Russia-India S-400 air defence systems deal problematic: Pakistan

[Yaseen1]

due to less distance between india and Pakistan there will be less time available to intercept a missile

It also have a ABM capability against SRBM and MRBM @Muhammad bin Hamid

 

[Ultima Thule]

due to less distance between india and Pakistan there will be less time available to intercept a missile

Their radars and SAMs are working 24/7, its will be just a push of big red button @Muhammad bin Hamid

 

[Panzerfaust 3]

china buy to open it up . you think they buy for ?

China clinched the deal in September at a cost of more than $3 billion for the delivery of at least six S-400 battalions, Moscow Times reported. Currently, China relied on its domestically developed HQ-9 and the Russian-made S-300 missile system, according to Western military observers.

Du Wenlong, a senior researcher at the PLA Academy of Military Science, said the operational ranges of modern military aircraft and missiles are much longer than their predecessors, so an effective defense system must have long-range missiles that can hit aircraft as well as cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles. "Our air force has deployed the Russian S-300 systems, which are good at dealing with aircraft, but their performance in intercepting cruise missiles and tactical ballistic missiles is not very satisfactory," he said. "After we commission the S-400, it can work with the HQ-9 and S-300 to form a fully covered air defense network."

Zhao Zhihua, a senior missile researcher at China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp, a major developer of China's missiles, said that through the introduction of the S-400, China can gain a lot of experience and expertise on how to operate a missile defense system. "Operating such a complex system will go beyond our current knowledge and experience, which in turn will teach us things that we don't know, so it is worthy spending big money buying it," he previously told the Ordnance Industry Science and Technology magazine.

Are chacha ye kidar se copy paste kar dia?
They will try to cipy it no doubt!
But i don't think it will be that easy for them ,but the point is that they can't still produce a comparable system

This is just an unwarranted move by the government of India. Pakistan has every right to share the concerns for a regional arms race which frankly the region can do without given the despair of human development.

Yeah yeah its a race which you are losing
As you can see USA will give us a free hand in building our military might,

 

[El Sidd]

Yeah yeah its a race which you are losing
As you can see USA will give us a free hand in building our military might,

Pakistan has always met its defense needs in any moment in its history.
This deal has little impact on Pakistan.

 

[alee92nawaz]

UNITED NATIONS - Pakistan is concerned about India moving closer to acquiring Russian S-400 air defence systems and urges Moscow not to bet on New Delhi alone, Information Minister Fawad Chaudhry told Sputnik in an interview.

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On Thursday, local media reported that Indian authorities are ready to sign a $5.43 billion contract to purchase five regiments of Russian S-400 Triumph air defence systems.

“That is the problem,” Chaudhry said on Friday when asked what Islamabad thinks of the possible purchase by India. “India is using its might against Pakistan, they are building their power against Pakistan, and that is very unfair. We know that Russia and India have a relationship, but now I think Pakistan is also getting closer to Russia, so Russia should not place its bets on India only.”

Russia and Pakistan’s relationship, Chaudhry added, is improving day by day and Islamabad is looking forward to working closely with Moscow on defence, trade and economic issues.

According to the Times of India media outlet, the Indian Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi gave consent to the purchase of the Russian air defence systems. The decision was reportedly made ahead of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s visit to the country, set for early October.

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India could become the third foreign buyer of these systems, following China and Turkey. Also, negotiations on the S-400 deliveries are continuing with Saudi Arabia. The United States voiced its concern over the Indian plans to purchase the S-400 systems, pointing out that sanctions over the deal could not be ruled out.

Responding to a question, Fawad Chaudhry said Pakistan is open to dialogue with India, but believes domestic political affairs in India prevent New Delhi from engaging in cooperation.

“Internal politics of India forced Prime Minister [Narendra] Modi to withdraw from acceptance of dialogue, but we want dialogue,” Chaudhry said on Friday.

He explained that when Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan took office he said he wanted to normalise relations with India. “This offer was accepted, but just within 24 hours the group within the ruling party forced Prime Minister Modi to withdraw from this acceptance,” the minister added.

