Russia and Iran hesitate over co-operation as west warns of costs

[Stryker1982]

Considering what has happened on Russia soil especially those deep strikes on their strategic bases with their drones and other weaponry, not surprised they feared ATACMS. Already having problems dealing with GLMRS.

I get that, although US may force Ukraine to not use them within Russian territory which may or may not be honored. Not sure what to say if they are not very confident with their systems in dealing with it.

 

[Oldman1]

I get that, although US may force Ukraine to not use them within Russian territory which may or may not be honored. Not sure what to say if they are not very confident with their systems in dealing with it.

Not about using them on Russian territory, depending their view of how they treat Crimea and other occupied territories. U.S. already says Crimea is fair game anyways. But just having ATACMS will give Russians problems already with their logistics far beyond HIMARs range. With longer range weapon, their logistics in all of Ukraine will be hit. That's a big problem! And I haven't mentioned like bases in Crimea and others far beyond HIMARs range as well.

 

[Stryker1982]

Problem is that it failed to do the job which is pushing Ukraine to surrender by winter forcing the population to pressure Zelensky. Considering the Ukrainians have adapt with generators even solar panels to provide electricity and able to get through the winter, and future winters, Putin failed on this one.

I think in terms of achieving a specific goal, which is to degrade the ability of the UKR gov and military to function. it's had an effect, since their are large economic costs that are pushed onto EU & US that subsidize the state, and efficiency costs to having a battered grid. But the strategic end goal of a unconditional surrender, yes has failed.

That is not to say, that their has been no impact from this decision to attack the energy grid, which could resume later.

Not about using them on Russian territory, depending their view of how they treat Crimea and other occupied territories. U.S. already says Crimea is fair game anyways. But just having ATACMS will give Russians problems already with their logistics far beyond HIMARs range. With longer range weapon, their logistics in all of Ukraine will be hit. That's a big problem! And I haven't mentioned like bases in Crimea and others far beyond HIMARs range as well.

If Crimea is fair game, then a long range missile with NATO intel could be quite dangerous, but again. They should technically have the systems needed to deal with a ballistic trajectory weapon of this range class. If they are afraid of it to avoid replenishing their stocks of ballistic missiles then that is a serious problem in the confidence they have of their systems.

 

[Oldman1]

I think in terms of achieving a specific goal, which is to degrade the ability of the UKR gov and military to function. it's had an effect, since their are large economic costs that are pushed onto EU & US that subsidize the state, and efficiency costs to having a battered grid. But the strategic end goal of a unconditional surrender, yes has failed.

That is not to say, that their has been no impact from this decision to attack the energy grid, which could resume later.

They could keep firing at the electric grid, but it doesn't really do anything now since the Ukrainians have adapted to the situation and it really doesn't affect their military and government since Zelensky is able to communicate to manage the government for many months since all these missile strikes.

If Crimea is fair game, then a long range missile with NATO intel could be quite dangerous, but again. They should technically have the systems needed to deal with a ballistic trajectory weapon of this range class. If they are afraid of it to avoid replenishing their stocks of ballistic missiles then that is a serious problem in the confidence they have of their systems.

Common misconception about the ATACMS. It doesn't really function as just a ballistic missile.

 

[Stryker1982]

They could keep firing at the electric grid, but it doesn't really do anything now since the Ukrainians have adapted to the situation and it really doesn't affect their military and government since Zelensky is able to communicate to manage the government for many months since all these missile strikes.

Common misconception about the ATACMS. It doesn't really function as just a ballistic missile.

Fascinating. I was under the impression it was just a simple lofted trajectory. I can see the problem now. You'd basically have to fire 2-4 SAMs for every ATCAMs fired to ensure high rate of interception. Not really sustainable. Acts alot like the MaRVs Iran uses.

 

[Oldman1]

Fascinating. I was under the impression it was just a simple lofted trajectory. I can see the problem now. You'd basically have to fire 2-4 SAMs for every ATCAMs fired to ensure high rate of interception. Not really sustainable. Acts alot like the MaRVs Iran uses.

Wish we had a Pershing successor like Pershing 3 or maybe even 4 version. Pershing missiles were the first to use MARVs.