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Russia Close to a Massive Deal to Supply 5th Generation Fighters to India
India is close to signing on to a $35 billion deal to buy 154 Russian-made PAK FA T-50 fighters - some of which would be assembled in India





A collaboration contract for joint work and delivery of 154 Perspective Multirole Fighter (PMF), the derivative Indian version of the PAK FA T-50 fifth generation fighter jet, is expected to finally be signed during the Indo-Russian summit this December, The Financial Express reports.

The agreement, which already was supposed to have been signed this July, includes a fixed order of 154 aircraft, a definite work share commitment, and a detailed order of the number of single- versus double-seat PMF (aka Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft) fighter planes. According to the draft agreement, the aircraft will be built in India, but all of the components will be manufactured in Russia.

Additionally, the contract will likely include specifications regarding the 40 changes that the Indian Air Force (IAF) wants in comparison to the current T-50 prototype such as the aircraft’s AL-41F1 engine and its stealth and weapon-carrying capability.

As I reported previously (See: “What’s the Status of the Indian-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Jet?”), in early 2007 India and Russia agreed to jointly develop a fifth generation fighter jet. Unfortunately, the program has been plagued by delays, cost overruns, and unsteady technology; which, among other things, has affected the IAF’s plan to increase the number of combat squadrons from currently 32 (some sources say 35) to 42 by 2027 (See: “India’s Air Force Will Field 42 Combat Squadrons by 2027”).

As a result, according to a senior official in the Indian Ministry of Defense quoted by The Financial Express, the Indian government might need to reevaluate its negotiation position vis-à-vis Russia when it comes to details of the contract:




Given the current situation, where the Indian Air Force (IAF) is in deep trouble due to its fast depleting force structure, the Indian government will need to take well thought out decision with long-term and strategic foresight. There is no doubt that the PAK-FA (Sukhoi Design Proposal) will be emerge as a major FGFA in the world. Hence, it would be better for India to take a reality check on the FGFA and recalibrate its position.

Speaking to The Financial Express, retired Air Marshall M. Matheswaran provided some additional background info on the FGFA program:

The origins of FGFA proposals go back to 2002, when it was suggested by the Russians for an inter-governmental program. Given the urgency of its requirement for the badly-depleted Russian Air Force and the need for financial investment to cover the huge cost of the program, Russia hoped to address it through India as its partner. Besides, a huge order from the IAF would retain continuity in India-Russia military aircraft production relationship and help the Russian aircraft industry.

In the meantime, many things have happened. The IAF has downsized its requirement to just 64 aircraft as off-the shelf buy. Discussions on costs and role in non-existent design and development have resulted in a messy situation. The defense minister will have a tough call to make.

The Russian Air Force is slated to receive its first batch of PAK FA T-50 fifth generation fighter jets by late 2016 or early 2017. However, the current head of the Indian Air Force, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, is not counting on the successful completion of the Indo-Russian project:

If the FGFA comes through it is fine, otherwise the Indian FGFA — that is the AMCA, the advanced medium combat aircraft — we still have over 15 years to work on it before the MiG-29 upgraded aircraft retire, before the Mirage 2000 upgraded ones retire, as well as Jaguar upgraded ones retire in another 15 years.

Both countries have already invested around $230 million into the program. If the $35 billion deal is signed, it would be one of India’s most expensive defense procurement programs ever.
 
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News of no more MKI's looks like aiming for freeing the production line for these to be build there. Continuation of the cycle of producing is important.
Hope am right.
 
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Another proof that india can't build its own.
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Won't believe untill an official admission from IAF comes.

Everything about FGFA at present is all speculation.
 
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but all of the components will be manufactured in Russia.
So Russian spoofing by offering Su-35 fighters to Pakistan worked and india buckled by committing into the FGFA deal more favorable to the Russians .
 
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So Russian spoofing by offering Su-35 fighters to Pakistan worked and india buckled by committing into the FGFA deal more favorable to the Russians .
No dude we are just inviting pakistan for a massive arms race. Tactical nuclear ranting will go even higher now. Pakistan better accept american nuke deal and save their flagging economy.
 
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No dude we are just inviting pakistan for a massive arms race. Tactical nuclear ranting will go even higher now. Pakistan better accept american nuke deal and save their flagging economy.
You better do a little soul searching and figure out how a "Made in India" touted Project turned out to be "Supply from Russia"
Thanks for the free advice.
 
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You do a little soul searching and figure out how a "Made in India" touted Project turned out to be "Supply from Russia"
Thanks for the free advice.

Better make yourself more aware.And do gain knowledge before talking about something.
 
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News of no more MKI's looks like aiming for freeing the production line for these to be build there. Continuation of the cycle of producing is important.
Hope am right.

Additional procurement of Sukois MKI or 35 is officially dead with a slight life line hanging out. Question would had been why to buy 4 gen Sukois when PakFa of Russian variants are available. Which can be later upgraded unto FGFA standards with 40 improvements over it.

Very applaud able move. Much needed Boost against Chinese J20s series. It will take many years for China to field a fifth generation aircraft with these massive capabilites and numbers against Indians. . . Performance of PakFa itself is unmatched in its league. Not sure about American F22 anyways we have nothing to worry about US atleast for the next decade or so.

Hope AMCA is been pushed with massive PMO and FM support to free up funds required. Hope we don't stick to our old Cheaper ad possible mindset to Best in the world fighter mindset.

Jai Mata di

Another proof that india can't build its own.

LOL haramse bhai.... Am bringing itch guard cream. Don't applied just such it fully :lol::blah::lol:

Another proof that india can't build its own.

LOL haramse bhai.... Am bringing itch guard cream. Don't applied just such it fully :lol::blah::lol:

Another proof that india can't build its own.

LOL haramse bhai.... Am bringing itch guard cream. Don't applied just such it fully :lol::blah::lol:
 
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Haha, I won't hold my breath.

Very applaud able move. Much needed Boost against Chinese J20s series. It will take many years for China to field a fifth generation aircraft with these massive capabilites and numbers against Indians. . . Performance of PakFa itself is unmatched in its league. Not sure about American F22 anyways we have nothing to worry about US atleast for the next decade or so.
To be honest the J-20 is still quite some way from entering service and there is a considerable question mark over tis performance, personally I am pretty confident in the IAF's Rafales and MKIs (Super and MLU'd) giving it a serious run for its money until at least 2030.

Hope AMCA is been pushed with massive PMO and FM support to free up funds required. Hope we don't stick to our old Cheaper ad possible mindset to Best in the world fighter mindset.

If you follow that project you will see the MoD has created a serious amount of momentum in the project with some very ambitious timelines being handed to the ADA team. It is certainly one of those projects the MoD and PMO were reported to be monitoring on a monthly basis.
 
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