Russia keen to sell new fighter jet MiG-35 to IAF: Official

[Zer0reZ]

MIG-35s are being pitched for IAF. So no impact on MRCBF where RAFALEs and F-18 would be competing. The twin engine fighter, was supposed follow the single engine fighter deal (F-16 Block 70 vs Gripen E), where RAFALEs, F-18s and MIG-35s are expected to compete with RAFALE being the front runner assuming the Safran offset towards Kaveri turns successful. Russia wants assurance on MIG-35s as they know it would have tough time competing with RAFALEs. Hence the linking of MIG-35s to the FGFA & AMCA ToT deals.

First IAF won't buy MiG-35s ever, second present situation is btw 4 jets Gripen, f-18, Rafale & MiG-35(which Russia didn't clarified earlier thats explain this article) for MRCBF deal. I still don't agree though navy could buy them off shelf but we are looking to retire MiG-29 by 2030 so there won't be a MiG-35 in India's military.

 

[StraightShooter]

Fgfa deal also yet get signed,I m hearing the news of "fgfa deal about to conclude" since my collage days

Correct.

The FGFA deal was initiated in 2007. A $300 million preliminary design contract was signed in September 2010 and the preliminary design for FGFA was completed in January 2015. Since then the deal was stuck as Russia wanted India to go for PAK-FA while India wanted to build FGFA with its own requirements ground up. Finally, in May 2017, It was confirmed that the ground work has been completed to finalize the pact for moving forward with the detailed design of the fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA). But the contract has not been signed yet as India has been seeking assurances on ToT for its AMCA project while Russia has been seeking assurances that MIG-35s would be procured in return for ToT for AMCA.

First IAF won't buy MiG-35s ever, second present situation is btw 4 jets Gripen, f-18, Rafale & MiG-35(which Russia didn't clarified earlier thats explain this article) for MRCBF deal. I still don't agree though navy could buy them off shelf but we are looking to retire MiG-29 by 2030 so there won't be a MiG-35 in India's military.

Again, Russia is pitching MIG-35s for the twin engine deal. This is for the IAF and would not impact the IN deal for the MRCBF.

 

[mbashir]

I won't say delayed its been just two years for both S-400 & FGFA and both could be signed this year atleast S-400 will. If that was the case for MiGs then I don't understand the point of having MRCBF tender & wasting our precious time.

So, after another 2 years, are you ready to say its delayed. Modi ji is too much busy in traveling that he may like to complete century before signing the deals. I didnt see a PM like him in my life from any country who gives more importance to his coverage of the world, posing for photographs for publicity than responding to the burning issues in the country. Yet his failures are also projected as if they are big successful stories. God save this country from Modi and his Bhakts.

 

[Zer0reZ]

Again, Russia is pitching MIG-35s for the twin engine deal. This is for the IAF and would not impact the IN deal for the MRCBF.

There is no twin engine deal for IAF while its for navy

So, after another 2 years, are you ready to say its delayed. Modi ji is too much busy in traveling that he may like to complete century before signing the deals. I didnt see a PM like him in my life from any country who gives more importance to his coverage of the world, posing for photographs for publicity than responding to the burning issues in the country. Yet his failures are also projected as if they are big successful stories. God save this country from Modi and his Bhakts.

If you had followed any defence deal in past, you would've known that any defence deal in India take atleast 1-2yrs before signing.

 

[StraightShooter]

There is no twin engine deal for IAF while its for navy

Correct. There is no twin engine deal that has been started yet but would be started after 2019 once the safran offset for Kaveri engine has been completed.

 

[ashok321]

Modern aircraft easier to fly, but combat tasks more challenging: Lead Test Pilot Belyaev Mikhail

 

[Zer0reZ]

Correct. There is no twin engine deal that has been started yet but would be started after 2019 once the safran offset for Kaveri engine has been completed.

Why? IAF don't need more varieties, there is no need for more 4th gen. fighter when we already have Russian's Su-30s.

 

[StraightShooter]

Why? IAF don't need more varieties, there is no need for more 4th gen. fighter when we already have similar Su-30s.

The twin engine fighter program would be started in 2019. Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DARL) was formed in February 2017 in anticipation of the twin engine MII program that would start in 2019.

India's 200 Plus Fighter Aircraft Buy May Include Twin Engine Aircraft
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India’s next big fighter purchase, an estimated 200-250 jets to be made-in-India in association with a foreign partner may include twin-engine aircraft opening up the field to Dassault Rafale, Boeing’s F/A-18 and possibly the MiG-35.

Indications to this effect were available during a press conference by India’s outgoing Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Arup Raha who said yesterday that India may require 200-250 aircraft of the Dassault Rafale type of which 36 have been ordered.

