Russia and Iran hesitate over co-operation as west warns of costs

[F-22Raptor]

Russia has hesitated to buy ballistic missiles from Iran out of concern that Ukraine’s allies would in response supply Kyiv with long-range rockets, according to assessments by western officials.

Iran has sent hundreds of armed drones to Russia that have been used to attack Ukrainian critical infrastructure. Western capitals believe Tehran is open to further military co-operation with Moscow.
But despite pressures on its own supplies, Russia has held back from purchases of Iran’s long-range ballistic missiles, which fly faster than the speed of sound and have larger explosive payloads.

One significant factor, according to assessments in Nato countries, has been the threat of the US providing Kyiv with the long-sought ATACMS missile system, whose 300km range could reach deep into Russian held territory.

Russia and Iran hesitate over co-operation as west warns of costs

Moscow held off buying Iranian missiles over fears Ukraine would receive long-range rockets, say officials

www.ft.com

 

[INS_Vikrant]

Why does Russia needs Ballistic Missiles from Iran?

 

[F-22Raptor]

Why does Russia needs Ballistic Missiles from Iran?

Because Russias stocks of ballistic and cruise missiles are incredibly low. Their use of ballistic missiles is almost nonexistent over the last 6+ months.

 

[chinasun]

Russia can also buy North Korea's supersonic guide. But take your time. Don't scare the West. If you just want to cook a live frog, you need to control the heat.

 

[Dalit]

LOL what hesitation and cost? Isn't the Western bloc already doing maximum damage to Russia and Iran?

Why does Russia needs Ballistic Missiles from Iran?

You keep asking this question over and over. You already know the answer.

 

[Muhammed45]

Why does Russia needs Ballistic Missiles from Iran?

Because of an old agreement with American backstabbers. Russia stayed loyal to Soviet era agreement and own signature but USA never honored it.

I would suggest Russians with this one to neutralize western provided air defense systems

Tens of this ballistic missiles type can smell every radar installation wavelength in Ukraine and destroy it.

Russia can also buy North Korea's supersonic guide. But take your time. Don't scare the West. If you just want to cook a live frog, you need to control the heat.

Those are Chinese missiles with NK label on them.

 

[vizier]

Last time after zelensky showed the Geran wreckege they tried to connect it to Iran. Later on there were mini-drone attacks and even Ukraine claimed involvement against Iran. Also many cheered here shouting it was a just response against Iran's involvement and wanted further action against Iran. It was a move to escalate the conflict and drive Iran into the conflict directly.

Geran issue seems to be cooled by now but there are aims to drive Iran into an armed conflict after accusing Iran's involvement and claiming Ukraines status as a defending country and claiming action against Iran as a defensive measure for Ukraine to fit Un. We all saw the discussions here. This can be done by using proxies with further drone attacks or involving some proxy country and after Iran responds back maybe some other countries can jump into the conflict to make the conflict worldwide. Primary aim should be to keep the conflict within where it is now and support a peaceful solution like the Chinese initiative to solve the issue within those boundries.

They will try making up new connections with Russian ballistic missiles and Iran's and then they can start shouting again and involve Iran more into the conflict directly. For example if Russia uses some missile looking like Fateh-110 ballistic missile and attacks western regions like Kiev with some photos or videos of the missile launch they will make connections with Iran and start this plan to involve Iran directly into the line of fire. If the missile is box/tube launched and only used in eastern Ukraine targets selectively then it is more difficult to claim Iran's involvement but still it is a possibility and Russia does not need srbm so much. Using Geran extensively in western Ukraine gave them excuses to search its insides to prove Iran's ivolvement even if it was branded and produced in Russia. This tactical mistake should not be repeated again. They may need conventional mrbm-irbm to take out main bridges over Dnieper but these can secretly be transferred from NK or China as well since there is huge land border between these countries and it can be kept secret more effectively than air deliveries which are recorded by Us spy satellites 24/7.

Russia can use its airforce effectively and glide bombs-glonass-laser guidance to take out ammo depots and strategic sites in eastern Ukraine. Since these are high altitude released weapons planes need to take out first Ukraines radars and sam sites. (Sa-3 , Osa and western variants like Nasams) in the east by longer range anti radiation missiles before getting close and releasing these bombs from high altitudes like 10-15 km and ranges like 20-30km being protected from Ukrainian shorad and manpads. This is within Russian capabilities. After the radars are taken out in a region a Su-25 with minimum modification can deliver high altitude glonass bombs. Laser designator is not necessary on the plane for static targets that ballistic missiles also aim for.

 

[mohsen]

lol

Americans spread the lie themselves (Iran selling BM to Russia), and when that lie doesn't come true, then they spread another lie (hesitation in relations) to justify the first lie!!!

 

[TheImmortal]

Russian has some of the most potent air defense systems in the world in TOR, BUK, S-400, S-500, etc. why would it be scared of a 300KM range missile?

