Russia holds Japan whaling research vessel

[sahaliyan]

It was KMT who started the civil war, how you can solely blame Mao for that?

Without that civil war, how we can overthrow KMT and saved China from these traitors?

China's population was booming during Mao's era, but the population growth was completely stalled during the ROC era.

Even Deng claimed that Mao was 70% right and 30% wrong, and are you going to deny the statement from Deng?

I said he was partly responsible for the civil war,I didn't support KMT,which is worse than CCP in every field,if we didn't have a revolution from the beginning of 20th century,the situation would be better,I always think reform is better than revolution

 

[Europa]

Balts and Slavs were one community and have one language before our era.

i think, the mongols and chinese were one community. russia has the largest landmass. china is giving whatever support it can to russia. a friend in need is a friend indeed. china doesn't need to prove how much it is supportive of russia. russia knows it well. now, russia got crimea. russia is getting novorossiya. russia will soon get her former soviet glory. i don't think, there should be any buffer region between russia and china because they are not foes, they are friends. why should there be any mongolia between china and russia? direct people to people contact between russia and china is the need of the hour. there shouldn't be any gap between friends. russia and china should get as much closer as they can. its a historical fact that mongolia was a part of chinese civilization. i think, russia should be generous enough to give something back to china. china was a victim of european colonization, particularly of british. you should see today's china in that light. russia should trust china as much as china trusts russia. there should be reciprocation.

 

[tonyget]

The break up of USSR fit for our national interests
As for the situation of 1989,I admit the students were too naïve,and a powerful government still needed that time,but most students took part in that movement want China became more progress,democratic and powerful,the end is quite sad for them
But after the 1989,Deng made China more capitalist,more opened,and more powerful,I consider Deng as greatest leader we can have in the 1900-2000

The problem was that Soviet collapsed too early. 1991-2001 was the hardest decade for China, there were no Soviet or terrorism, the US was able to spare no effort to "handle" China and China was choking at that time.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I said he was partly responsible for the civil war,I didn't support KMT,which is worse than CCP in every field,if we didn't have a revolution from the beginning of 20th century,the situation would be better,I always think reform is better than revolution

He lived from a different period, so we cannot fully judge him for what he has done in that particular period.

China desperately needed to be industrialized during that period. Thus, the sacrifice was inevitable, nobody had a choice.

i think, the mongols and chinese were one community. russia has the largest landmass. china is giving whatever support it can to russia. a friend in need is a friend indeed. china doesn't need to prove how much it is supportive of russia. russia knows it well. now, russia got crimea. russia is getting novorossiya. russia will soon get her former soviet glory. i don't think, there should be any buffer region between russia and china because they are not foes, they are friends. why should there be any mongolia between china and russia? direct people to people contact between russia and china is the need of the hour. there shouldn't be any gap between friends. russia and china should get as much closer as they can. its a historical fact that mongolia was a part of chinese civilization. i think, russia should be generous enough to give something back to china. china was a victim of european colonization, particularly of british. you should see today's china in that light. russia should trust china as much as china trusts russia. there should be reciprocation.

Yeah, most ethnic Mongols now are Chinese citizens, and they want Mongolia to re-become a part of China.

 

[sahaliyan]

The problem was that Soviet collapsed too early. 1991-2001 was the hardest decade for China, there were no Soviet or terrorism, the US was able to spare no effort to "handle" China and China was choking at that time.

Still we developed fast in 1990-2000s,and became totoally market economy,joined WTO,fully became part of world economy

i think, the mongols and chinese were one community. russia has the largest landmass. china is giving whatever support it can to russia. a friend in need is a friend indeed. china doesn't need to prove how much it is supportive of russia. russia knows it well. now, russia got crimea. russia is getting novorossiya. russia will soon get her former soviet glory. i don't think, there should be any buffer region between russia and china because they are not foes, they are friends. why should there be any mongolia between china and russia? direct people to people contact between russia and china is the need of the hour. there shouldn't be any gap between friends. russia and china should get as much closer as they can. its a historical fact that mongolia was a part of chinese civilization. i think, russia should be generous enough to give something back to china. china was a victim of european colonization, particularly of british. you should see today's china in that light. russia should trust china as much as china trusts russia. there should be reciprocation.