The Indian government wants to make the aircraft in India to fulfil the needs of the IAF and export it to foreign markets. It was earlier reported that the Indian MoD had sought information from foreign manufacturers about their single-engine fighter jets. Consequently, Lockheed Martin and Saab, manufacturers of single engine F-16 and Gripen fighters respectively made their pitches to the MoD.

However, if the Indian MoD has expanded the scope of the offer to include twin-engine fighter jets, then it opens up the field considerably and many involve long-drawn testing, evaluation and contract negotiations.

Perhaps bolstering the contention that twin-engine fighter manufacturers are also in the fray, Michael Koch Boeing’s President for Defence, Space and Security in India, used an Indian publication, Businesline to hardsell the F/A-18, also called the Super Hornet. “The Super Hornets will be built in India in a world class advanced manufacturing facility with the very latest technologies in place.

Koch was quoted as saying that the Super Hornet not only has a low acquisition cost, but it costs less per flight hour to operate than any other tactical aircraft in US forces inventory (read F-16).

That includes single engine fighters, which many would incorrectly assume are cheaper to operate.

In addition, a Russian source told defenseworld.net that his country has received a letter seeking information about a fighter plane and they may pitch in with the MiG-35 if invited to bid by India.

India was to manufacture the fighter jet by a team involving an India ‘strategic partner’ and the foreign manufacturer. Guidelines for what or who constitutes a strategic partner are yet to be released by the Indian MoD.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18...May_Include_Twin_Engine_Aircraft#.WXT_oYjyuUl

 

[Zer0reZ]

The twin engine fighter program would be started in 2019. Dassault Reliance Aerospace Limited (DARL) was formed in February 2017 in anticipation of the twin engine MII program that would start in 2019.

India's 200 Plus Fighter Aircraft Buy May Include Twin Engine Aircraft
Our Bureau
12:53 PM, December 29, 2016
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Dassault Rafale
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India’s next big fighter purchase, an estimated 200-250 jets to be made-in-India in association with a foreign partner may include twin-engine aircraft opening up the field to Dassault Rafale, Boeing’s F/A-18 and possibly the MiG-35.

Indications to this effect were available during a press conference by India’s outgoing Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Arup Raha who said yesterday that India may require 200-250 aircraft of the Dassault Rafale type of which 36 have been ordered.

The Indian government wants to make the aircraft in India to fulfil the needs of the IAF and export it to foreign markets. It was earlier reported that the Indian MoD had sought information from foreign manufacturers about their single-engine fighter jets. Consequently, Lockheed Martin and Saab, manufacturers of single engine F-16 and Gripen fighters respectively made their pitches to the MoD.

However, if the Indian MoD has expanded the scope of the offer to include twin-engine fighter jets, then it opens up the field considerably and many involve long-drawn testing, evaluation and contract negotiations.

Perhaps bolstering the contention that twin-engine fighter manufacturers are also in the fray, Michael Koch Boeing’s President for Defence, Space and Security in India, used an Indian publication, Businesline to hardsell the F/A-18, also called the Super Hornet. “The Super Hornets will be built in India in a world class advanced manufacturing facility with the very latest technologies in place.

Koch was quoted as saying that the Super Hornet not only has a low acquisition cost, but it costs less per flight hour to operate than any other tactical aircraft in US forces inventory (read F-16).

That includes single engine fighters, which many would incorrectly assume are cheaper to operate.

In addition, a Russian source told defenseworld.net that his country has received a letter seeking information about a fighter plane and they may pitch in with the MiG-35 if invited to bid by India.

India was to manufacture the fighter jet by a team involving an India ‘strategic partner’ and the foreign manufacturer. Guidelines for what or who constitutes a strategic partner are yet to be released by the Indian MoD.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18...May_Include_Twin_Engine_Aircraft#.WXT_oYjyuUl

So basically they made whole article of speculation on basis of these words "India may require 200-250 aircraft of the Dassault Rafale type of which 36 have been ordered." IAF chief was talking about multi-role combat aircrafts like Rafale, he wasn't specific to twin engine anywhere, we already getting 140-200 jets from MMRCA deal while more 18 Rafales as an extension.

 

[Great Sachin]

Really??? I thought there was China-Pakistan-Russia-Turkey axis AGAINST India, then how they are keen to sell us weapons?

Pakistan already rejected it...they have better toy..JF17

 

[StraightShooter]

So basically they made whole article of speculation on basis of these words "India may require 200-250 aircraft of the Dassault Rafale type of which 36 have been ordered." IAF chief was talking about multi-role combat aircrafts like Rafale, he wasn't specific to twin engine anywhere, we already getting 140-200 jets from MMRCA deal while more 18 Rafales as an extension.

Actually I saw that interview of former Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Arup Raha where he spoke about it.