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“We stand for peace, and we offered talks to resolve our issues. India and Pakistan have been fighting on the issue of Kashmir for seven decades. Now there is an uprising in Kashmir against the Indian rule,” Chaudhry said, adding “It depends on India. We are open for talks.”

To another question, the minister said Pakistan is uncertain about whether the United States will resume its aid to the country and sees US policy in Afghanistan as confusing.

“Right now we are not certain about that,” Chaudhry said when asked about the prospects of resumption of US funding.

Chaudhry said the US decision to suspend aid illustrates how Washington seems to contradict itself in the region. “The US is running a confusing policy in Afghanistan. One side of the political establishment says they are going out of Afghanistan, other groups within the US establishment don’t want to leave Afghanistan. So when you are confused, what you do is you try to blame others for your failures,” he added.


https://nation.com.pk/30-Sep-2018/russia-india-s-400-air-defence-systems-deal-problematic-pakistan


Can India Control Pakistan’s Airspace with Russian S-400 Missile Defence Systems?



India is fully prepared to buy the S-400 Missile Defense Systems from Russia. President Vladimir Putin is reaching India this week and it is being speculated that both countries can announce the deal during Putin’s visit. EurAsian Times analyses why India is hell-bent on purchasing the S-400 Air Defense Systems, despite continued US pressure and persistence? Secondly what impact will the S-400 systems create on arch-rivals Pakistan?

As reported by EurAsian times earlier, the US does not want India to go ahead with the S-400 this deal with Russia. In the “two-plus-to-one” meeting in New Delhi on September 6 last month, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and US Defense Secretary James Mattis met Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj and Defense Minister Nirmala Sitharaman. It is being said that due to this deal, there will be a threat of economic sanctions of the US on India, but New Delhi is just not relenting.


S-400: What Makes It So Special?

The S-400 is considered the most effective air defence system in the world. Russia’s official news agency Sputnik says that before President Putin’s visit to India, the Cabinet Committee on Security headed by Narendra Modi approved the purchase of five S-400 air defence systems for more than $ 5 billion from Russia.

The USA passed the Countering America’s Advisers Through Securities Act (CAATSA) Act against Russia in August 2017 for alleged Russian intervention in the presidential election of 2016. This law was passed by the US to punish the Russian government. CAATSA has been effective since January 2018. India wants US exemption from this law in its relations with Russia.

This law of the United States prohibits countries who deal with arms in Russia. The US recently passed the US National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which gives the Trump Administration an exemption under the CAATSA to those countries whose defence relationship with Russia is very old.

S-400 is mobile and can be deployed within five to 10 minutes as soon as the order is received. The S-400 is comparable to the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense System (THAAD) of the US. The Almaz-Entente Group, which manufactures the S-400, says that the maximum range of 40N6E is 400 kilometers and it can distinguish its target at a height of 30 kilometers.


Direct Impact on Pakistan ::

Is Pakistan’s anxious after India decided to purchase the hight capable S-400 systems from Russia? In response to this question, a senior defence expert that EurAsian Times talked to said “It is very worrisome for Pakistan. After the S-400 arrives, India can literally control the airspace of Pakistan, especially the bordering regions.

The defence expert also stated that India started to procure weapons from the United States, and in response, defence relations between Pakistan and Russia gradually started to grow. India feared that Pakistan would also demand S-400 from Russia (despite being financially unstable) and thus laid a condition that Delhi will only go ahead with the S-400 deal if Moscow assures that S-400 will never be supplied to Pakistan.

This deal is a game changer but it's not a present threat. It will seriously dent PAF capability as soon as India gets her hands on them missiles

 

[third eye]

Nuclear submarine is essential now for Pakistan . We need to counter them from every available option

How does a nuclear Sub counter a defensive Air Defence weapon system ?

 

[RoadRunner401]

I don't think so
What's a simple hq9 or a hq 18 gonna do ?
Remember chinese too have to buy s 400,because they could never hope to build a comparable system


Hmm seems like this is a major problem for you guys

Lessons learned from India in past are being applied here, we are doing the same what Indians do!

 

[hussain0216]

How does a nuclear Sub counter a defensive Air Defence weapon system ?

