in November 1997 with a Russian firm for supply of three modern frigates to the Indian Navy at Rs 3,040 crore. The first frigate, INS Talwar was to be delivered in May 2002, the second INS Trishul in November 2002 and the third INS Tabar in May 2003.
- A supplementary agreement was concluded in October 2001 for providing training followed by sea practice to the crew.
- Another supplementary agreement was concluded in November 2001 for deputation of Delivery Acceptance Team (DAT) of 15 Indian specialists to carry out delivery acceptance of each frigate.
- The Indian government expressed interest to jointly produce project 11356 frigates on its territory, Oleg Shumakov, director of the Yantar Shipyard, told RIA Novosti 20 May 2015.
- Shumakov also noted that frigates which are planned to be built in India will equipped with more advanced weapons than actual vessels of the project. 'According to our plan, those ships will be of the same class, but with different weapons. Weaponry progresses non-stop, so, I think, the new vessel will be equipped with something more advanced. However, as for its seagoing capabilities, it will be the same. Now we are consulting with our Indian colleagues on all the aspects of the project,' Shumakov added.
Talwar Class / Project 11356
- On 12 January 2006 Russia and India signed a contract worth $1 billion for three Krivak-class frigates to be built for the Indian navy. The contract went to Kaliningrad-based Yantar Shipbuilding, which is state-controlled, over St. Petersburg-based rivals Severnaya Verf and Baltiysky Zavod.
Krivak Class - Project 1135
Grigorivich class
Project 1135.6 Admiral Grigorovich
Building units 7-9 in India could involve additional costs, over and above the actual ship cost.
India looking for more Talwar class ships: Navy vice chief | Zee News
India looking for more Talwar class ships: Navy vice chief | Business Standard News
But then again, there may be just the three without engines, ex-Ru navy.
Russia offers India 3 additional Talwar class frigates | Russia & India Report
Life of Soldiers: More Talwar Class Frigates for Indian Navy
Confusion on numbers
According to official sources, India is likely to sign a multi-billion dollar deal for four improved Krivak or Talwar class stealth frigates with Russia — expected to cost upwards of USD 3 billion — during the PM’s visit.
India, Russia likely to sign deal for 4 stealth frigates - The Hindu
Three would then come out at about 2 and 1/4 billion
So, if true, unit price went from 333 million USD for batch 1 in 1997, to 533 million USD for batch 2 in 2005/6 and finally to (possibly) 750 million USD for batch 3 in ... 2016? That;'s not a strange progression imho, esp. if the newer ships carry newer armaments and equipments. Not unlike France's FREMMS.
Also
Like the earlier ships, these will also be built by Yantar shipyard but will additionally involve an Indian partner in line with the government’s ‘Make in India’ push. Officials said Pipavav shipyard owned by Anil Ambani’s Reliance group is likely to be the Indian partner in the deal. Incidentally Russian Navy too has recently ordered these ships for its Baltic fleet. Both sides have been in discussions for the additional frigates for some time but the deal was delayed as India insisted on building it through the ‘Make in India’ route. The deal was also partly delayed due to the engine issue. The engines are built by Zorya Nashproekt of Ukraine and after the crisis in Crimea, Ukraine has refused to supply engines to Russia. However, officials said the issue has been sorted and Ukraine has no reservations in supplying engines to India.
India, Russia likely to sign deal for 4 stealth frigates - The Hindu
I would expect higher 'unit price' (i.e. total worth of deal / 3 ships) when building new ones in India or fitting out Russian build ships in India. The deal will include the ships plus " other services".
Just getting the three Russian ships and fitting the engines, would likely be less costly.
To make up flagging warship numbers, the Indian Navy is initiating the purchase of three Grigorivich-class frigates (Project 1135.6) from Russia. These warships are improved variants of the six Talwar-class (Russian classification: Krivak-III) frigates the navy obtained between 2003-13.
Those earlier vessels were built in Russia, in Yantar Shipyard at Kaliningrad, on the Baltic Sea. Now New Delhi insists the new frigates be built in an Indian shipyard.
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Business Standard learns that Russian experts have evaluated three private yards for their potential to build these frigates: Larsen & Toubro’s Katupalli shipyard, at Ennore, Tamil Nadu; Pipavav Shipyard in Gujarat; and Cochin Shipyard Ltd (CSL) in Kochi, Kerala.
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India paid about $1 billion for the first three Talwar-class frigates, and a similar price for the next batch of three. However, the current trio could be significantly more expensive. This would partly be due to inflation, while building in India would further boost the cost.
Broadsword: Navy looks to Russia for three more frigates, as domestic shipyards lag