IAF is pushing for it and RAFALE surely is the front runner. The deal would not be announced until 2019 to ensure that Safran's offset for Kaveri has been successfully completed.

So you can say that it is speculation but the reality is, it is very much in the plan and the road map.

 

[Great Sachin]

what happened to make in india and the super duper tejas?

why you guys always see any new Fighter plane as replacement of tejas....even same I heard when we were finalizing Rafale....

 

[Zer0reZ]

Actually I saw that interview of former Indian Air Force (IAF) chief, Arup Raha where he spoke about it.

IAF is pushing for it and RAFALE surely is the front runner. The deal would not be announced until 2019 to ensure that Safran's offset for Kaveri has been successfully completed.

So you can say that it is speculation but the reality is, it is very much in the plan and the road map.

Well I don't think so, first & last there is no need for it. I followed this news and Indian media misinterpret whole thing like always. I don't understand the reason to wait until kaveri project is completed. Maybe he was talking about India-UAE talks for Rafale. There are too many uncertainties to call such speculation a reality.

 

[StraightShooter]

Well I don't think so, first & last there is no need for it. I followed this news and Indian media misinterpret whole thing like always. I don't understand the reason to wait until kaveri project is completed. There are too many uncertainties to call such speculation a reality.

Well it is not just one source. You have former IAF Chief, Dassault, Boeing and MIG - all confirming this plan.

Will Super Hornets bridge IAF's 200-aircraft gap?
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Boeing expects the IAF to soon place an inquiry for twin-engine fighter jets to bridge a 200-aircraft gap in its armoury. And the Super Hornet is ready to fly in, reports Ajai Shukla.

The Indian Air Force has already approached major global fighter vendors, inviting them to build single-engine, medium fighters in India.

Now the spotlight is expanding to encompass heavier, twin-engine fighters as well.

On Thursday, November 3, Pratyush Kumar, president, Boeing India revealed that he expected a second inquiry from the IAF, asking international manufactures for interest in building twin-engine fighters in the country.

Along with other vendors, Boeing had received the earlier inquiry for single-engine fighters. With nothing to offer in that category, Boeing wants to sell and build the twin-engine F/A-18E/F Super Hornet -- the US Navy's frontline fighter.

Boeing had offered the Super Hornet in response to India's 2007 tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft, but lost out to the twin-engine Rafale fighter, fielded by French aerospace vendor, Dassault.

Even so, with New Delhi having procured just 36 Rafale fighters, Boeing assesses that, even after buying single-engine fighters, the IAF will face a major shortfall of twin-engine fighters.

Kumar told media persons in New Delhi: 'There is a gap of about 200 fighter aircraft that the Super Hornet can fill, including the naval requirement. This is the assessment of Boeing.'

Like the Rafale, the Super Hornet can operate from land-based airfields, and also aircraft carriers. The US military only uses it off aircraft carriers, but other air forces, such as the Royal Australian Air Force, operate the Super Hornet off land bases.

Boeing has already submitted a plan through the US-India Defence Technology and Trade Initiative, a government-industry coordinating body, to build the Super Hornet in India.

Unlike "other companies" that are offering to shift existing lines, says a politely dismissive Kumar, in a thinly-disguised swipe at Lockheed Martin, Boeing would establish "A brand new, state-of-the-art factory of the future."

Boeing's global arch-rival, Lockheed Martin, the world's largest defence corporation (Boeing is the second-largest), has offered to shift its older F-16 line from Fort Worth, Texas to build the single-engine fighter in India.

The F-16 faces competition in the single-engine category from the Gripen E, which Swedish company Saab has offered to build in India.

Saab has sweetened its proposal with an offer to assist the Defence Research and Development Organisation with completing an improved version of the indigenous Tejas light fighter, called the Tejas 1A.

Boeing's competition in the twin-engine fighter segment comes from Dassault and Eurofighter.

Usually well-informed sources say Dassault, buoyed by its sale of 36 ready-built Rafale fighters to the IAF, is readying a proposal to build a significantly larger number in India.

Boeing, unlike other fighter manufacturers, leverages its military business in India with a major non-military presence in the world's fastest-growing market for airliners.

Kumar argues that Boeing's dual presence -- in civilian and defence aerospace -- creates a compelling business case for establishing manufacturing facilities in India.

"Manufacturing volumes are needed to create a business case for manufacturing in another country. In defence, volumes are initially limited. So it is a great advantage when commercially viable volumes come from defence and civilian business combined," he explains.

Boeing is readying to generate those volumes. In June, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar inaugurated a new manufacturing facility in Hyderabad, where 300 employees will build fuselages for Boeing's Apache AH-64E attack helicopter, which India has contracted to buy.