I think he means we need as many ways to destroy india as we can get

He mentioned nuclear sub but i dont think its necessary

 

[Corona]

FYI, it is china that braught the system first into the region.

Pakistan has a tendency to see every Indian action as Pakistan centric.

 

[kris]

India feared that Pakistan would also demand S-400 from Russia (despite being financially unstable) and thus laid a condition that Delhi will only go ahead with the S-400 deal if Moscow assures that S-400 will never be supplied to Pakistan.

That's some news here

This is just an unwarranted move by the government of India. Pakistan has every right to share the concerns for a regional arms race which frankly the region can do without given the despair of human development.

You can always chose to stay out of the race and concentrate on human development.
Your country have all the deterrent it needs

So, India shows a middle finger to US and Russia to Pakistan?

I don't see it in that manner. It's all about self interests

When is the bollywood movie coming out then?

Heard that Already special shows are started in Pakistan general head qiarters with special shows for newly elected pm.
Common public of Pakistan can enjoy at a later date....


Lol.....

Pakistan has a tendency to see every Indian action as Pakistan centric.

They still see India as an existential threat

Isn't the s400 a defensive system? It poses a threat to Pakistan in the sense that it aims to reduce Pakistan's capabilities, but surely it's not as bad as say, India testing a new ballistic missile. Doesn't Pakistan also have it's own air and missile defense systems?

Is it really that much of an escalation?

At what point does opening an umbrella against the rain become an escalation or an arms race?

Well put ...

Pakistan has always met its defense needs in any moment in its history.
This deal has little impact on Pakistan.

 

[YeBeWarned]

How does a nuclear Sub counter a defensive Air Defence weapon system ?

lunching CM from multiple directions on a same target is very effective ..
Some of the counter Strategies I would want Pakistan to beef up are as follow
1) Enhance the capabilities of Ra'ad and Babur CM
2) Finish work on Ababeel Asap and make it Operational
3) Guided MRLS
4) LR Guided Bombs
5) EW System like Koral from Turkey

 

[wali87]

Indians rafales, coupled with s400s is certainly a deadly combo and we currently don't have anything to counter it with. Thats because our planners seem to be too busy fixing up politicians at home.

Anyhow, in my opinion s400 is an overkill if Indian intends to employ it on their western border. Thats because they already have s300s. In case of a missile attack from our side, I doubt these or any other SAM systems will help prevent. No system in the world guarantees a 100 percent hit ratio against BMs, CMs and Tactical nukes. Now add MIRVs to the equation and your ABM's ability is greatly curtailed.

However, having done a thesis on the deterrence theory, I do understand that the threat of a conventional war under a nuclear umbrella increases significantly when two sides' nuclear capabilities reach a certain level -(MAD). In such a scenario, the side with a better conventional strength gets into a commanding position.

We need a good ABM system period. Theres no way around it.

 

[Vanamali]

This is just an unwarranted move by the government of India. Pakistan has every right to share the concerns for a regional arms race which frankly the region can do without given the despair of human development.

Easiest way to kill enemy is by becoming friend, become friend of India and have pact then you can avoid arm race.

 

[El Sidd]

Easiest way to kill enemy is by becoming friend, become friend of India and have pact then you can avoid arm race.

Road to Peace goes through kashmir

Easiest way to kill enemy is by becoming friend, become friend of India and have pact then you can avoid arm race.

Road to Peace goes through kashmir

 

[Knight Rider]

Only Answer to S-400 are stealth fighters and in large number. I am looking at China and its J-20. Increase the number of JF-17s from 250 to 500. Numbers matter if you want to create unrest among your enemy. America have 2000 F-16s and China have 700+ J-10s, Quantity matters with Quality. Create more Jet Manufacturing facilities inside Pakistan for JF-17s. Create a stealthy version of JF-17s just like the F-15SE silent eagle. Invest in JF-17 just like we invest in Nuclear assets.

Just for example look at the F-5 fighter which evolve into the FA-18 Hornet.

In today warfare, whoever rules the sky wins the war.

Pakistan has the 13 largest Army in the world out of 196 countries.

IK should focus on getting that 200 Billion dollars back from Swiss banks.