Saudi Arabia has been absorbing Houthi’s BM/CM strikes for years and still survive. Seems like an excuse and speculation.

The fact of the matter is BMs are useful against static military targets (airbases, critical infrastructure, supply bases, barracks, etc). They won’t change the reality on the ground in the trenches. That’s the reality Russia needs to change and to do that means more manpower.

 

[Stryker1982]

Because Russias stocks of ballistic and cruise missiles are incredibly low. Their use of ballistic missiles is almost nonexistent over the last 6+ months.

It's not non-existent, I dunno where you've been with all those infrastructure strikes they've been doing for months every week, with Ukraine saying they intercept dozens at a time. Their use is occasional now, but numbers and usage are obviously lower then the initial phase and will dwindle.

You keep asking this question over and over. You already know the answer.

Seems like a troll, the answer should be pretty obvious.

 

[Stryker1982]

Russia has hesitated to buy ballistic missiles from Iran out of concern that Ukraine’s allies would in response supply Kyiv with long-range rockets, according to assessments by western officials.

Iran has sent hundreds of armed drones to Russia that have been used to attack Ukrainian critical infrastructure. Western capitals believe Tehran is open to further military co-operation with Moscow.
But despite pressures on its own supplies, Russia has held back from purchases of Iran’s long-range ballistic missiles, which fly faster than the speed of sound and have larger explosive payloads.

One significant factor, according to assessments in Nato countries, has been the threat of the US providing Kyiv with the long-sought ATACMS missile system, whose 300km range could reach deep into Russian held territory.

Russia and Iran hesitate over co-operation as west warns of costs

Moscow held off buying Iranian missiles over fears Ukraine would receive long-range rockets, say officials

www.ft.com

Imho, if this is true reason why Russia won't want to aquire additional missiles from Iran. Kind of a bi*tch move on their part.

All those AD systems for what if they can't handle simple ballistic trajectory short range missiles.

 

[F-22Raptor]

It's not non-existent, I dunno where you've been with all those infrastructure strikes they've been doing for months every week, with Ukraine saying they intercept dozens at a time. Their use is occasional now, but numbers and usage are obviously lower then the initial phase and will dwindle.


Seems like a troll, the answer should be pretty obvious.

Ballistic missile use has been near nonexistent for months now. Cruise missile use has dwindled with longer and longer gaps between significant volleys.

Russian strategy of attacking Ukraine energy infrastructure has been a huge failure.

If this war lasts another 3 years with current loss rates, the Russian military will be completely decimated. The US is headed for a massive strategic victory over one of its top 2 military rivals.

 

[Oldman1]

Because of an old agreement with American backstabbers. Russia stayed loyal to Soviet era agreement and own signature but USA never honored it.

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I would suggest Russians with this one to neutralize western provided air defense systems

Tens of this ballistic missiles type can smell every radar installation wavelength in Ukraine and destroy it.

Those are Chinese missiles with NK label on them.

Wrong, the Russians violated the INF Treaty by developing a ground based cruise missile on the Iskander that was beyond the limits of the range. The U.S. government detected it.

Imho, if this is true reason why Russia won't want to aquire additional missiles from Iran. Kind of a bi*tch move on their part.

All those AD systems for what if they can't handle simple ballistic trajectory short range missiles.

Considering what has happened on Russia soil especially those deep strikes on their strategic bases with their drones and other weaponry, not surprised they feared ATACMS. Already having problems dealing with GLMRS.

 

[Stryker1982]

Ballistic missile use has been near nonexistent for months now. Cruise missile use has dwindled with longer and longer gaps between significant volleys.

Mmmm, indeed BM use has been low. CM use is the main usage. Fair point

Russian strategy of attacking Ukraine energy infrastructure has been a huge failure.

Half of Ukraine's power generation is destroyed, It lost Zaporizhzhia N power plant which generated 20% of Ukraine's total energy system before the war. I don't know how you trick yourself into thinking nothing has happened. The country is fortunately, operating on generators donated from other nations. This does not mean it has a stable system nor have 24 service. Will cost alot to repair in future.

If this war lasts another 3 years with current loss rates, the Russian military will be completely decimated. The US is headed for a massive strategic victory over one of its top 2 military rivals.

Indeed, war by proxy is already somewhat a success even if the war stopped today let alone 3 more years.

 

[Oldman1]

Half of Ukraine's power generation is destroyed, It lost Zaporizhzhia N power plant which generated 20% of Ukraine's total energy system before the war. I don't know how you trick yourself into thinking nothing has happened. The country is fortunately, operating on generators donated from other nations. This does not mean it has a stable system nor have 24 service. Will cost alot to repair in future.

Problem is that it failed to do the job which is pushing Ukraine to surrender by winter forcing the population to pressure Zelensky. Considering the Ukrainians have adapt with generators even solar panels to provide electricity and able to get through the winter, and future winters, Putin failed on this one.