The citizens of Mongolia want remain independent,we should respect their choice,Mongolia is an independent country recognize by international community

 

[Europa]

Yeah, most ethnic Mongols now are Chinese citizens, and they want Mongolia to re-become a part of China.

indeed, monoglia unnecessarily divides two fantastic civilizations. from geopolitical point of view, i don't find any point having mongolia a landlocked backward steppe. mongolia should be vibrant and progressive, part of russo-chinese east asian vision, and for that mongolia should come under direct administrative management of china. there should be more russian presence in china. hopefully, both russia and china will make a good example of co-existential humanity.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Still we developed fast in 1990-2000s,and became totoally market economy,joined WTO,fully became part of world economy


The citizens of Mongolia want remain independent,we should respect their choice,Mongolia is an independent country recognize by international community

Yeah, 7 million Outer Mongolians vs 24 million Inner Mongolians.

The Inner Mongolians are the direct descendants of Genghis Khan, and they have more right to claim Mongolia.

 

[sahaliyan]

Yeah, 7 million Outer Mongolians vs 24 million Inner Mongolians.

The Inner Mongolians are the direct descendants of Genghis Khan, and they have more right to claim Mongolia.

Dude,international law is no joke,we are part of UN and this world system,also the Russians will deadly against this idea(I think you know who broken out Mongolia from China)

 

[Aepsilons]

@vostok ,

Can you enlighten us about the Republik of Buryatia of the Russian Federation ? I know that the people there are Mongolian in descent and speak Mongolian. Are there any wishe within the Buryat community to claim Mongolia ? What do you think of a Mongolian union with China ? How do you think this would be interpreted by Russia's own Mongolian population ?

Spasebo! Das vedanya.

Dude,international law is no joke,we are part of UN and this world system,also the Russians will deadly against this idea(I think you know who broken out Mongolia from China)

Very realistic and pragmatic of you. I admire the Manchu mentality, very pragmatic, and perceptive.

 

[Europa]

there should be reciprocation. one can't just take everything.

The citizens of Mongolia want remain independent,we should respect their choice,Mongolia is an independent country recognize by international community

man...!!! what's your problem, bro?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Dude,international law is no joke,we are part of UN and this world system,also the Russians will deadly against this idea(I think you know who broken out Mongolia from China)

Russia needs to first take back their former Soviet republics, no time to concern about Mongolia. As Europa suggested, we should make a deal with them, we support them to restore USSR, while they should not interfere our reunification with Mongolia.

 

[Aepsilons]

there should be reciprocation. one can't just take everything.

There would be an issue, in my opinion. North of Mongolia is the Russian Federation's Republic of Boryatia, inhabited by Mongols. The people there are rather nationalistic and have very cautious views regarding the Chinese. So long as Russia has vested interest, Mongolia will remain independent.

 

[Europa]

There would be an issue, in my opinion. North of Mongolia is the Russian Federation's Republic of Boryatia, inhabited by Mongols. The people there are rather nationalistic and have very cautious views regarding the Chinese. So long as Russia has vested interest, Mongolia will remain independent.

well, those issues are minor compared to the larger geopolitical game everyone is playing. they will be resolved. but russia has to made a decision. russia and china are partners, anything, they get, they will share it with each other. for example, if russia and china conquer north america, should russia or china consume the whole of it without sharing?

 

[Aepsilons]

man...!!! what's your problem, bro?

There's nothing wrong with his view, in fact, he's actually being realistic. It serves both the interest of Russia and the Chinese to maintain a neutral border, Mongolia serves this purpose. Mongolians have their own unique identity, that is foreign to Han culture as well as Russian culture.

 

[tonyget]

Yeah, 7 million Outer Mongolians vs 24 million Inner Mongolians.

The Inner Mongolians are the direct descendants of Genghis Khan, and they have more right to claim Mongolia.

There was no such thing as "Inner Mongolia", it was Mao's creation based upon Lenin's "autonomy of minority" idea.

There were Rehe/Chahar/Suiyuan provinces, there was no more Mongolias inside China after losing outer Mongolia.