The facility, which will become the world's sole source for Apache fuselages, is owned by a joint venture between Boeing and Tata Advanced Systems Limited, called Tata Boeing Aerospace Limited.

Kumar says the facility will commence production in mid-2017 and the first fuselages will roll out in 2018.

In similar fashion, the current Super Hornet line in St Louis, Missouri, US would eventually shut down, leaving only the Indian line to fill global orders for new aircraft and spares.

Ajai Shukla
Source:

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/will-super-hornets-bridge-iafs-200-aircraft-gap/20161104.htm

 

[Zer0reZ]

Well it is not just one source. You have former IAF Chief, Dassault, Boeing and MIG - all confirming this plan.

Will Super Hornets bridge IAF's 200-aircraft gap?
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Boeing expects the IAF to soon place an inquiry for twin-engine fighter jets to bridge a 200-aircraft gap in its armoury. And the Super Hornet is ready to fly in, reports Ajai Shukla.

The Indian Air Force has already approached major global fighter vendors, inviting them to build single-engine, medium fighters in India.

Now the spotlight is expanding to encompass heavier, twin-engine fighters as well.

On Thursday, November 3, Pratyush Kumar, president, Boeing India revealed that he expected a second inquiry from the IAF, asking international manufactures for interest in building twin-engine fighters in the country.

Along with other vendors, Boeing had received the earlier inquiry for single-engine fighters. With nothing to offer in that category, Boeing wants to sell and build the twin-engine F/A-18E/F Super Hornet -- the US Navy's frontline fighter.

Boeing had offered the Super Hornet in response to India's 2007 tender for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft, but lost out to the twin-engine Rafale fighter, fielded by French aerospace vendor, Dassault.

Even so, with New Delhi having procured just 36 Rafale fighters, Boeing assesses that, even after buying single-engine fighters, the IAF will face a major shortfall of twin-engine fighters.

Kumar told media persons in New Delhi: 'There is a gap of about 200 fighter aircraft that the Super Hornet can fill, including the naval requirement. This is the assessment of Boeing.'

Like the Rafale, the Super Hornet can operate from land-based airfields, and also aircraft carriers. The US military only uses it off aircraft carriers, but other air forces, such as the Royal Australian Air Force, operate the Super Hornet off land bases.

Boeing has already submitted a plan through the US-India Defence Technology and Trade Initiative, a government-industry coordinating body, to build the Super Hornet in India.

Unlike "other companies" that are offering to shift existing lines, says a politely dismissive Kumar, in a thinly-disguised swipe at Lockheed Martin, Boeing would establish "A brand new, state-of-the-art factory of the future."

Boeing's global arch-rival, Lockheed Martin, the world's largest defence corporation (Boeing is the second-largest), has offered to shift its older F-16 line from Fort Worth, Texas to build the single-engine fighter in India.

The F-16 faces competition in the single-engine category from the Gripen E, which Swedish company Saab has offered to build in India.

Saab has sweetened its proposal with an offer to assist the Defence Research and Development Organisation with completing an improved version of the indigenous Tejas light fighter, called the Tejas 1A.

Boeing's competition in the twin-engine fighter segment comes from Dassault and Eurofighter.

Usually well-informed sources say Dassault, buoyed by its sale of 36 ready-built Rafale fighters to the IAF, is readying a proposal to build a significantly larger number in India.

Boeing, unlike other fighter manufacturers, leverages its military business in India with a major non-military presence in the world's fastest-growing market for airliners.

Kumar argues that Boeing's dual presence -- in civilian and defence aerospace -- creates a compelling business case for establishing manufacturing facilities in India.

"Manufacturing volumes are needed to create a business case for manufacturing in another country. In defence, volumes are initially limited. So it is a great advantage when commercially viable volumes come from defence and civilian business combined," he explains.

Boeing is readying to generate those volumes. In June, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar inaugurated a new manufacturing facility in Hyderabad, where 300 employees will build fuselages for Boeing's Apache AH-64E attack helicopter, which India has contracted to buy.

The facility, which will become the world's sole source for Apache fuselages, is owned by a joint venture between Boeing and Tata Advanced Systems Limited, called Tata Boeing Aerospace Limited.

Kumar says the facility will commence production in mid-2017 and the first fuselages will roll out in 2018.

In similar fashion, the current Super Hornet line in St Louis, Missouri, US would eventually shut down, leaving only the Indian line to fill global orders for new aircraft and spares.

Ajai Shukla
Source:

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/will-super-hornets-bridge-iafs-200-aircraft-gap/20161104.htm

Like I said earlier its all speculations on basis of these words "India may require 200-250 aircraft of the Dassault Rafale type of which 36 have been ordered." Ofcourse west and others would want to pursue such news for their propaganda of selling their jets. Above source proves nothing.